Talk:Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles/Archive 1

Archive 1

Kawabunga!

How to spell that correctly?

Cowabunga.

OOBAHORU Shimashou! (Let's Do an Overhaul!)

A suggestion

Maybe we should divide this into separate pages, for example, one for the comic, one for the 1987 cartoon, and one for the movies. We could have a small paragraph on each of these, and a link to the corresponding article. It would remove some of the clutter from the main page,and allow us to focus on more general TMNT info. If no one objects, I can do this in the next week or so, when I get some time. --Ntg

As this page is now a candidate for feature, and the consensus so far is against because of the formatting and style, I'm trying to edit the article to be more coherent. I've come up with the following questions:

• -What is the history of the first cartoon? More specifically, how did a comic aimed (it seems) at the teen-age/young adult audience get picked up to be a saturday morning cartoon?

• -"Krang: A disembodied alien brain within the Technodrome, which was Shredder and Krang's giant mobile fortress, that could go anywhere."

Can someone clarify if it was Krang or the fortress that could go anywhere?

Krang's fortress -- the "Technodrome" -- can go anywhere. sugarfish 04:29, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• -"Shredder: The arch-villain, born Oroku Saki. According to the original TMNT comic book by Mirage Studios, he turned evil trying to avenge the death of his brother Oroku Nagi."

See arthistoryclub.com for plenty of good historical source data. sugarfish 04:29, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Is this his origin in the cartoon as well?

• -Is it "Shredder" or "The Shredder"? I seem to remember him being called both.

It's just "Shredder". sugarfish 04:29, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• -"The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have also appeared as guest stars in the Usagi Yojimbo manga (book 3 and others), summoned to the Edo period of Japan by magic."

Usagi Yojimbo is NOT a manga, but an American comic or graphic novel. It's creator, Stan Sakai, grew up in Hawaii and I believe now resides in California. The comic reads left to right, just like all other American comics. Manga, in their Japanese langauge format, traditionally read from right to left, and are, of course, from Japan. Cartoonist Will 08:40, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Which version Turtles? Comic or 1987 cartoon?

I'm pretty sure it's the Mirage comics version of the turtles. Azure

• - (from the new cartoon section) "Peter Laird introduced radical new origins for The Shredder, making him a renegade alien..."

Did Peter Laird work on the new cartoon? If so, this should definitely be mentioned. And did he introduce this in the cartoon or comic first? It should probably be moved to the section it debuted in.

Peter Laird helps with the writing on the show. He works with the writers, giving them ideas or story arcs that he'd like to see included in episodes. The idea of Shredder being a renegade alien was introduced in the cartoon, and this idea has never been introduced in the comics. In fact, Oroku Saki is dead in the current series. Azure

• -"Several games were made for the NES/Famicom, Game Boy, Mega Drive/Genesis, Super NES/Super Famicom, and others."

The official website, www.ninjaturtles.com, has a listing of all the videogames released. Azure

We need to list these. Also, this section still needs calrification; sorry.

• The second half of the video game section needs more details, names of games, etc. (sorry, I'm running out of steam here)

• We definitely need info on the movies.

• " Contrary to everything following, the original origin story in the comics has Oruku Nagi (the older brother of Oroko Saki) as Hamato Yoshi's rival, and the Shredder's amnity towards Yoshi and Splinter consists only of revenge for his older brother, having no previous relationship to Yoshi. Originally, Yoshi killed Nagi to protect Tang Shen. This was probably considered to be a needless complication to the story, and all modern versions of the story leave him out, his role is filled by Saki instead. Tang Shen was omitted in the 1987 cartoon version of the origin story."

I have no idea how to fit this in.

• I moved a lot of the "other information" into the category it applies to, and made a new category called "Differences between teh versions"; however, since most of the content of this section is redundant and can be inferred from the relevant sections, I don't know if we should keep it.

--Ntg

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Wasn't April a TV journalist? (Maybe -- April would know, hee hee.) User:Ed Poor

April O'Neil was a TV journalist. sugarfish 04:29, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

With Channel 6, IIRC. --Robert Merkel

michaelangelo has an orange mask not a red one.(tito)

In the original Mirage comics, all four turtles wore red masks. Azure 22:11, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

Origin of the Name

I seem to remember a sarcastic remark by a critic of television who said, "They [tv producers] could make a show about teenage mutant ninja turtles and somebody would watch it." I cannot, however, find the quote. I have used Google with about 30 variations of Advanced Search, all to no avail.

I am 60 years old so commercial TV's history matches my own. If anyone remembers the quote, please send me something after un-munging my email address, below. Thanks.

John Markham markhamjf [the-at-sign] cox [dot] net

I recall Peter Laird and Kevin Eastmen explaining that they came up with the name while joking around with drawings of a goofy, normal turtle with a nunchuku or other weapon strapped/duct taped it its arm. One of them, if I remember correctly, blurted it out as a joke, but the idea caught on as they continued doodling the concept. Cartoonist Will 09:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Eastman, Kevin. Kevin Eastman's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Artobiography (1st Edition ed.). NY, USA: Heavy Metal. p. 9. ISBN 1-882931-85-8. It was there in Dover, New Hampshire after some late night joking around, the first finished sketch of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles evolved. {{cite book}}: |edition= has extra text (help); Cite has empty unknown parameters: |accessyear=, |accessmonth=, |month=, |chapterurl=, |origdate=, and |coauthors= (help); Unknown parameter |origmonth= ignored (help) If my reading of the book is correct that could be 1981, but it's not clear (it refers to summer 1980 and then "after another summer" --Jczorkmid 13:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

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Was it "Hero" everywhere in Europe? I know it was in the UK, but I can recall seeing some subtitled episodes of the show on foreign TV channels (probably originating from either Germany or Benelux) and I'm sure they went for "Ninja". Timrollpickering 12:27, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

I happen to be Finnish and watched the show when I was a kid, and it was definitely "ninja" there. Plus I remember reading about turtle censorship in the UK and in the UK only. Changed the censorship part. By the way, could someone who knows it better mention the TMNT RPG system? --Kizor 09:25, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

In Sweden it was "Hero". The UK-version of the cartoon was dubbed and consequently the censorship came along. The comic, video games, action figures and all merchandise were also "Hero". Masken 18:08, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

It was not only "Hero" and censorship in Sweden. Some episodes from the 1987 TMNT cartoon were released on video in Sweden, with the title "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" and without censorship. They also had other Swedish voices on video than on TV. But TV 3 and TV 1000 used the censorship. I believe it was because thoose TV channels broadcasted from the UK.

In Germany it used to be "Hero" as well the first times the series was aired. But recently they changed it to "Ninja". (With the word "Ninja" awkwardly displayed over the former "Teenage Mutant Hero".) I suppose the television station RTL2 changed the title since they are known to do this to several other films, too. The new series is called "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" since its broadcasting began.

I'd just like to say that this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read: The lyrics were also changed, such as changing "Splinter taught them to be ninja teens" to "Splinter taught them to be fighting teens." One would think that "fighting" would have more negative connotations than "ninja."

Katakana

As TMNT is an American franchise, I don't see why the Katakana is needed. ((Katakana: ティーンエイジ・ミュータント・ニンジャ・タートルズ) ) WhisperToMe 04:53, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

however, wouldn't it (especially the original, dark comics) make a GREAT manga/anime?

It is an anime and manga. It was produced as such, in Japan, in the mid '90's. The S 04:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes. "Super Man Legends: Super Turtles," right? I have two of the episodes. Not sure if there were any more. I think what the guy who posted second means is that if the original comic were created in Japan as a manga or anime. I guess that would take the series on a totally course, though, since Americans made it in reality, and not Japanese men (I guess it is possible for non-Japanese people to create true anime and manga, but you know what I mean). Cartoonist Will 08:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Movie?

Shouldn't there be something more than an IMDb link about the 1990 movie?

The Newt Gingrich Story is Relevant

Newt Gingrich's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle speech did have an effect on early 1990s conservative political activism in the United States.

As you will plainly see, I am very specific in identifying the specific speech. (Gingrich might have used the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle speech at other venues as well.)

If you want to confirm it, feel free to contact C.P.A.C. c/o the American Conservative Union (www.conservative.org - in Alexandria, Virginia) or the Office of Speaker Newt Gingrich (www.newt.org - in Atlanta, Georgia).

If the Teletubbies page has a relevant historical reference to Jerry Falwell, then shouldn't the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles page have a relevant historical reference to Newt Gingrich?

• If the "Turtles speech" really did have an impact on political activism in the US then I suggest that it should be discussed in an article on that topic. However, I would personally be surprised if it could be shown that the mere mention of Ninja Turtles had an impact in itself. Of course, if it could be shown that the Ninja Turtle reference itself did influence political activism in the US then that may warrant its inclusion - can you provide any evidence of this?

• I don't feel that the Jerry Falwell issue is a fair comparison and it discusses a controversy that was actually about the Teletubbies (i.e. whether they were somehow promoting homosexuality). In comparison Gingrich was just using the Ninja Turtles as an example of kids understanding a complicated concept (not a very good example, in my opinion, because I don't see how a Ninja Turtles are difficult to understand). I suggest that he could just have easily used something like Transformers instead. TigerShark 12:02, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

philosophy

Someone recently added the "philosophy section". I think that there is something wrong with this section, but also some salvagable. I think the statements about "the last major toy line..." are too sweeping. I'll give this a shot, but for reference this section needs attention badly. ike9898 21:12, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

Wow, how successful indeed!

"...a successful toyline..."

If the TMNT toyline was so successful (which I know for a fact that it was), then why the heck is there no subsection on this, or even a mention worth its reputation? (the quote above is from the video games section!)

Also, what's with the profound lack of info on the MOVIES? I even thought they'd each have a page of their own! (not even a single one for the whole bunch?!?) Let's put the information that does matter, the sort which made the TMNT truly popular as they were!!!

Live action?

There was a live action run immediately before the 2003 cartoon. Was that a rerun of the already mentioned live action series?

Saban made the live action TMNT TV Series, which was actually more popular than Power Ranger (Many suggested that was the actual reason the live action series was dropped). I'll have to find that article it's pretty interesting, because it shows how business can influence people.

That show was called "Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation" and was Kevin Eastmen's idea. He wanted to keep the Turtles 1987 cartoon alive for kids to enjoy after they got kicked off of the channel the show originally aired on, so he struck a deal with CBS and Fox (if I remember correctly). CBS would continue to run the show, but only if another competing channel ran a turtle show (this info could be wrong). The TV station Fox was the answer. However, Fox did not want to run an animated series, but instead they wanted them to make a new, live action show resembling the movies. The show was supposedly a continuation of the cartoon, but I personally feel that it doesn't match up, so I consider it using a new story line. In this show Shredder is more of an somewhat silly or insane man in metal who is easily "transformed" back into the "good" Oroku Saki who was supposedly imprisoned inside of the Shredder's hatred and bitterness, almost as if the Shredder and Saki were split personalities of the villain. Within the first episode or two, Shredder becomes a good guy and the Foot Clan is disbanded. The Turtles could now focus on this show's group of villains, which are magic-weilding dragons who were trapped in another reality of sorts. I just realized I was talking too much, so I won't say anymore about that. But anyway, Peter Laird hated this show with passion. One reason why he hated it was because of the NEW FIFTH TURTLE, a female turtle named "Venus de Milo" (she originally has a Chinese name, but she is renamed to match the other turtles' names. While the other turtles are named after artists, her name actually comes from a work of art. Why she had to be renamed is somewhat vague to me). The show also announced that the four turtle brothers were NOT really brothers, and were not related at all. This made room for romance possibilities with the new female turtle, Venus. Peter Laird and Kevin Eastmen eventually drifted away from each other and their friendship was lost, probably due to different opinions as to the direction of the Turtles. As soon as Peter Laird bought Kevin Eastmen's creative rights to the Turtles, his first act of business was to make sure that Venus de Milo was gone for good. He announced the character was officially scrapped, and is as if she NEVER existed. "The Next Mutation" show has become, or is seen as, non-canonical (especially to Peter Laird, I'm sure) to the series. An interesting side note is that the Turtles from this show actually did a cross over with the Power Rangers (In Space series, if I remember correctly), in which the Turtles were being controlled by the Ranger's enemies and were sent to fight the Rangers. The Turtles were unstoppable, proving the Rangers were no match for them, until the mind control either wore off or the Rangers stopped it. Once this happened, the Turtles didn't stick around for answers, but simply highshelled it out of there via sewers, if I am not mistaken. I saw the episode of Power Rangers In Space myself. Cartoonist Will 08:22, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Please note: The above info can be found elsewhere on Wikipedia. I thought information was completely lacking, but I was wrong. I originally posted that this info should appear, but it does. Please refer to those pages in case anything I said is wrong. However, I believe some of the info about it on this page may be in error. It says that both creators disavow Venus de Milo's existance, but I thought it was mostly Peter (this is minor, obviously). Also, the section about it on the page/article says was cancelled because it was not popular among fans. However the opposite is told elsewhere (by fans, etc). Rumor has it that Fox had it canceled because it was more popular than Power Rangers. Whether or not this is true is unknown, but I think Peter Laird would have canceled it himself if it had still been running by the time he had bought Kevin's hald of the creative rights for the Turtles. This is probably unimportant. Cartoonist Will 09:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Understanding

I thnik some TMNT stories are difficult to understand for many kids. In the 1987 TMNT cartoon, there is a lot of both Science Fiction and science, like dimensional portal (many episodes), DNA (Enter: The Fly), law of gravity (Sky turtles) and void (The Ninja Sword of Nowhere). And the Archie comics are too much about religious conflicts.

-It might be so that some children might not understand, but that doesn't mean they couldn't enjoy it. The 1987 show was produced for children, but I think the 2003 show seems more directed toward teenagers. The show couldn't exist without those things, and calling them what they are is easier than not. Think of it as a learning experience. Can you explain the Archie comics' religious conflicts? I don't remember any of that, to say the least. Otherwise, concerning those terms, remember that the shows and Archie comics are based off of the original comics published by Mirage and Image, which, if I am not mistaken, were and are still directed towards an older audience which could understand those things. The content of many of the comics published by those publishers has content not suitable for children, such as cussing and scenes with blood or characters being impailed. I tend to stay away from that, myself. The TMNT is much a Science Fiction themed story, including the word "mutant." (As a funny side note, most adults today seem to have no understanding of "ninja" or "samurai," and especially the difference. Unfortunately, Peter Laird and Kevin Eastmen have taken artistic liberties within TMNT that do not help with this problem.) Cartoonist Will 07:55, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

"Other Information"

Very few, if any, featured articles have a section for "Other Information," "Trivia," or "Miscellaneous." Such categories are the hallmark of poor Wikipedia editing. The info that was contained in the TMNT "Other Information" subheading helped differentiate between canonical versions of the TMNT and apocryphal versions. To our credit, this distinction is well-documented throughout the main article and receives additional clarification in the "Comparisons within..." article. The inclusion of canonical vs. apocryphal under a separate subheading is redundant. In addtion, the item about Yoda and Darth Vader is incidental/anecdotal, and it has no proof or support from another source. For these reasons, the "Other Information" section should be deleted, and in the future an effort should be made to find a way to incorporate such information into the main body of the article. --Wild Goose 17:12, 7 Sept 2005 (UTC)

Master of the gays?

Did one of the turtles really declare themselves master of the gays in the third episode of season one?

"In the third episode of the original TV series Michelangelo declared himself the master of gays"

No. This article has been heavily vandalized and unfortunately I don't have time to immediately fix it. —Slicing (talk) 22:49, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Children in sewers? (suggested expansion)

I was born in 85 so I kind of grew up in the middle of the TMNT fad, although I was still pretty young even when it died down. But yeah, one thing I distinctively remember was some minor controversy relating to children venturing into actual sewers in search for the ninja turtles. I can't remember the actual extend of it, I was really quite young, but I recall it being all over the news for a brief period, with citations that the show should be modified or even take off the air as result. I live in Australia so the fact that it managed to reach our news makes me thing it was quite big in the US.

It became a minor issue at my elementary school too, when some children tried (and failed) to enter a storm water grate near the back of the school, though one child did get stuck and there were school council talks of having TMNT clothes and paraphernalia banned from school grounds. Still, I get the feeling the media storm was much bigger than what my personal experience accounts for. Maybe if somebody a little older who has a better memory of the events specified can make an addition to the article? I really think the events mentioned herald an important part of the whole TMNT culture that existed in the early 90's when I was growing up, it would be good to see something about it mentioned in this wiki.

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Original Drawings

Is there a reason that we're not using the wonderful "first drawings" of the "ninja turtle" by Eastman and Laird that's found on the ninjaturtles.com website? Do these have copyright restrictions that the other images (Covers and splash pages of comic books, TV screen caps) do not? --Andrew 14:19, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, but that's a wonderful idea. I have the drawing Stan Sakai of the Turtles in mind which, to Stan's surprise, appeared in probably the second issue of the very first series. It is the very first drawing of Stan Sakai's Miyamoto Usagi from Usagi Yojimbo appearing with the Turtles. That would look good somewhere, probably in a section that could be devoted to the cross overs with Usagi? Cartoonist Will 09:05, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

CBS series?

I seem to remember a CBS series sometime after the 1987 series and before the 2003 series. If I remember correctly it had a slightly differnt artistry style than the first series (later season perhaps?) and had a very different plot. In this series each of the four turtles had mutated again into large spiky creatures. Was this mentioned anywhere in the article?

That was the final few seasons of the 1987 series and I'm pretty sure they are discussed in that article.--The_stuart 23:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Merchandise / Action Figures

I'd love to see the Merchandise section expanded as I loved those action figures and it would be nice if there was more information avaliable. This website would be a good source: TMNT Toys

1990?

Hey there. It seems the facts about the 1987 show have been altered recently. Everything seems to now indicate 1990 instead. Since I don't know the real facts of the show, can someone go through and fix this? All the edits were made by IP address 65.98.63.17 on May 14th. 25or6to4 22:19, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Species

So . . . what type of turtles are they?

Why, teenage mutant ninja turtles, of course! —Slicing (talk) 21:13, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Because they're depicted as terrestrial and not marine reptiles, I think they're technically considered tortoises.

The meaning word "tortoise" has generally become ambiguous these days. I think that each of the Turtles is supposed to represent the Everyturtle, and not supposed to be of a specific species. It's not very important in the long run, anyway. --Brandon Dilbeck 04:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Comics and naming conventions

I re-titled the articles for the TMNT comic books and provided Redirects for the old ones, just so we're consistent with the naming conventions currently in use. Hopefully this doesn't create any problems for anyone, but if it does, feel free to double-check and correct me. One thing I'd really like to do is fix the template for the handy mini-portal that exists at the bottom of the page to reflect these changes. But I don't know how to get to it. Can anyone help with this? --Wild Goose 19:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

You mean this? Try not to make it too big--originally, it was gigantic. --Brandon Dilbeck 19:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Yup, that's the one. Thanks! --Wild Goose 20:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

TMNT Crossovers?

Does anyone else think that a section should be created listing TMNT crossovers? Maybe throw in a few details of who the Turtles teamed up with (or fought against) and in what medium (such as comic books, live-action, cartoon, etc).

Some TMNT crossovers that I can think of off the top of my head:

• Usagi Yojimbo (He was in the old cartoon, the current cartoon, an issue of Tales of the TMNT, and the Turtles even showed up in Usagi's own comic book series)
• Savage Dragon (He and the TMNT crossed paths multiple times under both the Image and Mirage banner)
• Wild West C.O.W.-Boys of Moo Mesa (A recent Tales of the TMNT issue)
• The Power Rangers (The Next Mutation turtles stepped into the PR world for two episodes)
• Creed (I honestly don't know much about this, other than the crossover took place in the comics)
• Cerebrus the Aardvark (Early issues of Mirage volume 1)
• Flaming Carrot (Four issue mini-series from Mirage)
• Viking Heroes (Another one I don't know much about; probably took place in the Viking Heroes comics)

Any others that I'm missing? Thoughts on creating a new section? --Ninjakid 09:34, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

That's not a bad idea, provided the info is interesting and readable and not just a laundry list. In any event, it's best to include such specific content on the appropriate TMNT sub-page (such as the Mirage comics page), rather than cluttering the Main page with more minutiae. Can't wait to see the results of your work! --Wild Goose 16:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Fast Forward

Since Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Fast Forward (which begins in September 2006) is being billed as a seperate series as the one currently shown on 4Kids, and there is already a blurb about the 2007 movie, would it benefit to have at least a small stub on what's known of Fast Forward on this page? The S 03:24, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

According to ninjaturtles.com, "Fast Forward is considered the fifth season of the current cartoon (there will not be two different series)." So a new section is not warranted on the TMNT main page. However, there's no reason we can't add a sentence or two about it under the "2003 animated series" heading. Of course, more comprehensive details can be included in the "2003 animated series" main page. Wild Goose 14:03, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

We need to come to a consensus as to whether or not "Fast Forward" is the 5th season of the 2003 series or the first season of a brand new series. It's my belief that FF is the 5th season of the current series, and I was about to make changes to the page reflecting that, but realized they would probably get reverted in short order, and a discussion would be necessary anyway. I think 4Kids promoting FF as a "brand new series" is nothing but a marketing tactic. But if you look at the storyline and animation in FF, it's clear that the show is exactly the same as that of the previous four seasons. Fast Forward needs to be a sub-heading under the 2003 series. Thanks for having a polite debate about this. --Wild Goose 12:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe that Fast Forward is officially considered the fifth season of the new TMNT cartoon. The FAQ page at the official TMNT website calls it the fifth season. Ninja kid21 23:21, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Casey

Added him to the list of major characters, given that he's been in practically every issue since #10, that whole issues have revolved around him, that at one pont he was given an abbreviated mini-series, and that the new cartoon positions him just as centrally as have the comics.

References

One thing this article really lacks is references...Bkone5 03:36, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

My edits

I removed a lot of the subheadings, as I felt there was just far too many. The headings are self explainitory, and having a million sub headings makes the paragraphs short and scrappy, instead of nice built prose, which from what I can see is what most featured articles look like. I also removed the manga image as 3 in one section is pushing fair use. I also replaced the film image of Ralp with one that has everybody in it, so then all Turtles are represented, which I think is fairer. I know a lot of peole "watch" this page, but I'm only trying to help. I looked through a bunch of featured articles, and yeah, I dont think having short 'stub' like paragraphs is going to get us anywhere, so I changed it up. It also needs heavy referencing, which I posted above. And the images need what is known as 'fair-use' rationales/reasoning on their pages....Thanks guys. Peace. Bkone5 03:35, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Trivia: would the artists who are the Turtles' namesakes have actually know each other?

A friend of mine asked me this question, so here is the answer culled from research done on Wikipedia...

• Donatello (Donato di Niccolò di Betto Bardi) (1386 – 13 December 1466) was a famous Florentine artist and sculptor of the early Renaissance.
• Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci (25 April 1452 – 2 May 1519) was a talented Italian Renaissance Roman Catholic polymath: architect, anatomist, sculptor, engineer, inventor, geometer, scientist, mathematician, musician, and painter.
• Michelangelo di Lodovico Buonarroti Simoni (6 March 1475 – 18 February 1564), commonly known as Michelangelo, was an Italian Renaissance sculptor, painter, Renaissance architect and poet.
• Raphael or Raffaello (6 April 1483 – 6 April 1520), born in Urbino, Italy, was a master painter and architect of the Florentine school in the Italian High Renaissance, celebrated for the perfection and softness of his paintings. He was also called Raffaello Sanzio, Raffaello Santi, Raffaello da Urbino or Rafael Sanzio da Urbino.

So, Donatello was the oldest of the four. He may possibly have met Leonardo before he died, but given their age difference it is quite unlikely (and around 1466 Leonardo was only just being apprenticed as a garzone (studio boy) to Andrea Del Verrocchio, the leading Florentine painter and sculptor of his day).

Leonardo, Michelangelo, and Raphael were all artistically active in Rome for a period of time. They almost certainly did all meet each other at some point, but they are usually cited as rivals. Note that Leonardo was pivotal in supporting the relocation of Michelangelo's masterpiece, David, against his will (due to imperfections in the marble). And according to Michelangelo, Raphael (together with the architect Bramante) convinced Pope Julius II to commission Michelangelo to paint the Sistine Chapel because he was unfamiliar with fresco (preferring sculpture at the time) and would therefore suffer from unfavourable comparisons with Raphael.

Interestingly, Raphael's painting The School of Athens (a fresco in the Apostolic Palace in the Vatican) includes Leonardo as Plato in the centre of the fresco, Michelangelo as Heraclitus in the foreground (included as a tribute following the unveiling of the first half of the Sistine Chapel), and a self-portrait of Raphael as Apelles at the far right.

Michelangelo's David also links to Donatello (as well as the aforementioned link to Leonardo). In 1464 the Overseers of the Office of Works of the Duomo (Operai) had plans to commission a series of twelve large Old Testament sculptures for the buttresses of the cathedral of Santa Maria del Fiore. Until then only two had been created independently, including David by Donatello and another work by his assistant Agostino di Duccio. In 1464 they again contracted Agostino to create a sculpture of David, but he left the project in 1466 following Donatello's death. Antonio Rossellino was commissioned to take up where Agostino had left off, but his contract was terminated soon thereafter and the block of marble remained neglected for twenty-five years. In 1501 the Operai ordered the block of stone, which they called The Giant, "raised on its feet" so that a master experienced in this kind of work might examine it and express an opinion. Though Leonardo da Vinci and others were consulted, it was young Michelangelo, only twenty-six years old, who convinced the Operai that he deserved the commission.

Stelio 14:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Film image

I changed the image in the film section. I don't mind if someone changes it to something else, but the image of Raph, which looked like a promo image just looked weird, as he looked cross-eyed, and gave the impression that the Turtles wore those costumes in all the films. Also it would be better if we had an image of all the Turtles, not just one of them. Davey4 03:53, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The information regarding the TV series is wrong too. Back in those days, they were called 'Teenage Mutant HERO Turtles', *not* 'Ninja'. I have paraphenelia to prove this, if needs be. I believe the Heroes made the transformation into full-blown official Ninjas when the first movie came out. BRY, 10:43am GMT, May 21 2007

The article says that in the UK, the word 'ninja' was deemed too violent by old censoring laws, hence they changed it to 'hero'. Bekkie 15:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

There is even more wrong information in the article. It mentions that the Foot Soldiers were changed to robots to lower the rating of the show. There weren't ratings back then. The TV Rating system was implemented in January of 1997.JoeyFNK 14:28, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Talk of a 4th Feature Film Prior to TMNT (2007)

This is mainly a concern more than it is an addition. A fellow hardcore TMNT fan from back in the day and myself were having a discussion, and it was brought up by him. It was brought to my attention that there was a 4th prior to this one coming out March of next year, which included a girl turtle. I have been looking all i can, and have not been able to find anything on it. I continued to do research and found others that have said the same thing. Why cant i seem to find out anything on this "Mysterious 4th Film."? If anyone knows anything, please e-mail me at twiztid_juggalo_reverend@hotmail.com so i can finally put this movie discussion between us to rest and move on to the next one.

It sounds like you're mistaking it with the Live-action Series, they had a female turtle...from what I've read they were gonna use the Next Mutation as the basis for a fourth film. There was also that Hallmark TV movie that was never made. User:Jay Verdi

On the official Mirage TMNT site in the Blast From the Past section http://www.planetracers.com/blast/prblastarchive.html there are some old conceptual sketches from early pre-production of a fourth live action movie. The concept was that the Turtles were going to mutate further and develop sort of superpowers that fit their personalities, ala Fantastic Four. (ie Mike could appear as human, Raph could morph into a monster, Don would go blind and get psychic powers) But any fourth live action film was ditched sortly after movie 3 was released I guess. I know this sounds far fetched but it's right there on the official site. You have to remember though these were early, early pre-production ideas and who knows what a fourth live action film would have been if it had really happened. But to answer your question, yes there were plans to do a fourth live action movie but they were scrapped early on. Danleary25 05:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Just to clear up what I just typed above. If you go to the official Mirage page http://wwww.ninjaturtles.com and go tot the site map the Blast From the Past link takes you to the Planet Tracers website which was a comic of Peter Laird's. That is where he did the Blast articles. The ones I was talking about which show early pre-pro sketches for the ill-fated TMNT IV movie are articles 36 through 40. Danleary25 05:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Failed GA

Fails criteria 6.c of WP:GA?, none of the images have fair use rationale. Image:Tmnt 7.jpg has a watermark on it and Image:Metal raphael toy.jpg has fansubs on it (we aren't supposed to support copyright violaters), so both of those should be replaced.

This is mostly just a quick fail based on the images, but the article also seems a little light on the citations, especially in the first half. This may not be a problem though, as most of the article seems fine from a quick glance through. Fix up the images and tweak the page some and nominate it for GA again. --SeizureDog 12:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Inspirations, Influences and Frank Miller

Can someone post some notes about the influences that originated TMNT in its first run at Mirage? I think anyone who knows the history of TMNT, the art and the story heavily resembled a parody of Frank Miller's gritty "Ninja" and "Japanese-themed" storylines seen in Marvel Comics' "Daredevil" and "Wolverine" limited series which were hugely popular at that time during the mid 1980's. Does anyone have any information on this which can be added to the article??? --Hokgwai 05:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

That information is currently contained the lead-in paragraphs, mentioning parodies of Daredevil, The New Mutants, and the influence of Jack Kirby and Frank Miller. Any further details (such as the influence of Cerebus, the Fantastic Four, Richard Corben, Star Wars, etc.) would probably be better off in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (Mirage comics) article. --Wild Goose 13:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I added a note that it was Frank Miller's work on Dardevil that was an influence. If this is not appropriate, please advise.--Hokgwai 04:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I saw the noted reference link from Kevin Eastman himself regarding the influences for TMNT. Much thanks to whoever posted it....but in the text, someone only cited Frank Miller's Ronin as his influence. I truly feel that Frank Miller's run in Daredevil was just an important influence as K. Eastman noted in the reference. If it is okay, I am adding Daredevil as on of the influences in the opening text. If this is not useful, or appropriate please advise. Thanks. --Hokgwai 07:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Lead-in picture

The replacement of the main picture may cause some controversy, so please feel free to discuss in this forum. The previous picture seemed to be fan art based on the 1990 movie, but we can't know for sure because the source of the image was not documented. The artist's rendition of the TMNT also struck me as very passive, which is inconsistent with their role as action-adventure heroes. The new image represents the Turtles in their most current and ubiquitous incarnation, that of the 2003 animated series. Since the Turtles have been interpreted in almost a dozen different ways in as many media, it's important that the introduction to this article includes a picture of the Turtles that casual Wikipedia users should be most familiar with. Wild Goose 20:35, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Aww. I liked the picture, but I do see where you're coming from with this one... The Pacifist 16:41, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, the older pic was pretty cool, but without documenting its source we can't really use it. But honestly, if we're going to use a logo, i think it should be the logo from the original tv show. This is just a personal preference though, that, honestly, i can't really justify very well in the context of this article. Maybe when it's no longer an active tv show we can revert to the old stuff, but for the time being i suppose it's appropriate to represent the franchise with the face they want to be seen. 172.150.177.151 07:27, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I think the picture should be from the most recent comic series, for reasons of showing the original incarnation in its most refined and defined form, if nothing else. This is the normal procedure for comic series that have been adapted into many forms (see Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Hellboy, Justice League, Sin City, X-Men, etc.). For what is basically a comic series that has been adapted due to its popularity, having a picture from an animated series seems amiss. --Switch 14:04, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to changing the lead-in picture, as long as the art does not confuse an average Wikipedia user looking for info about the mainstream Turtles. For better or worse, the Turtles will always be more closely identified with the cartoon than the comics. So the lead-in should be a full-color image of all four Turtles wearing their multi-colored masks. If you can find another image that's acceptable, by all means, feel free to replace the current lead-in. --Wild Goose 15:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't really mind which image is used, but I must say if it were to be a cartoon, it should be from the 1987 version. Just because the 2003 one is current, it doesn't mean it is more notable. The 1987 is much more well known... Davey4 10:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

By the way, imo the image that is there right now is no good as they do not have their individually colored masks. Davey4 10:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I am liking the current lead-in picture. --Switch 17:48, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Solicitation for new lead-in pic

Given the recent failure of our Good Article nomination (see above), I would like to invite a Wikipedia editor to contribute an original work of art, released under the GFDL, that can be used as a suitable lead-in picture for the main TMNT article. Please remember to include all four turtles in their multi-colored masks, preferably with their appropriate weapons. This is not a talent search. But my attempts to find a suitable image that does not violate any copyrights have not been successful, and I think this might be a good alternative to explore. Thanks for your help. --Wild Goose 17:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

This new lead-in picture is terrible, in my opinion. There are two reasons. Firstly, this picture is not a fair illustration. It seems more like an artistic expression of the main protagonists, not an accurate representation of what they seriously look like. Second, I do not like the blaring advertisement for a domain at the bottom of the picture. This needs to be removed. 70.243.118.9 16:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Anti-Drug 80's Cartoon

If my memory doesn't fail me, I believe the TMNT were in a cartoon about a boy doing drugs with other famous cartoon characters of the time... someone (who rememberes more than I do) should add something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.23.91.8 (talk) 19:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

I believe it was called Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue. CurtDogg 22:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I forgot to check back, I just came back to this article to add that bit (wich I found in The Muppet Babies article).Vicco Lizcano 19:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC) ^{(Tell me where I'm wrong)}

To be accurate, only Michaelangelo appeared in that cartoon; none of the other TMNT characters did besides him. 75.70.123.215 (talk) 06:37, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Turtle monsters?

I remeber watching once some episodes where the turtles had some sort of "unstable mutation" and would ocasionaly turn into big, fat turtles with incerased strenght. There was also a boy pal of them, who turned into a "the-thing"-like yellow rock monster. The article failed to give any info on that, aparently.

You may want to look for that information here. --Wild Goose 01:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Mask Colours

I'm adding mention of the fact that originally (and continuing in volume 4, based on the cover art) their masks were *all* red. FangsFirst 03:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

This is true. However, because it only applies to the Mirage Comics, it might be better to add a single sentence under the Mirage heading, rather than to repeat the same info four times for each of the Turtles. --Wild Goose 04:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Point taken. I considered that, but wasn't sure how to approach it. I think I'll do that. I in fact was going to until I noticed the characters all had parallel sentence structure as it was, so I shrugged and went ahead. Silly of me, I realize. Ah well, it can be fixed! FangsFirst 05:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

On re-reading, it appeared to fit better in the section about the original TV show, as it already references the fact that changes were made, and thus was a contextually appropriate addition. FangsFirst 05:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Pimiko

I just started the article. --HanzoHattori 13:14, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

No summarry?

I find it hard that there isn't a section talking about the storylines. I recently watch the 2007 movie and I want to catch up on the series but there isn't a section that gives a short summary over it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.51.120.128 (talk) 14:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

Sadly, you'd have to look up on each indivual character article for that. Really, though, this article needs something of a plot summary to ever pass the GA or FA standards. Disinclination 04:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the reason you don't find plot summaries on this page is because the TMNT story has drastically changed over time, resulting in several parallel storylines running simultaneously in each medium. For this reason, most of the plot summaries have been spun off to the sub-pages, such as those specifically dealing with the Mirage comics, the 1987 series, the three live action films, and so forth. This was why the "Comparisons within TMNT" page was helpful, just to sort out all these changes that have occurred. But alas, it got marked for deletion. --Wild Goose 04:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Michaelangelo or Michelangelo?

The article uses both, so this needs to be checked. --85.194.204.100

Early on, creators accidentally misspelled the name as Michaelangelo. It has since been corrected as Michelangelo. Unless specifically talking about the spelling error, the character should be known as Michelangelo. --Wild Goose 04:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Pictures for characters

Is it possible that if we include a fair-use rational, we could re-upload the four "posters" for each of the characters that came with the 2007 movie? If not, should we use the comic book covers that are for each of the characters? Disinclination 19:14, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Mirage Vol. 4 Canceled/Indefinite Hiatus?

Under the Mirage section of this article it mentions that Volume 4 (the most recent of the comics) went on an 8 month hiatus while Peter Laird supervised the new cgi film. However it has now been 12 months since the last of the Volume 4 comics was released. But what has really come to my attention is that on the official Mirage TMNT website (ninjaturtles.com) under the comics section it gives Volume 4 the dates 2001-2006, instead of 2001-Present, and says "On indefinite hiatus" beneath that. There are no further details on exactly why Laird has not published issue 29 of the series but it sounds like Volume 4's future is now in serious doubt. I think the end of the Mirage section should be edited to mention this (as well as the separate Mirage comics page which has the same info and where I left this same discussion). What does anyone elese think or have you heard further news on Volume 4's present state? Danleary25 04:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I hadn't heard about this. You're right, the info in the article should probably be changed. Feel free to edit it. --Wild Goose 12:48, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Looks like that edit was made before I did it. However I revised it because it didn't seem accurate to the info I brought forward. The series was not placed on indefinite hiatus because of Laird's work on the movie. It was in fact placed on an eight month hiatus. But now some other reason for which Laird's has either not spoken publicly or has not been found for this page went on to change it to indefinite. Since so little info is currently available on the series' ending I think it's important to express exactly everything that happened, which only take two sentences. Danleary25 14:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

According to the main website (I contacted them to verify that it isn't a mistake) but Volume 4 shall resume its run beginning in May. 1808Productions (talk) 02:31, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Cowabunga?

How to spell that? 84.58.150.105 22:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Yup, that's the correct spelling. BTW, please add new discussion topics to the bottom of the page. Thanks. --Wild Goose 23:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

TMNT Fast Forward Info Removed

Info regarding it seemed too specific for an article as general as this one, and would be better served in TMNT 2003's own article, I felt. Plus, it seemed to deal more with the Lost Season 5 than Fast Forward itself. Ian 65.218.145.47 17:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Leonardo only described as using katana?

"Every incarnation identifies his swords as "katana."

I have a pretty firm memory of the Palladium TMNT RPG describing Leo as using Daisho. This was a looooong time ago, however, so I could be mistaken. Pseudo Intellectual (talk) 17:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Then why does the article say he wields a pair of ninjaken? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.246.141.164 (talk) 21:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Terry Rosie

Someone keeps adding Terry Rosie to the list of main characters. Can someone who's more familiar with the show back me up on the reverts I've been doing? Thanks, FCSundae ∨^☃ (talk) 14:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll back you, I googled and yahoo searched for the name and I got nothing related TMNT. Plus, the person is trying to add this supposed character to a Main Character listing, there should be numerous episodes this "Terry" appears in and even then, Karai isn't mentioned in the Main Character list and she has been in nearly EVERY reincarnation of the TMNT franchise. Bekkie (talk) 16:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

TMNT 3

Some one keeps deleting the third tmnt movie! who is it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bottomlivefan95 (talk • contribs) 18:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Check the edit history. Rau's Speak Page 21:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Comics B-Class Assesment required

This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject. If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class. The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. For further details please contact the Comics WikiProject. Comics-awb (talk) 17:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. There are a lot of statements made that really need sourcing so I'm bumping it down to a C. (Emperor (talk) 19:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC))

Renaissance Artists

I didn't see anywhere in the article, a reference to the names of the four turtles having the same names as the four most successful Italian Renaissance artists. I'm not very good at putting things in the right places on the wiki, so maybe someone else should do it? Thanks LeetaCris (talk) 00:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Not to mention Venus, named after a piece of art. Tyciol (talk) 20:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

Removed some vandalism, dont know if I did it correctly, didnt use revert. This page is linked to by slashdot, probably why it has been targeted. Thanks --204.104.55.243 16:25, 4 January 2007

TMNT lair

I think we need more information on the turtles underground home, either as a separate article or a sub-heading of the main page. I would do it myself but I don't have enough information.--203.59.107.145 19:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

User:203.59.107.145 henceforth known as --Teletran 10:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Keeping in mind, of course, that the turtles had MANY locations that one could consider their "lair", in each animated series, in the motion picture, in the comics as well.. Most commonly it is a location in the sewers, but this isn't always the case. An entire section COULD be written on this subject. Poet (talk) 16:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Cancelled projects

Just a thought but should we include some info about Ninja Turtle movies and shows that almost were but werenever made. On the Official site they have the CGI cartoon pilot and stills from it, and concept art for a cartoon from WB.User:Jay Verdi

Semi-fictional?

Granted, I'm no wikipedia expert (or member for that matter), but how on Earth are TMNT "semi-fictional"? Is there any truth to this story of crime fighting mutant turtles? God, I hope there is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.162.34.152 (talk) 09:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

I guess it depends on how you interprete 'semi'. There were such a thing as ninjas, and there do exist people who carry on ancient martial arts traditions. There are criminal underworlds, and some criminals do practise martial arts, some of them older ones. There are mutant turtles (just not THIS mutated), and mutations do sometimes cause increases in intelligence. Sometimes outgoing women, be they computer hacker or news reporter, can uncover information about underground crime. There are bodybuilding vigilantes like Casey, and there are scientists who engage in terrorism (Stockman). That's about as close to reality it gets though, lol. Tyciol (talk) 20:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Comparison and cultural reference

What happen to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comparison and cultural reference article? It use to be on here but it got deleted. Any way to restore the article? -Unsigned

Height, age, and weight

I've seen some sites (their MySpace) list their height as being 5'2" and their weight 180 pounds (all of them the same), but that doesn't really sound right. I'm not sure if this myspace was official or not, but I've seen the same weights/heights listed on other sites too. Does anyone know their true age/weight/height

Those height and weight figures are consistent with the official TMNT site. But ages are a little trickier because it's never really been determined. The cartoon Turtles are usually assumed to be 15-16, but the Turtles in the Mirage comics are in their 30's. --Wild Goose 13:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Is that in human or turtle years? :) --Robotech_Master 03:06, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I added their height and weight to each of their pages.

Will someone please add them with citations. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.128.185.84 (talk) 00:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

It should be pointed out that they started in the comics at 15 and have continued aging in real time ever since.--Teletran 03:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

They must have grown since then. I have their statistics from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles & Other Strangeness (pg 96-9) and at 15 years old, Raph is 4'6", Mike is 4'8" Leo is 4'9", Don is 5'. All are 150lbs except Don who was 155lbs. So obviously, they grew up, although how they all ended up the same height and weight I'm a bit confused to be honest. Tyciol (talk) 20:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Titan's UK TMNT comic

Added a reference to Titan Uk's current TMNT comic. If anyone wants to expand that would be great.

Technodrome

Why not restore the Technodrome article? The Technodrome is a very important thing in the 1987 TMNT cartoon, and the Archie TMNT Adventures Comics. Especially the 1987 TMNT cartoon. It's like "removing" the Death Star article from Star Wars. When I think of a season in the series, I often think of the Technodrome's location. / J 1982 22:40, 31 December 2007 (CET)

For TMNT fans

I know this got nothing to do with the article, but for fans of the franchise, these userboxes are for you!

(o)(o) This user prefers the Turtles with pupils. {{User:Jw21/deUBdomain/tmnt pupils}} whatlinkshere

( ) ( ) This user prefers the Turtles without pupils. {{User:Jw21/deUBdomain/tmnt no pupils}} whatlinkshere

Yes, I remember a time when the Turtles had no pupils in the original Eastman & Laird comic, then some guy thought of adding the pupils in the cartoon, and the movies have the pupils, while the present cartoon don't have the pupils... you get the idea. I believe the TMNT community is divided with the new movie's inclusion of pupils, so... these are for you! --Jw21/PenaltyKillah^{(discuss•edits)}_'NUCKS:4-6-0 18:48, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Sweet, dude. Make mine no pupils and all red masks for life! --Wild Goose 15:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

There ya go, man! Hope it doesn't look Christmacy or anything... XD In fact, I copied exactly you wanted... "no pupils and all red masks for life!", right? Also added a link to the original comic, and a small link... to the historic discussion! XD Enjoy! --Jw21/PenaltyKillah^{(discuss•edits)}_'NUCKS:4-6-0 01:41, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

( ) ( )

This user prefers the original Turtles - no pupils and all red masks for life.

{{User:Jw21/deUBdomain/tmnt no pupils and red mask}} ^{whatlinkshere}

Awesome 76.173.92.70 01:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

These are pretty cool, but is there one for users without any preferences? I like switching between pupils and no pupils (like with Batman) and I like how they used the same masks but them changed them as they became individuals. Tyciol (talk) 20:22, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Main character names

I'm not a TMNT fan, so the Main Characters section made no sense to me. Why is Michaelangelo called "Zrob," and what does it mean when it says "he is named after Patrick Robbins?" Similarly, it calls Raphael "Jazzbo," and says he is named after Val Tolbert; Michaelangelo is called "Mick dude 08" and "named after Ron Lankford;" and Donatello is missing entirely, though it says that the fourth Turtle, "Neil," is named after "the lunch lady nancy yunker" (sic). I do not understand what any of this means! 163.192.21.44 (talk) 21:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

This means the article was vandalized. Tyciol (talk) 20:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Powers and abilities

In the Turtle's articles will someone please include a "powers and abilities" section I mean, as a member of gen Y, as a little kid I watched the cartoon, and played the SNES game way back when. But, one of the things that always drove me nuts, is how they NEVER explained, exactly, what made the turtles so special. Are they stronger and superhumanly coordinated or something than people? I suppose they would be because they're reptiles, and if they somehow became warm blooded ALL the time, yeah, they would be strong but this is conjecture, and conjecture has no place in an article which is why I restricted this to the discussion section. I think the article would be greatly helped if someone would please find out exactly what "powers" the Turtles have. 206.63.78.51 (talk) 23:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)stardingo747

They don't have any powers. They're ninja. That's it. Rau's Speak Page 01:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

They have powers associated with their species (turtles) in comparison to humans, such as being amphibious (can hold their breath longer), being able to retract into their shells, that kind of thing. Ninjas have martial arts abilities like being good at rolling, which having a shell enhances. It's certainly not something like X-men though, so I get what you mean. Tyciol (talk) 20:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Scads?

I know what it means, but is that encyclopaedic language? 82.69.192.196 (talk) 00:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Not really, if you dislike it, replace it with something better, take the initiative. Tyciol (talk) 20:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Ninjutsu?

Speling mistrake, surely? Shouldn't it be "ninjitsu"? -- Korax1214 (talk) 13:03, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Technically, "ninjutsu" is the correct spelling. However, "ninjitsu" is commonly used. Gringo300 (talk) 17:39, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

I think in the new animated series they even pronounce it 'jitsu' so I can see Korax's point. Probably because they want the vowel in the middle to be a short sharp sound and fit with the first one, rather than be a long 'oo' sound such as with 'jootsoo' (like how they pronounce it in the Naruto dubs). I just pronounce it as a short U though so it flows. Tyciol (talk) 20:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Although technically you're correct that the spelling is "ninjutsu", I distinctly remember the pronunciation as Tyciol describes. In fact, I remember this same pronunciation in the motion picture during a scene where two of the turtles are dancing, and at the end of the verse they both proclaim "ninjitsu". Now whether their pronunciation has any affect on how it should be spelled is the issue at hand here. Keeping that in mind, when I was really into the turtles craze of the 80s and 90s, I don't remember anyone saying "ninjutsu" with that pronunciation. As a point of interest, I had a "ninja head band" from the turtles era that had "ninjitsu" spelled across the side. Poet (talk) 16:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Flaming Carrot

No mention of the Flaming Carrot crossover. I'm not a comics geek, but the Carrot crossover is/was pretty big for both parties as far as I know. It made me respect the Turtles a little more, and I know it made some hard core comicos take note of Carrot.Tdaughters (talk) 07:06, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I haven't heard of this before, if you have info on it with sources, it sounds interesting to add. Is it related to their crossovers with Usagi Yojimbo? I ask because he's a rabbit and like... carrots eat them. Tyciol (talk) 20:19, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree that a Flaming Carrot mention is needed. Would fit nicely into the "Comics" section. I think they first did a crossover in "Flaming Carrot Comics" issue #25 issued by Dark Horse... I own issue 26 in which the turtles also appear, and I believe they appeared in 1 or 2 subsequent issues as well. Likewise, I believe there were Flaming Carrot crossovers into the turtle's comics as well (reference here: http://www.comicvine.com/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-flaming-carrot-crossover/49-5182/ depicting the covers of those issues). No, it had nothing to do with Usagi Yojimbo! Poet (talk) 15:56, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Just added that mention of the two crossovers with Flaming Carrot Comics in the article. Besides the two crossovers, I don't believe there were any other mentions of either characters in either comics. Poet (talk) 17:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Savage Dragon

Now we have added a Flaming Carrot crossover portion to the main article, it makes me wonder if mention of other such crossovers (such as the Savage Dragon crossover) should also be mentioned. Mention of each and every kind of crossover and special event that took place between the TMNT characters in various comics (especially comics published by Mirage) would lead to the already copious amounts of information in the Comics section of the article to expand beyond control. Poet (talk) 07:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Details such as crossover story arcs are probably best suited for the Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_(Mirage_Studios) article. Brant Jones (talk) 00:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

In relation to Daredevil

It is mentioned that the TMNT were created as a parody of four comics, one of which is the Daredevil. I have heard that the ooze that spilled from a truck accident and mutated the turtles is the same truck accident and radioactive spill that caused the Daredevil to go blind. Was this truly the intent of the creators that this accident in the Daredevil comics was the same in their comics or just part of the parody making fun of truck accidents creating superheros? Both Daredevil and the Turtles live in New York.148.78.249.33 (talk) 23:21, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Although it's a well known fact that the TMNT were created as a parody, could it be said with cited sources that the exact incident was in relation to Daredevil? If so, gladly mention them. Although it could probably be assumed that this is the case without citation it's better to assume it's just a parody of tuck accidents creating superheroes than to try and bring fact to that incident tying the two together. For example, I could also say that many superhero comic books have heroes living in New York, therefore the TMNT are parodying all of them, but that assumption couldn't have a very valid source behind it. Poet (talk) 02:04, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Italy did not have "Hero Turtles"

Hello folks, sorry to butt in, in the "controversy" section of this article you name the countries that used the phrasing "Hero Turtles", but Italy was never one of them. The show has always been called in Italy "Tartarughe Ninja alla riscossa" (meaning "Ninja Turtles to the rescue"). Leo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.11.110.88 (talk) 19:17, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Reorganization

Just a heads-up to those watching this page: I'm going to attempt to reorganize the info so that it flows chronologically, rather than the current subject-by-subject or medium-by-medium organization. I'm looking to other articles about popular media franchises as models for this re-organization, particularly Transformers, G.I. Joe, and Star Wars. I'll try to do this fairly seamlessly, but if you happen to notice some things out of place in the next few days or so, please bear with me and be patient. Or better yet, feel free to contribute wherever you can! Brant Jones (talk) 16:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, I'm taking this opportunity to pare down the main article, currently at 52kb long. I'll be moving some of the more esoteric minutiae into the appropriate TMNT "branch" articles. If you find that certain info is suddenly missing, it probably didn't get deleted; it was just moved. Please address any concerns here on the talk page. For a preview of the changes I'm planning, please view the draft on my User page. Thanks! Brant Jones (talk) 05:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Links

Just reading this page and noticed that a number of the links in the characters section don't link to the obvious location, eg Shredder to a disambig page, and Lonardo to Da vinci's page, not the page about the turtle. Marc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.92.27.33 (talk) 15:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Nickelodeon buys TMNT

http://tv.ign.com/articles/103/1037171p1.html

How are we going to handle this in the article? I mean, we know that there's a new movie and series coming, but it doesn't really say anything about the status of the previous series' ownership rights... - Cyberlink420 (talk) 21:01, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Big Gay Dan Taylor

I'm not going to claim to be an expert in the field of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, but I really doubt that there was a character named "Big Gay Dan Taylor". If my doubts about the name alone weren't enough, the character's description (under "Main Characters") is very terse and rough. If no one else knows of this character, it should be removed. Ravenicus451 (talk) 14:22, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Dammit, Big Gay Dan was my favourite character. —Wiki Wikardo 08:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

I dont know. They gave him too much screen time in my opinion. 95.109.102.252 (talk) 22:43, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

amir.foad

turtles ninga love veri —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.64.155.82 (talk) 12:23, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Deleted section

Children and consumerism

For many parents in the late 1980s, the Ninja Turtles phenomenon represented the latest in a series of shrewd cartoon-toy marketing strategies, a trend that had proven very profitable with Masters of the Universe, Transformers, Thundercats and a host of other "good vs. evil" action-adventure franchises. Parents often found themselves at odds with children who demanded scads of toys and accessories after being subjected to so-called "30 minute commercials" delivered via after-school television.

This is obviously true, and shouldn’t need any citation. That being said, it’s not specific to the subject, and therefore not relevant to the article. Also, is “scads” encyclopædic? —Wiki Wikardo 08:02, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

It's impossible to call something "true" when using a subjective description like "so called".129.139.1.68 (talk) 18:55, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Intro

Can someone please add a sentence in the intro (first line) that explain how these are fictional characters? I'm not quite sure how to word it. Setitup (talk) 21:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Um, "fictional" is the twelfth word in the article. oknazevad (talk) 00:14, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm confused. Do you want a sentence explaining THAT they are fictional characters, or HOW they are fictional character. They don't exist in the real world. That is how (and why) they are fictional characters.129.139.1.68 (talk) 18:57, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Content dispute

A user consistently removes an entire section of this article. The "themes" section is used in many Wikipedia articles concerning literature and pop culture. The particular themes discussed are obvious and mentioned numerous times in the original interview documentary with the TMNT creators. If there is, for legitimate purposes, a debate about the factual veracity of the content or that it should be verified, it should be placed with the appropriate fact citation needed tag. (http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism).

Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. Vandalism cannot and will not be tolerated.

Please be on the watch for vandalism, which cannot and will not be tolerated. Obamafan70 (talk) 03:22, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

The material, newly added, is completely uncited, and therefore blatantly fails WP:OR, WP:RS and WP:SYNTH. Until you can find reliable sources discussing these themes, they are no more than your opinion, and completely unencyclopedic.

Remember what WP:V says under "Burden of evidence":"The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation." Consider this a challenge. The burden is on you, as the one who wishes to add the material, to provide the sources. It is not vandalism to remove uncited material. Your failure to assume good faith on my part here is very disturbing, and frankly makes me want to bring this to WP:ANI.oknazevad (talk) 03:31, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Please forgive my brazen attempt to improve this article by including relevant information about themes in TMNT (discussed in the original 1980's documentary interview), immediately following a section on "Characters", which like most of this article is completely uncited. Did I mention most of this article is completely uncited? Two entire paragraphs, I believe, in "History" are uncited. I noticed you did not delete them. The Wikipedia standard is for the community of users to review information to judge the value of its inclusion. I add one section, you completely remove it (this is a possible example of vandalism), threaten me with ad hominems, accuse me of tenditious editing (you were the one who used the word "horrendously", I might add), attempt to take this to ANI without discussing it on here, and so on.

I don't have enough patience to deal with this sort of overt bullying. The real issue is that you wish to continue exerting ownership over this article without input from other users. So please have at it; it's all yours. Just do me one favor and leave me alone. Obamafan70 (talk) 04:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I apologize if I came off as too bursque, but calling an editor a vandal because he disagrees with an addition is not in line with the AGF principal.

As for the content, themes are inherently interpretive and never "obvious" enough to include without a cite. This is part of the guidelines on writing articles about fiction.

This is in contrast to the character section, which states facts about the characters readily visible in the original works. (ex: Raphael wears red, wields sais, angers easily.) And the history section is sufficiently sourced; it summarizes Kevin Eastman's recollections on the linked page. There's no need to include a specific ref tag after every sentence. (Indeed, a pet peeve of mine is when somone includes a bunch of links to the same source after every sentence in a paragraph. One tag for the whole paragraph or short section is just fine.)

You mention a documentary from the 80s. If an explicit citation to that were included the themes section would be fine; without it it reads as the encyclopedia's opinion, which doesn't work.

Re-adding the material after specific, policy-based objections have been raised, during which you call the objector a vandal, is the issue with your behavior that I had. Let's just move on. oknazevad (talk) 14:14, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

A few responses and a bit of advice for the future--

• I never called you a "vandal". I stated "rv vandalism" on the summary. You made that inference on your own, which isn't justified by the edits. You ought to stop with the personal threats (tenditious editing, take this to ANI board) and hyper defense-taking. You ought to dial it down a bit.
• The language you used is strident and abrasive. You cited in the edit summary that the content was "nonsense" and you used the adverb "horribly". The fact that you may or may not comprehend an author's intention doesn't make it nonsense. You used it pejoratively, and you ought not to do so. Here is an example of nonsense: "Oi pota nonfargepchas; that bachelor is married."
• I responded to the removal of an entire section of an article that ought to be included in most articles on fiction. Most scholars perceive themes as necessary components. You ought not to delete a necessary component. You ought to allow other users to provide input (this is what it means to be a community).
• Themes, in general are inherently open to interpretation. But that's because everything in fiction is open to interpretation. Have you ever been to a book club meeting? Try getting everyone to agree on the characters, setting, and conflicts; they won't. Of course, some interpretations are not valid, but that's besides the point.....

The point is that some themes are material facts. It is a material fact that Splinter advocates Eastern philosophy, while Shredder advocates unchecked (economic) materialism. Are you debating that? No, nobody would. It's a material fact (a true proposition). That's the point. This is every bit as much a material claim as the fact that the Turtles like pizza (character) or that the location is NYC (setting) or that the chief antagonist is Shredder (conflict). Themes can be material facts, and you ought to recognize that.

• As I said previously, I don't have enough patience to continue improving this Wikipedia article. If you want to continue to exert ownership over this article, that's fine. I'm not going to challenge you on it; I just ask that you leave me alone. Obamafan70 (talk) 15:23, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

"Vandalism cannot and will not be tolerated. Please be on the watch for vandalism, which cannot and will not be tolerated." Easy Braveheart. You may take our lives but not our freedom! Vandalism cannot and will not be tolerated!129.139.1.68 (talk) 19:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Your lack of civility is as breathtaking as your ignorance. The cited wording is a direct quotation from Wikipedia's guidelines on vandalism. The previous user, on the other hand, threatened to take this to ANI (which is standard procedure after the 3RR and discussion on the talk page). I noticed you chose not mock it, which suggests the IP may be a sock puppet.Obamafan70 (talk) 21:46, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

It ain't me. I just left you alone and moved on, like you asked. (Once more, sorry about my role in the dispute, I was having a bad day.)oknazevad (talk) 01:43, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Qpdm, 21 November 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} Please change the character April 'O Neal's description to show that she did not appear as a lab assistant in the 1987 series, please place that BEFORE the rest and also plz include that she befriended the turtles after they saved her from shredders gang. And also, Please note that Cassie Johns DID NOT appear in the 1987 series,

Qpdm (talk) 18:02, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

 DeniedWhile it's true that April wasn't a lab assistant in the 1987 series, she was in the original Mirage Comics series. As that is the first version, that is the first mentioned; the 1987 series is not the primary version of the TMNT. Also, Casey Jones was on that series, but was only a minor guest star; considering his importance to every other version of the Turtles (except maybe the Adventures series), there's no need to act like he is unimportant. oknazevad (talk) 20:21, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

What breed of turtles?

Just wondered if the breed of turtles is ever specified in writing or perhaps by drawing features? (work with more biological articles on turtles, but wondered if there is a culture connect).TCO (talk) 22:34, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Also, the article was hard for me to really understand what the turtles are from reading it (like with spiderman there's that whole thing of the spider biting him and all). Huge amount of detail on the author's development of the franchise and the controversy and all. But I've never read a comic or seen a movie and couldn't tell what these guys are about. Little more "story" desritpion would help me.TCO (talk) 22:34, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

In a twist, Ninjemys oweni was named in honor of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 23:16, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Funny. (I'm serious) this should be added to the article here.TCO (talk) 23:28, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

They're Red-eared sliders. It was stated in an issue of Tales of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles at some point. Makes sense, as RES are the type one would find in a petshop, have the shell pattern depicted, and echo the (originally all) red masks they wear. It's mentioned at the RES article (actually, I'm the one who restored it). Actually, it was my interest in the TMNT that lead to my turtle involvement here on Wikipedia.oknazevad (talk) 01:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Teenage Mutant "Hero" Turtles

This part still hase some problems, mostly all countrys listed are treated as one. there may be one ot two of them where some weapons are not allowd in tv-series for people under 18, but i am pretty sure, not in all, and not in all there was the same law banning the same weapon. it is more likely the tv-stations in those countrys were all buying from the same distributor and that one was in a country with such laws. Elvis (talk) 19:27, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Well I know that the UK was largely responsible. For many years it was illegal to show Nunchuku on television or films played in Britain. This led to the censorship of things like the Ninja Turtles, and Bruce Lee's Enter the Dragon. If I find a reliable source to back this up I will update. TheTome (talk) 19:17, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Mirage Studios

Elsewhere on Wikipedia, it says that Mirage Studios is based in Florence, Northampton, MA and not Dover, Newhampshire. So, what's up this this article? – ishwar  (speak) 10:41, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

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Edit request on 26 February 2012

Casey Jone's description has cricket bat twice in the list of weapons he uses. Tmetcalfe89 (talk) 03:48, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't exactly know how this whole changing locked info is done on wikipedia but I have an issue that needs to be addressed that someone should change or correct me if I'm wrong whatever the case may be. As I read through the main character list, someone describes Casey Jones as a hobo and at some point having a "garbage bag" as a mask. The mask thing has been changed at some point, but for some reason it describes Casey as being a hobo which from what I'm reading on his page says nothing about him being a hobo, just on the TMNT page. I've been a fan since the original tv series in the late 80's and never have I ever come across any info that implies Casey being a hobo. If anything he's a former hockey player turned vigilante. Please somebody correct this error. His character deserves the proper respect for all TMNT fans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankaton55 (talk • contribs) 04:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Tmetcalfe89 and Ankaton55. All three problems were introduced in this edit, which I've undone. Ankaton55, the locked info thing is semi-protection and was implemented in this article subsequent to the problematic edit, and is intended to prevent those kinds of edits. New contributors just post to the talk page, exactly as you did. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 06:36, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I think that this may be a bit judgmental

From the "Feature Films" section: A new feature film will be released on 25 December 2013 as part of the acquisition of the franchise by Viacom. It was announced on May 27, 2010 that Michael Bay's Platinum Dunes production company had landed the rights to the new film and will most likely be a complete abortion of a film unworthy of being related to the source material. It may be useful to make that a bit more objective Bmoffitt (talk) 17:53, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Reverted. oknazevad (talk) 22:06, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Total issues

Just to note, it said there were 104 issues total in the 4 volumes of comics, but after totalling up the number of issues it says there are for each 1 (62 in 1st, 13 in 2nd, 23 in 3rd, 31 in 4th) I got 129 (75 for first half, 54 for 2nd). If issue 32 of volume 4 is ever finished from the basic penciling then this would bring the total to 130.

I'm not clear on how 104 issues was attained, does anyone know? Are any of the issue totals for the volumes I mentioned inaccurate here? Ranze (talk) 19:10, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

That count probably omitted the 23 issues of Volume 3, which was published through Image Comics and was at one point disavowed by Peter Laird. Plus you're probably right about I. Not having been kept up to date through the las couple of issues of volume 4, which were released so haphazardly. I think the new count is better, personally. Good eye! oknazevad (talk) 19:23, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I just wanted to say that this opening line is awesome.

"fictional team of four teenage anthropomorphic turtles" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.183.13.16 (talk) 12:42, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Citation

I looked for this statement to be cited and could not find it, if there is any luck, post it here and I will check it out.

"seven Japanese Mutanite stones encased in a magic mirror that control the Metal Beasts are based on the sun, moon, and the Five Elements"

Seems that it came off an online forum from http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/archive/index.php?t-895301.html

Breadinglover (talk) 05:40, 25 August 2013 (UTC) :Um, that passage is not in this article at all. Are you sure this is the right talk page? oknazevad (talk) 16:05, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

My bad, I see you removed it. I agree with the removal. It's been tagged as uncited for years, and is a trivial level of detail anyway. oknazevad (talk) 16:10, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Turtle names

Can anyone tell me why the names of Renaissance art masters were chosen to name the turtles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.121.141.81 (talk) 15:13, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Potential Changes

I have gone through and copy-edited this text. I fixed run-on sentences and punctuation mistakes. I have also italicized certain words that required italicizing. Here is a sandbox link with potential changes made: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Sue91/sandbox#Ownership_rights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sue91 (talk • contribs) 16:24, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Error in the article

Upon TMNT's first arrival in the United Kingdom, Ireland, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Poland, Austria, Germany, and some other countries in Europe, the name was changed to "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles" (or TMHT, for short), since local censorship policies deemed the word ninja to have excessively violent connotations for a children's program (in Ireland, however, the first season aired as "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" before changing to "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles").

This is complete bullshit, I live in Poland, it was always "Wojownicze Zółwie Ninja" (literally, "Warriorlike Ninja Turtles"). I removed every claim except UK & Ireland (Euro English countries). --Niemti (talk) 20:35, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Poland wasn't on that list, and unless you have proof otherwise, you're not qualified to remove any others from that list. Plus theres absolutely no need for the vulgarity, which implies bad caith on the editors who losted those countries. Chill out. oknazevad (talk) 20:39, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

It was.[1] Chill in. --Niemti (talk) 20:44, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I stand corrected, partly. Removing Poland was a fine correction, but the others need to be sourced one way or the other. The problem of course is that the TV episodes themselves are the source and that's all that's needed for verification, so just as you removed Poland based on the episodes you have seen, other bits about localization changes in that section are verified by those editor's viewings of those localized episodes and the tags are unneeded. And the use of "bullshit" to describe it is still a bad idea; good faith errors are not malicious, which is inherent in the word bullshit.oknazevad (talk) 20:49, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Also, I just checked randomly Finnish article about the "Teini-ikäiset mutanttininjakilpikonnat". This is what it reads (Google translation): In the UK the older name of the series was changed to "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles "because of the suitability of programs for children controlled by the authorities came to the conclusion that the children in the name of the program to be used in Japanese assassin referring to " ninja "word. Also BS claim. Or if you prefer: disinformation. --Niemti (talk) 20:50, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

According to German article, though, they actually had it as "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles (Originaltitel: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)". So, you've got to check it case by case. --Niemti (talk) 20:59, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

The name in the UK was indeed "NM Hero T" (I'm old enough to remember it first-hand) - but I take issue with the suggestion that that was the result of "censorship by the authorities". My understanding at the time was that it was a copyright issue. And if it was a policy choice, that would have been on the part of the broadcasters (from memory, the BBC) - most definitely not some "censorship policy". Fredd169 (talk) 20:09, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Villains?

Shouldn't the article discuss such famous villains in the series as Splitter? I love his voice. I was looking at the disambiguation page for "Splitter" and there was no reference to TMNT; and I don't see any mention of him in the article. Happens to be the name of NBA player for San Antonio.Dwhjr (talk) 01:54, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2014

The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' popularity has resulted in the widespread sale of small red-eared slider turtles in the legal and illegal pet trade. Unfortunately, many of these turtles are bought on an impulse and then abandoned at shelters, rescues or natural eco-systems and wreak havoc on native species of turtles and other animals.

Thera78 (talk) 20:19, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. One would think the USGS would be a reliable source, but the first thing I see when I visit the page you want to use as a reference, is a box that blocks out the whole page and says,

Disclaimer:

The data represented on this site vary in accuracy, scale, completeness, extent of coverage and origin. It is the user's responsibility to use these data consistent with their intended purpose and within stated limitations. We highly recommend reviewing metadata files prior to interpreting these data.

Citation information: U.S. Geological Survey. [2014]. Nonindigenous Aquatic Species Database. Gainesville, Florida. Accessed [6/24/2014].

As such, I can't in good faith add this information based on a site that disclaims it isn't a reliable source right off the bat. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 21:23, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Michelangelo youngest

This is wrong Michelangelo is either listed as being the same age as the other turtles or as the second oldest. http://www.tmnttoys.com/88figures/5004.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.182.44.114 (talk) 03:19, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Have they forgot one?

There is that version I didn't find it here it looks like the 2003-2009 version picture.Can someone please tell me wich one it is?Singed:a person that was too lazy to log in,biofan2.

Nevermind,i didn't recognize Casey and April because i haven't seen the season of 2008.Signed:the one above.

Raphael is completely omitted from the list of main characters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Astcpa115 (talk • contribs) 23:10, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Accidentally deleted during a general copyedit, fixed. Thanks for pointing it out. oknazevad (talk) 00:56, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2014

Typo: In chapter 2: Main characters, in the second bullet point, the character "Michelangelo" is misspelled as "Michelangeol" on the second line. Klakkaros (talk) 18:58, 30 July 2014 (UTC)  Fixed Thanks for pointing it out. oknazevad (talk) 00:56, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Leonardos Signature Weapons

the weapons Leonardo uses are not classic katanas. His swords are called Ninja-To. These weapons are essentially Japanese longswords, with straight blades, thus lacking the curve of the classic katana. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Solesski (talk • contribs) 19:08, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

While likely true, they have always been referred to as katana in the various publications and productions, so calling them ninjato based on anything but that falls under original research. oknazevad (talk) 01:08, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Based on Leonardo_(Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles)#1987_animated_series, the depiction of his swords has changed over time. I've changed "katanas" to "swords" which, although less precise, is indisputably accurate for all Leonardo's incantations. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 05:22, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Simple but effective solution.oknazevad (talk) 04:19, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Update

Edit request. Change the Michael Bay film section "to be released on August 7, 2014" by removing "to be" and also "on". -- 109.77.203.22 (talk) 23:02, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

this has been fixed. -- 109.76.245.95 (talk) 23:50, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Wasn't there a turtles in time cartoon'

I forget the exact name but there was a cartoon where the turtles were sent into the future and it wasn't simply titled TMNT. EDIT: Apparently I'm thinking of the FastForward Season of the 2003 show Maybe the entry here cold say something about how closely the seasons adhere to the comics. Right now it seems unclear to me.Hackwrench (talk) 01:59, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Error in Next Mutation

"The series was intended as a loose continuation of the movie franchise, as Shredder had been defeated and the Ninja Turtles encountered new villains."

This is totally wrong. Shredder is alive and well when the series starts. He isn't defeated until the second episode. If anything the fact that Shredder is alive and non-mutated in the series is evidence that it isn't part of the film universe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.194.218.25 (talk) 04:31, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Anthropomorphic Turtles...

I'm not sure that the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are anthropomorphic; as stated in the lede. Assigning human characteristics to animals, or plants, or inanimate objects, etc., is anthropomorphism, but I think a part of the requirement is the fact that the assigned characteristics don't actually exist. So ... it's not anthropomorphism to say that a dog can hear because a dog actually CAN hear. However it IS anthropomorphism to say that my favourite plant can hear, or that my girlfriend's teddy bear can hear, because neither of those things can actually hear. If I find a turtle at the beach and say that it can understand English, then that's anthropomorphism because a real turtle can't understand English (as far as we know), but it's not anthropomorphism when I say the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle can understand English because they actually can. If that makes sense? Thoughts? FillsHerTease (talk) 10:23, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

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Merch Chart in Merchandise section

I propose we add a yearly merch chart in that section with data provided at List of highest-grossing media franchises, among other sources not mentioned there. What does everyone else think?Timur9008 (talk) 22:36, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Removed original research

I removed some speculation about the original animated series that seemed to be original research. If anyone can find sources for them, they could add them back. David Bañuelos (talk) 02:16, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Unsourced additions

The number of issues, the fact that the stories are original, and the existence of a spin-off are all acceptable to be sourced to the publication itself and need no other sources. Just like the plot summary of a movie.

We have a policy for this for plot summaries. Can you point to an equivalent policy that would support you here, please?

The biggest problem with your edit is that it makes it harder for future editors to improve the article with reliable secondary sources (which, as I'm sure you know, are the favored type of source on Wikipedia). My goal is to eventually get this article into a good shape rather than the mess of original research it currently comprises. Mixing sourced and unsourced information in the same sentence, as you're advocating here, makes unpicking this and creating truly robustly sourced articles much harder. Popcornfud (talk) 21:20, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

WP:PRIMARY, especially point #3: "A primary source may be used on Wikipedia only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." The point specifically mentions album track listings as an example. The number of issues of a comic series falls under the same criteria, as does the existence of a spin-off series. None of what I added constitutes original research, it just states the facts of the published source. oknazevad (talk) 21:30, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

First, you haven't provided a primary source. You've simply attributed these claims to the existing secondary source, which is misleading - they're not in the secondary source.

Second, these are not "straightforward, descriptive statements". For example, to verify the claim that initially adapting episodes of the first animated series, it soon moved to original storylines, readers would have to watch all of the 80s TMNT cartoon, then read all of the Adventures comics, then cross-reference the stories to verify how many of them are original. Popcornfud (talk) 21:34, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Or they could just read issue #5 of the ongoing comic where the new direction was announced in the letters page. Or any off the collected editions where it's described in the introduction. And even then, having to watch every episode and read every issue of the comic to verify the facts does not make a statement OR, it just means that it requires reading the actual publication to verify it. I added archive URL links to the old official website to illustrate the issue numbers, and links there can be used to verify the original storyline aspect. But even then, that's just about making things more convenient to readers. Using the original work, even if it is not online, is still valid and does not constitute OR. The original work fulfills verifiability requirements, and there is no requirement for sources to be online. oknazevad (talk) 21:48, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand the conflict here. If the answer is to just read issue #5 of the ongoing comic where the new direction was announced in the letters page, then cite that, with the page number, as a primary source. Popcornfud (talk) 22:05, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles

Per WP:OTHERNAMES, significant alternative names for the topic should be mentioned in the article, usually in the first sentence or paragraph. This is standard Wikipedia practice - we put also known as [alternative name] in the first sentence.

"Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles" was the name used for the franchise in several international markets for several years, including the franchise's commercial peak in the early 90s. I think this is therefore deserving of inclusion in the first sentence.

Yes, we explain why the alternative name was used later in the lead, but that's not the same thing - the alternative name in the lead sentence is used for identification/clarity. Popcornfud (talk) 13:01, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Franchise logo

The Kevin Eastman art isn't representitive of the franchise as a whole, thus I think it should be replaced with the franchises current logo. The current logo used for merchandising and events not related to any particular iteration of the franchise. This has been used by the Paramount+ Twitter and for toys Averyfunkydude23 (talk) 13:14, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

That makes sense to me. It's standard to use logos for franchise articles. Popcornfud (talk) 13:58, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Done. Is the caption I used for the logo fine? Averyfunkydude23 (talk) 11:19, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Looks good! Popcornfud (talk) 11:20, 24 May 2022 (UTC)