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The table under the Sales by Country section has percentages for each country of the total worldwide sales...They're all wrong. I don't know how they were calculated but they all appear to be wrong. Someone with more time than me will have to sort that (I'm semi-retired).
Thanks ツ Jenova20(email)13:58, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not only that, it hasn't been updated since 2018 or something and the electric car landscape has changed vastly in the meanwhile. Somewhere in the article it says that the Model S is the second best selling electric car when in fact the Model 3 and Y have eclipsed it long ago. dllu(t,c)07:20, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For example, here are the sales figures for the third quarter: [1] and it is straightforward to find the figures for every quarter prior to then. Since I work at Tesla, I have a conflict of interest so I will abstain from editing the article directly; however, in the upcoming days, if I have time, I can write some draft sections and suggest them with {{request edit}}. dllu(t,c)22:46, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is rare for us to mention custom (ie non-factory) modifications on any car article. If we did, each article would have a near-endless list of modifications possible to the body, engine, brakes, suspension, etc. The particular modifications are often limited in geographical location and the time period they are offered for, so they are of limited use to the majority of readers. So we restrict ourselves to factory offerings. Stepho talk11:27, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The version section is an absolute mess. Some versions get a long text, some don't, some references are made to models that aren't describbed ("The 70D replaced the 60, 60D, and P85", with no 60D ever mentioned), one of the images mentions a P85+, which isn't talked about anywhere...
I suggest that the section is replaced by a table like this (values are from https://blog.clutch.ca/posts/understanding-the-different-tesla-model-s-versions , to be checked before the table is added, maybe data from ev-database.org):
Versions of the Model S - the number in the name relates to the battery vapacity in kWh, "P" indicate a Performance version, and "D" an AWD version.
Version
Build period
motor specification
range
Notes
40
2013-2013
Back 235hp and 317lb-ft
224km (NRCAN)
Very small production run
60
2013-2019
Back 302hp and 317lb-ft
335km (NRCAN)
motor updated to 315hp in 2015
85
2013-2016
Back 362hp and 325lb-ft
426km (NRCAN)
motor updated to 380hp in 2015
Performace (85)
2013-2014
Back 416hp and 443lb-ft
426km (NRCAN)
motor updated to 380hp in 2015, its that the P85+?
90
2015-2016
Back 362hp and 325lb-ft
426km (NRCAN)
First with option for AutoPilot
70D
2015-2016
Back 328p and ???lb-ft, front ??
386km (NRCAN)
First AWD version
85D
2015-2016
Back 376hp and ???lb-ft
435km (NRCAN)
P85D
2015-2016
Combined 691hp and ???lb-ft
407km (NRCAN)
P90D
2015-2017
Combined 691hp and ???lb-ft
426km (NRCAN)
range up to 435km in 2016+ models
Facelift from black nose cone to the new body coloured facia
Your scheme looks fine in general. Thinking about international readers and readers not well versed in car stuff, some details to change are:
What does "NRCAN" mean? A link would be good.
Values and symbols should have a space between them - see WP:CARUNITS and WP:UNITS.
Those "hp" and "lb-ft" look suspiciously like power and torque figures but in ancient units used by our grandfathers - see WP:CARUNITS and WP:UNITS.
"??" values should be left blank.
"Abbandon of (P)kWh(D) naming scheme", misspelling of "abandon". Perhaps replace with "After (P)xx(D) naming scheme abandoned".
Are those calendar years or model years? Non-Americans mostly use calendar years and do not understand US style model years. Americans assume model years unless told different.
I put NRCAN values here (the canadian authority for car stuff, I assume), but maybe having the US and EU standards listed (as well?) would be best. It is rather tricky to source the data for all models.
Good point for units
I agree that kW and N⋅m are the better units, but the car industry still mostly communicates in hp and lb-ft. I would convert the values before publishing the table as well.
Yes, I was hoping for other users to chime in before the table makes it to the page
ok
These are production years. Tesla doesn't use the odd American "model year" concept, as far as I know.
Somehow, nearly every section has to stay from factual and balanced data into negative and misleading coverage territory. It is true that media coverage of Tesla vehicles has always had that sort of cognitive dissonance and that Wackopedia likes to rely on (selected) mass media for its plagi^H quotes but I wonder if that is the only reason.
It makes for very distracting reading when one comes here looking for cold, hard facts (don't be childish and try to argue that 'piece of bullshit X' is a cold hard fact, if you're of sound mind you know exactly what I mean). 37.188.184.244 (talk) 15:39, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Confused here. The article is 100% cited via reliable sources. It’s a comprehensive article, so i have no idea what you’re talking about. 750h+23:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Or to put it another way, point out a couple of concrete examples of where we got it wrong. Once we know what the issue is then we can see if it is a systematic problem throughout the article.
Agreed. Talk pages are for talking about improving the article, you're not helping anyone, including yourself, by simply ranting about how bad the article is. This 6,000 word article has nearly 300 citations from reliable sources per sources that are reliable per numerous discussions, as well as many prominent automotive sources like Car and Driver and Road & Track. By far this is most likely the most comprehensive article/source on the Tesla Model S. 750h+02:51, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article says "critics have called the Model S one of the most significant and influential electric cars in the industry." with no citation or elaboration as to who these "critics" are, and where these declarations have been made.
I attempted to put a "citation needed" tag on it with an explanation, but it was quickly reverted. How can this statement be left hanging in the article with nothing to support it? As it stands, it is either an outsourced claim, or the personal opinion of an editor. Neither belong. Hugzz (talk) 03:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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