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Otakhon Latifi

Can someone work a mention of Otakhon Latifi in here somewhere? The article is awfully close to being an orphan. Ambi 12:55, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

more info website

More info about Tajikistan on http://www.avesta.tj// —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.198.22.2 (talk • contribs) 13:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


Persian/Iranian Wikipedians

Please stay away from this article, let someone neutral edit it! 218.250.195.234 10:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Is that really a neutral comment? Eliethesame 07:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

_____________________________________________ [TAJİKS ARE SOME OF TURKISH FAMILYES just like gokturks,uzbeks,uyghursikazhaks.azerbaidjans,turkmens,and e.t.c.] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.189.21.14 (talk) 17:36, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Correct English Spelling for Tajikistan

I added the section "Correct English Spelling for Tajikistan." It may seem irrelevant, but the incorrect usage of Tadjikistan and Tadzhikistan in English is rampant. I'm right now cleaning up more than 50 wikipedia pages that incorrectly use these spellings and there are 100,000s of incorrect usages spotted in a simple google search. I think it's important to keep this section because it explains why Tadjikistan and Tadzhikistan are incorrect. davestraub 05:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Photograph

Hey, I've added a photograph, I was browsing google images for "geography of the soviet union" and came accross this one, I think it is quite nice and the author allowed it to be licensed under the GFDL. If you disagree feel free to remove it. - FrancisTyers 03:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Jewish references

There appear to be a lot of references to what basically amounts to the handful of Jews in the country in this article. They also appear to be from the same editor. Does anyone else think that most of these references (probably all except the ~600BC one and note of the small current population in culture) are irrelevant? -Drdisque 16:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Tajikistan is an outstanding article---it is a brief, concise and very well written. I very much understand the tendency to maintain brevity and focus. However, I would argue that the Jewish references are appropriate where they occur. Jews are one of the longest-standing ethnic populations in Central Asia, and have historically been concentrated in what is now Tajikistan, spoke Tajik, contributed to culture and commerce, etc, etc. Very unfortunately, this minority was subject to a great deal of antisemitism over the years (some of which was violent) and the population diminished to a very great degree during the soviet years, during the civil war and one could argue even today under the secular administration. The history of the Jews is part of the legacy of Tajikistan. I would say the references could be left in. That being said, I think they could be improved for accuracy and conciseness without lengthening or eliminating. elizmr 17:32, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Please cite cases of the "great deal of antisemitism" including "violent". Also: Jewish population increased during the "soviet years" due to inflow of Ashkenazi Jews from the European part of the USSR. In addition, please explain specifically why three out of four paragraphs in the section describing the history of Tajikistan must include references to only one, and quite minor, ethnic group of all the dozens of ethnic groups residing in Tajikistan. Lotvas 20:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Lotvas, It sounds like my comments might have insulted you. I apologize. I am working in good faith here and never said "must" about inclusion of anything. Here are my points: 1) I understand that Jews are a minor group currently in terms of numbers, but by virtue of the fact that they have a very long-standing history in the area they are not minor in terms of being an ethnic group. 2) The antisemitism of the soviet union, violent and otherwise, is very well documented elsewhere. Tajikistan was part of the soviet union for many years. 3) In reference to post-soviet times, I have read that in 1995 Dushanbe synagogue and Jewish homes were vandalized; I would categorize this as a violent act. 3) If the Jewish pop increased during the Soviet Years due to influx of Ashkenazi Jews from the European part of the USSR and the article suggests differently this should be corrected. I will go in and do that now. I would not consider these Ashkenazic Jews an important part of the historical ethnicity of Tajikistan and would not think that such a brief and concise article should refer to this group at all. elizmr 21:09, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

There was no insult at all. I based my questions on a reasonable test of truth and relevance. I still do not see a reason for consistent spotlight on "Jews" (which you seem to define as Bukharian Jews in this article - in which case your additions to the article should have elaborated to that effect) in the section on the history of Tajikistan. The claim of a "long-standing history" is not nearly as unique to Jews as your references to them in the article. Many other ethinic groups have lived in Tajikistan for as long or longer than Bukharian Jews. A special focus on Jews without regard for other ethnic groups miscommunicates the history of Tajikistan and reduces the value of the article. Unless you can provide evidence of specific unique contributions to Tajikistan (such as contributions of the Russian ethnic group, for example) by the Jewish community that warrant the focus in the article they currently enjoy, I believe the focus should be removed.
As for antisemitism, it does not follow from stating that there was antisemitism in the Soviet Union that there was antisemitism in Tajikistan, especially violent antisemitism. The Soviet Union was a gigantic and extremely diverse country and any claims of violent antisemitism in a place as remote geographically and culturally from known incidents must cite sources or be removed. Antisemitism is quite substantial and identifiable immoral behavior so accusations of antisemitism must not be dispensed lightly and without evidence. This is an article about a whole country in an encyclopedia consulted by millions of people. Therefore, editors should make any accusatory statements responsibly and justifiably. Lotvas 21:51, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Lotvas, your points are well taken. I suggest we go through the Jewish references in the article one by one: 1) History: A small community of Jews, displaced from the Middle East after the Babylonian captivity, migrated to the region and settled there after 600 BC. 2) History: The Bolsheviks would prevail after a four year war, in which mosques and villages were burned down and the population heavily suppressed. Jews and Judaism were heavily persecuted during this time as well. 3) History: The Jewish population further diminished during this time (civil war), due to persecution. 4) Demographics: Bukharan Jews had lived in Tajikistan since the 2nd century BC, but today only several hundred, mostly poor and elderly, remain; most of the other Jews fled to Israel or sought and usually obtained asylum in the USA, and possibly Canada. 5) Culture: Tajikistan is home to a dwindling and mostly elderly Jewish community; their only synagogue as well as their ritual bathhouse, kosher butchery, and classroom were demolished in early 2006 to clear the land for a presidential residence.

I am a Bukharian Jew from Tajikistan and I could tell you that there was alot of anti-semitism. There weren't alot of Jews so we had to stick together. In 1992, my family and I moved to New York, and some to Israel. In the 1930's-1940's, Ashkenazi Jews fled to Central Asian countries to escape the holocaust.

Suggestions: 1) propose leave it as suggested in the first comment in this section by another editor 2) question: Did the Bolsheviks burn down mosques and leave synagogues and churches unassaulted? Propose: change "mosques" to "religious sites" to make the sentence more descriptive of what happened? 3) Would take this very general sentence out for the reasons that Lotvas suggests. 4) I think that a demographics section should make reference to Jews in some way since they were a historical presence and are now an "endangered species". How about tightening it up as follows: "of the historically large Bukharan Jewish population centered in Dunshanbe, only several hundred remain. An active link should be created to article about this population. 5) This is too long for the section. How about changing to, "The last synagogue in Tajikistan was demolished by the government in 2006 to clear the land for a presidential residence" An active link should be created to the article about this synagogue. elizmr 23:58, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Linguistics

Someone edited the culture section's text on linguistics to take out refererences to loanwords as such and changed "Persian Language" to "Dari". The Persian language page mentions Dari and seems more complete, and the referral to loanwords from Russian and Arabic was helpful from a linguistic point of view (ie--loanword=word taken from another language in more or less the other languages form rather than importing a new meaning into an original language by using the original language's words). I'm not sure why this was taken out, but it might make the article less informative and helpful to readers interested in linguistics. elizmr 17:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


Repository of images

Greetings,

I have made an Asian repository of images, similar to the one that exists for Europe. Please complete the part pertaining to this country as you see fit, preferably similar to those of France, Britain et al:

Wikipedia:List of images/Places/Asia

Thanx.--Zereshk 14:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

We should also add the name in Arabic/Farsi script

Tajikistan is making a transition back to Arabic/Farsi script, and so we should add the country's name in Arabic/Farsi script as well. I dont know Arabic script, but who ever does, please make that important adjustment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tajik-afghan (talk • contribs) 08:46, 25 July 2006

No it isn't. There were plans to, but it has stalled. - FrancisTyers · 09:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

See this article from 2002. It is written from a pro-Perso-arabic position, but is quite informative.

Many optimists in the 1990s believed that the Arabic alphabet would make a comeback to Tajikistan in some ten or fifteen years ... Even now there appear from time to time articles by prominent figures flatly opposing the adoption of the Arabic alphabet. For example, Bozor Sobir, a notable Tajik poet who has stayed in the USA for the past eight years, has recently written that it would be a great mistake of the Tajiks to adopt the Arabic alphabet as it is very difficult and not everyone can master it. In the early 1990s, though, such protests were disregarded, and the Arabic alphabet was being gradually introduced into schools along with Persian that was taught as a special discipline. Books by Tajik and Iranian authors using the Tajik Arabic alphabet came to be printed ... In 1992 and in the years that followed, when opposition led by the Islamic Party of Revival was forced to emigrate from Tajikistan, the introduction of the Arabic alphabet slowed down ... The Arabic alphabet, too, began to disappear from billboards, announcements, street signs and magazines. In 1999, a parliament session, on the initiative of the deputies, removed the word “Farsi” from the name of the law on the state language.

- FrancisTyers · 09:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I think it makes sense to add the Perso-Arabic script name because it is the historical script used in the region. For 1000 years this was how Tajik was written, and it wasn't replaced until the 1920s. The earliest writers of modern Tajik in the 20th century would have used the script. It doesn't matter whether or not it will come back into common use; it's a script of historical and cultural significance. Besides, Tajik, Dari and Persian and Persian speakers can communicate together like Swedes, Norweigians and the Dutch. It's practically the same lanuage.
Its like having the Old English name of England on the England article. Unnecessary. It can go in the Naming section if at all. - FrancisTyers · 12:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, except they're not suggesting they revert back to classical Persian language, they're merely suggesting the Arabic script as a re-spelling. And if there were repeated calls at the highest levels of British government for a switch back to Old English spelling, I would suggest we throw that up on the England page too.
It would be a diaster when Tajikistan begins to uses the Arabic script. Arabic-script is not suitabl;e for the Iranian languages such as Tajik, Kurdish etc... and as I have alsways said even it is not suiatble for Persian. This script has corrupted so many Persian words in pronounciation. Babakexorramdin 11:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
If the problem with the Arabic script is that it "corrupts" Persian words in pronunciation, it's FAR too late for Tajik, unless you're suggesting that Tajik has restored pre-Islamic Persian pronunciations through it's use of Saint Cyril's script. At any rate, the "corruption" occurs mostly in vowels (or am I wrong?) which is the ONLY significant difference I can see between "Tajik" and "Farsi". Therefore, a switch to the Arabic script, far from disastrous, would remove from the written form one of the only differences between the two nation's official languages.

So my two cents is that we add it. סרסלי, קײק פּלז (talk) 12:19, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

So, I see that no one is paying attention to this talk page, but the article itself is locked so I can't make changes. After investigating the issue further, I am even more vehemently in favour of adding the Perso-Arabic script.

1. Tajikistan has restated its commitment to the Perso-Arabic switch. [1] 2. Contrary to FrancisTyers's uninformed opinion, it is not an archaic form of the language but a different script's rendering of the contemporary form of the language. 3. It is the script used by Tajiks in Afghanistan, and arguably China, and as such is contemporary in usage for this language, if not official in the language's so-called "home".

סרסלי, קײק פּלז (talk) 06:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I have intentionally not responded to this earlier because I think any response would only serve to blow the issue out of proportion. From frequent visits to Tajikistan (last visit in October 2008) I can assure you that the issue of switching from Tajik (i.e., modified Cyrillic) to Perso-Arabic script could not be further from anyone's mind. By anyone I mean the media, the people in the street, and the officials in Tajikistan. The reference you cite is inherently not objective: this is a report from an Iranian web site, which has obvious interest in promoting the discussion of this issue. Finally, read carefully the statement of the Tajik Deputy Culture Minister: “When we feel that the Tajik people became familiar with the Persian alphabet, we will study the issue”; and also "once the condition for the change is being met". To me this does not read like a declaration of intent at all; to me this reads like a totally non-committal polite formula intended for the consumption of his hosts or interviewers, the Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA). This is certainly not a "restatement of Tajikistan's commitment to the Perso-Arabic switch", as סרסלי, קײק פּלז puts it. I suggest we put this discussion to rest, because the real prospects of changing from Cyrillic to Perso-Arabic script in Tajikistan are unreal. Of course if any individual editors wish to add Perso-Arabic script when and where needed, they are welcome to do it (as has frequently been done so far), but this must always be done in addition to the Cyrillic Tajik script, not instead. In my view, a formal discussion or formal guidelines are not needed: they are simply out of tune with the public opinion and feelings in Tajikistan. --Zlerman (talk) 07:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad you did respond, as it was very helpful. From the things you pointed out, I am forced to concede that this source does indeed seem tainted by the POV of "what Iran wants to hear". However, I was never in favour of REPLACING the Cyrillic script, merely adding Perso-Arabic alongside it in the profile box on the right at the top of the page. I for one am shocked to not find the Cyrillic script in this place on Uzbekistan's page, as the Cyrillic script is a part of their recent history as well as the script used to write Russian (a common language in the Republic whether the powers that be like it or not)
While I proceed over to Uzbekistan's page to inquire as to why it's NOT there, I would still like to recommend the addition of Perso-Arabic script to the profile box on the top right with the reasoning that ethnic Tajiks elsewhere in Asia would use this script to write their language.

סרסלי, קײק פּלז (talk) 06:54, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I beg you: do not clutter the already cluttered and dense infobox with duplicate information in Perso-Arabic script. Please rely on the Perso-Arabic script in the body of the text and leave the infobox unchanged. Readers from Afghanistan and Iran who access Wikipedia read English, and will be able to find the equivalents in Perso-Arabic script in the body of the text. I will address your questions regarding Uzbekistan later if nobody from that area replies to your comments on Talk:Uzbekistan. --Zlerman (talk) 07:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with giving both scripts. It's not a big deal either way. --dab (𒁳) 09:48, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I can't clutter that box, since I'm new to wikipedia as a user and this article is locked. I agree with "dab": We've already got two scripts up there. Couldn't we throw up the Perso-Arabic in very small letters with a note that it's "historical" or something?
Either way, it's not "in the body of the text" in its full form (جمهوری تاجیکستان).
On an unrelated note, I think it's pretty cool that Tajikistan (unlike other Central Asian states) has restored the word "Çumhuri/جمهوری/Ҷумҳури" to their name (rather than the Communist-prescribed "Республика"). I've always found it to be a rather beautiful word.
סרסלי, קײק פּלז (talk) 11:10, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

the problem is, should we consider تاجیکستان‎ as the Arabic transcription of Tajik (tg), or should we consider it Persian (fa)? The intro currently has:

Tajik Тоҷикистон Toçikiston /tɔʤikɪsˈtɔn/, Persian تاجیکستان‎ Tājikestān)

it is unclear why the name should be given in Persian rather than Tajik. I realize the languages are close, but they have two different codes in ISO, and we need to make up our mind. I suggest we give تاجیکستان‎ as a Tajik (tg) string. --dab (𒁳) 16:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Is that a problem? I would think we should consider it Tajik, since this is the article on Tajikistan. Also, without the word for "republic", the name of the country is spelt and (basically) pronounced the same no matter which language we're using, sort of like the name for México in Danish and English. And with Persian to Tajik, I would argue that they are in fact the same language (part of my reason for what would appear to be pro-Iranian propaganda on here) but that's really neither here nor there, because, as you say, they have separate ISO codes (like Moldovan and Romanian).
סרסלי, קײק פּלז (talk) 09:05, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
I must add to this argument the example of Mongolia. Having been to Mongolia, I can assure you that the traditional script is used purely for decorative purposes and is learnt by a respected minority, as well as those who travel frequently to Inner Mongolia. At the same time, the Wikipedia article on Mongolia (both in English and Mongolian) includes the traditional script in the infobox. Now I know what you're gonna say "The Tajik version of the Tajikistan article lacks the Perso-Arabic script!" Well, good point, but STILL dudes... STILL!
סרסלי, קײק פּלז (talk) 04:52, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Karotegin and the RRS

I removed reference to the Karotegin as a province. That's just incorrect. The areas is the RRS, also called the Region of Republican Subordination. There is no article currently written for the RRS, and I think a discussion on the proper title of that article needs to take place before a name for the article is decided. I think "Region of Republican Subordination (Tajikistan)" would be appropriate, but maybe someone else wants someone different like "Region of Republican Subordination (Province of Tajikistan)" or something like that. The map that should be used on the RRS page is:

The provinces of Tajikistan with Region of Republican Subordination marked

.

So what does everyone think? --David Straub 20:22, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Italics in Cyrillics

A guideline on whether or not to italicize Cyrillics (and all scripts other than Latin) is being debated at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (text formatting)#Italics in Cyrillic and Greek characters. - - Evv 16:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Andonis Petanski

...In the 19th century, the Russian Empire led by Andonis Petanski began to spread into...

Who is this Andonis Petanski fellow? I have never heard of him and doing a search on google only loops back to this article or its clones. Searching on yandex.ru (in russian) yields nothing.

Perhaps consider changing to Alexander II (1855 - 1881) ?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Glebonator (talk • contribs) 10:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Tajikistan map

I'm being bold here, so please bear with me. I noticed that the original CIA Factbook map of Tajikistan had been replaced with a new map.

While I agree with the idea that we should improve on maps, I believe the original map is a better one for people who wish to learn about Tajikistan, for two reasons:

1) in the original map, Tajikistan fills the image. In the newer map, Tajikistan is a *tiny* blob.

2) in the original map, Tajikistan's major cities are shown. In the newer map, Tajikistan is a solid green blob. There are no features, cities, or anything else marked.

I realize that changing the map back to the older version may be controversial, so I would like to ask that people discuss improvements to the original map (which is a public domain image) that serve to show not only Tajikistan's position relative to other countries, but also show the details of the country itself. Please post your thoughts here. --Zippy 03:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Resource Allocation

What resources does Tajikistan possess? For example, is there the possibility that there are metal ores, coal deposits, etc... in Tajikistan? Errrr, any oil? The introductory paragraph sound ominous with its brash statement that : "although an observer has characterized the country as having few natural resources besides hydroelectric power and its strategic location.[1]" Unless the observer were a professor, or someone equally quallified to make such an assessment, I would be very dubious about that statement....

--Renalcat 19:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


The statement "lack of natural resources (besides hydroelectric power and strategic location) has hampered its economic recovery" is referenced to www.nytimes.com/2006/11/04/world/asia/04tajik.html , however, this article, while acknowledging there are few resources, makes no such analysis as to what effect this has had on the economy. 81.216.145.11 (talk) 06:28, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Updated picture for the Politics section.

In the politics section I updloaded a new picture of Rahmanov and removed the old one with Ahmadinejad. If you like the old one better, then you can revert it. But I think this one is better because it is newer and has a nice background of the mountains. Behnam 02:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

File:Emomali Rahmonov 2006.jpg
Tajikistan's president Emomali Rahmonov.)
File:Ahmadinejad in Tajikistan.jpg
Tajikistan's president Emomali Rahmonov(r) and Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad(l) meeting at a trilateral panel, along with Afghanistan, to improve relations among the Persian speaking nations (in Dushanbe, Tajikistan, July 2006).

Map reinsertion

The ethnocgraphic distribution map is referenced from a source of usually accepted knowledge. Hence removal as "This map is wrong" should be a) referenced by sources of equivalent or better standing and b) should result in replacement with a better referenced map rather than none. Ethnic distribution in contentious areas is always a matter of dispute - here and everywhere - so Wikipedia should at least try and prodfuce referenced material rather than opinion or claims or personal knowledge. Refdoc 10:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Language

Tajiki is a dialect of Persian. Tajiki is not a seperate language. The language section should say Persian not Tajiki.Dariush4444 20:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I take it you haven't read the State Language Law recently. - Francis Tyers · 20:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Tajik people themselves call their language, "Farsi" (Persian). That is the same as in Iran, Afghanistan, other parts of Central Asia, The Caucauses, and the Persian Gulf. We all understand each other because we speak the SAME language. The name, "Tajik" is more of a national term referring to the country not their culture or language. Dariush4444 18:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like you don't talk to many Tajiks. - Francis Tyers · 10:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Whether or not linguistics professors consider Tajik and Persian to be the same language, the people I have met in Tajikistan will tell you explicitly that they do not speak Farsi, but rather they speak Tajik. Brybry26 (talk) 00:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, the country is in "Russian speaking regions" category. Why not "Persian speaking regions"? Is some nostalgia after the Soviet Union present here?

Most of the people understand Russian language there - that's why it's included in this category. Feel free to add Tajikistan to "Persian speaking regions" also. Nobody would argue with that. Alaexis 17:44, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Do Americans speak English or American? so as people in Tajikistan they speak Persian....... 195.146.46.15 13:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Tajikistan (alternately Tajikistan),

the first few words of the article. Now, are my eyes deceiving me or are those two words identical? Is it just me...... 70.187.219.134 19:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Spelling Errors

As I read through this article, I noticed repeatedly that the name of the country is spelled wrong. Some people continuously are spelling "Tajikistan" "Tajikstan". Of course, it is a common mistake to forget the letter "I" but it is occurring over and over again. The name of the article is "Tajikistan" so if you need to remember how to spell it, look at the title! Just a friendly reminder. I may change a few of the "Tajikistan" spelling errors but not all because I may not see all of the errors. Try and fix the errors as you write and edit some of the article. Thank you for taking the time and reading my complaint/friendly reminder.

Loghead1 20:04, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Samarkand

Uzbekistan

The famous cities of Afrasiab, Bukhara, Samarkand, Shahrisabz, Andijan, Khiveh, Khujand, Navā'i, Shirin, Termez, and Zar-afshan are located here. Many experts point to these cities as the birthplace of modern Persian language. The Samanids, who claimed inheritance to the Sassanids, had their capital built here. From the Greater Iran article.

This part says Uzbekistan was home of the Samanid empire while this Tajikistan article claims that their capital lies in Tajikistan. Can anyone explain it? Mallerd 14:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Their capital was Bukhara (now in Uzbekistan). This article doesn't seem to be contradicting it. Jahāngard 16:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok, the article about the Samanid empire says they had 3 capitals including Bokhara and Samarkand, but it still needs citation. Still confusing in my opinion Mallerd 18:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
This article doesn't say that Samanids' capital was in present-day Tajikistan. Neither of the three cities mentioned in Samanid Empire article is there, actually. Alæxis¿question? 19:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
If none of those cities are in present-day Tajikistan why is Samarkand mentioned in this article then? I admit I don't know much about the Samanid empire and it only brings confusion in my opinion, since I see the that the reference to Samarkand implies that it is in Tajikistan. Mallerd 09:07, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree. Alæxis¿question? 09:55, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
You can discuss it more and more, but Uzbak nation appeared just a few centuries ago, now they consider Temurlan as their national hero, but Temur is known as..If USSR did not divide people by languages, current republics like stans did not exist. And Bukhara and Samarkand could remain as Persian, Tajik, Dari speaking capitals in the region and they will remain for centuries to come as long as the so called people will not be forced to move to Turkic speaking regions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.140.128.203 (talk) 06:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Drug trafficking

Drug trafficking - this sections need to be removed or updated, as much attention is paid to this problem recently. Tajikistan is the leading country fighting against drug trafficking, and what about other neighboring republics. FACTS AND FIGURES —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.140.128.203 (talk) 06:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The neighbouring countries argument is irrelevant. If you believe that this problem there is of similar scale then you should find references and write about it in those articles.
If something has really changed then this info should be added to this section. Alæxis¿question? 06:58, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I've added the amount of confiscated drugs. Alæxis¿question? 07:07, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Provided references prove the significance of this, so to say, sector of economy. If someone think it should be moved somewhere else in the article, moved elsewhere or otherwise changed please propose it first here. Alæxis¿question? 06:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

While drug trafficking, no doubt (& regrettably), is a source of income of Tajikistan, it is definitely not the main source of income, at least since mid-2000s. It is unfortunate that Wikipedia misses the fact that one of the main sources of Tajikistan's income, as a state, and the main source of income of Tajiks, as a people, is remittances from more than a million of Tajik labor migrants to Russia.

I can provide you with hundreds of links to studies suggesting that up to additional 50% of Tajikistan's official GDP figure has been directly reaching Tajik households and how poverty has significantly decreased simply thanks to effecient utilization of Tajikistan's comparative advantage of cheap labor. Here is the IMF surprise study http:// www.microfinancegateway.org/files/35717_file_04.pdf Tajikisitan "has addressed so well the hurdles of transition from a planned to a market economy" and this was achieved "without substantial and protracted recourse to aid (of which it by now receives only negligible amounts), and by purely market-based means, simply by exporting its main commodity of comparative advantage—cheap labor" end of quote.

Also, link [4] Silk Road Studies is inconsistent mentioning "Drug trafficking is one of the major sources of income in Tajikistan" as it does not rely on any statistical source. So this phrase cannot be used as a footnote for Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Behruzhimo (talk • contribs) 15:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Nobody claims it's the main source of income. It's one of them, though.
I agree fully that remittances are very important for Tajikistani economy. Feel free to add this information to the article. You could also include other info about Tajikistani economy as long as it's backed by the reliable sources (like the IMF study you've mentioned). Alæxis¿question? 17:13, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


Alaexis, I have updated some information on drug trafficking and the economy (such as hydroelectric power station projects, labor remmittances). I provided the sources, though I proved to be not that good at the presentation. Some sources are in Russian. I hope you will agree on my additions/updates and won't delete them. By the way, thanks for your efforts in presenting Tajikistan in Wikipedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Behruzhimo (talk • contribs) 15:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your contribution :)
ps. Take a look at my last edits, you'll get a clue of how to make everything look pretty. Alæxis¿question? 17:30, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Categorize Tajikistan

I have noticed that the article Tajikistan is categorized in Category:Subdivisions of Tajikistan and also in Category:Tajikistan. It is very awkward to find the page for Tajikistan listed among its oblasts and districts in Category:Subdivisions of Tajikistan. This category should be removed from the Tajikistan page, but unfortunately I cannot find a line for Category:Subdivisions of Tajikistan when editing the Tajikistan page. Will someone please delete this category from the Tajikistan page (and if possible also tell me why I could not see it)? --Zlerman (talk) 16:18, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

This is because the articles that use this template are automatically included in the 'Subdivisions of Tajikistan' category. Alæxis¿question? 18:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for this important explanation. Perhaps we should remove this template from Tajikistan's "geographic locale" keeping only the relevant categories Countries of Central Asia and Countries of Asia (as, e.g., for Uzbekistan). Do you agree with the proposal? If yes, I can try to remove the inappropriate template (unless you prefer to do it yourself). --Zlerman (talk) 02:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Tajik and Persian

In Tajikistan editors are going back and forth between "Persian", "Tajik", "Tajik-Persian", etc., with reference to Tajik language. Moreover, the changes are made locally, in one paragraph, without attention to consistency with the terminology in other paragraphs and other Tajikistan-related articles. Would someone authoritative please straighten this out once and for all? For consistency sake, the process should also include other Tajikistan-related articles, such as Tajik language, History of Tajikistan, etc. The check for consistency should include a decision about the demonym in the country infotable and elsewhere: "Tajikistani" or "Tajik" (as after the latest editorial change) or perhaps both?

In the same context, I would like to appeal to Russian-speaking Tajik editors to look at Talk:Tajikistan on Russian Wikipedia. A recent change in the Russian article on Tajikistan characterized Tajikistan as an "Iranian state". I think this change needs to be discussed by competent editors before it is accepted as final.--Zlerman (talk) 02:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

  • The 1994 Constitution of the Republic of Tajikistan (article 2) says, "The state language of Tajikistan is the Tajik language". I have corrected the articles Tajikistan and Demographics of Tajikistan accordingly, describing the Tajik language as "a variety of the Persian language" where appropriate. The formula "a variety of the Persian language" is borrowed from the article Tajik language. Hopefully this brings us closer to consistency across the various Tajikistan-related articles. --Zlerman (talk) 13:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

3,000 Metres

My data disagrees. Does anyone else have data that half the country is over 3,000 metres? Tipi Tiki (talk) 16:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Could you please tell us what your data say and what the source of the data is. Then I will try to find supporting evidence either for your data or for the data in the current version of the article. Hopefully we will be able to resolve the difficulty in this way. --Zlerman (talk) 17:32, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Ismail Samani and Saman Khuda

We seem to have an unpleasant confusion between Ismail Samani and Saman Khuda in Wikipedia. In Saman Khuda, the two names are intermixed as synonyms. At least in one place (see Tajikistan#Early history), the famous Ismail Samani monument in Dushanbe is described as a monument to Saman Khuda, while in the article on Saman Khuda it is described as a monument to Ismail Samani. [FIXED 18 September 2008.] Judging by the dates in History of Tajikistan it seems to me that Ismail Samani is Saman Khuda's grandson (or maybe great-grandson). Can someone qualified please try to sort this out? --Zlerman (talk) 07:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Perso-Arabic script, again

Zlerman (talk · contribs) invokes WP:NCGN in support of his wholesale removal of the Tajik names given in Perso-Arabic script. I invite him to point out in what sense NCGN is violated by this. If he can build a convincing case, I will support the removal, but not otherswise. --dab (𒁳) 12:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

  • First let me stress that my "wholesale removal of Tajik names given in Perso-Arabic script" concerns only the present article dealing with the present-day Republic of Tajikistan. I did nothing to the Perso-Arabic script in the articles Tajiks, Tajik language, etc. Now, in WP:NCGN#General guidelines we read:
The lead: The title can be followed in the first line by a list of alternative names in parentheses: {name1, name2, name3, etc.}.
  • Relevant foreign language names (one used by at least 10% of sources in the English language or is used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place) are permitted and should be listed in alphabetic order of their respective languages, i.e., (Armenian name1, Belarusian name2, Czech name3). or (ar: name1, be: name2, cs: name3). As an exception to alphabetical order, the local official name should be listed before other alternate names if it differs from a widely accepted English name.
  • Infoboxes should generally be headed with the article title, and include these alternate names.
The main users of Perso-Arabic script -- the Tajiks of Afghanistan and Iran -- cannot be said to have inhabited the present-day country of Tajikistan, which is the article we are dealing with. They are not the equivalent of the Armenian Diaspora, after all. I therefore think that the Perso-Arabic script, not being one of the official scripts of present-day Tajikistan, should be removed from the article Tajikistan -- although certainly not from the articles Tajiks, Tajik language, etc., where the majority of "the subjects" is in Afghanistan and Iran.
My interpretation of WP:NCGN is that we should be using English and the official language(s) in both the lead and the infobox. If we do not follow this rule, then there is really no limit to the languages that we can put in the lead: for Tajikistan, its names in Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Uzbek, and certainly Russian have as much right to be listed as the name in Perso-Arabic script. You may find it useful to read what I have written here in response to similar issues raised by סרסלי, קײק פּלז in connection with naming conventions for Uzbekistan. Also it may be useful to review the multiple-language country infoboxes on Wikipedia and see what kind of a naming system they generally use. I am sure there is nothing new to you in what I am writing, and I hope that on reflection you will agree with this position. Best, --Zlerman (talk) 13:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
The above comment was posted 7 days ago in response to a specific request from Dbachmann. There has been no reaction since 12 December 2008. I therefore invoke WP:SILENCE to revert the format to what seems to be the consensus version that prevailed for a long time (albeit with sporadic disruptions) until 3 December 2008. The reversion also affected the transliteration introduced by Dbachmann on 3 December 2008. This is justified by the table in Romanisation of Tajik, where j is used in 4 out of 6 systems, and also by a quick comparison of Google hits for Çumhurii Toçikiston (61) and Jumhurii Tojikiston (4,510, including Encyclopedia Britannica). --Zlerman (talk) 04:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Germans in Tajikistan

Who know anything about Germans in Tajikistan? I know a lot of about Germans in Russia, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. But I dont´t know anything about German population in Tajikistan! Please help! I would like to know all about them! Simon Mayer

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.169.247.227 (talk) 19:26, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I remember the house my uncle now resides in (Khujand City) had been built and occupied by a German family. There were many Germans before —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.46.186.146 (talk) 07:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Public and Higher Education

There is unfortunately not enough material about public and higher education. If there is, the page has not been linked. I found a listing of universities and added it to the list of "see Also" links.

I wish someone with enough knowledge adds a section on this and then we can possibly contribute. Sarmadys (talk) 08:24, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Tajikistan

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Tajikistan's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "state.gov":

  • From Kuwait: U.S. Department of State. "Kuwait: International Religious Freedom Report 2006". Retrieved 2007-10-07.
  • From Côte d'Ivoire: Background Note: Cote d'Ivoire, United States Department of State, July 2008, retrieved 7 August 2008 {{citation}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help).

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 18:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Introduction of islam

Regarding the last paragraph is the early history section, there are no references. I am not an expert in wikipedia, I suggest it is rephrased if no references can be found. 

Here is a quote of that paragraph : "Arabs brought Islam by force on an unwilling population in the 7th century CE. The Samanid Empire Iranians also forcefully converted by then to Islam supplanted the Arabs and enlarged the cities of Samarkand and Bukhara, which became the cultural centers of Tajiks (both of which are now in Uzbekistan). The Mongols would later take partial control of Central Asia, and later the land that today comprises Tajikistan became a part of the Emirate of Bukhara. A small community of Jews, displaced from the Middle East after the Babylonian captivity, migrated to the region and settled there after 600 BCE, though the majority of the recent Jewish population did not migrate to Tajikistan until the 20th century."--Ali.elqursh (talk) 19:49, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Russian language

A law passed on 10-07-2009 states that all official documents in Tajikistan musut be in Tajik Persian only. However, the Constitution keeps mentionning Russian as the language for interethnic communication. Since, the Constitution is superior to the law, what's the position of Wikipedia regarding this matter ? Should we keep mentionning Russian language in the infobox. I think Tajik-speaking wikipedians should check the law and give us their opinion. For the time being, I think it should be more prudent to keep the infobox as it was before 10-07.Mitch1981 (talk) 09:13, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Religion figures

Are the religion affiliation percentages correct?. It´s stated that only 2% of the population is Christian, while there is a 7% Russian minority, which I guess is predominantly Orthodox--Xareu bs (talk) 12:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

"controversy surrounds the name"

this is unsubstantiated. Just because non-Tajiks live in Tajikistan, and Tajiks live outside Tajikistan, doesn't mean the name is problematic or "controversial". England is "the land of the English", and I have never heard that the name is controversial just because lots of non-English live in England, or lots of English do not. --dab (𒁳) 07:52, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Tajikistan cedes land to China

"Tajikistan cedes land to China" on BBC

I think this must be added in the article. Can someone with a good knowledge about Tajikistan's history do it?Nicob1984 (talk) 21:03, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree, I was thinking the geography section needs to be updated. Charizardpal (talk) 12:44, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

New paragraph

"Recent Politics

Recent politics in the region has been marked by the lasting influence of a prominent regal family, the MacKoev dynasty, who have governed rural Tajikistan since the Persian Empire fell. The family’s rule has recently been brought into disrepute, however, as the last great bastion of freedom, philosopher, and political idealist in modern Tajikistan, H.R.H. Dilshod M., the Royal Prince, has been linked to major smuggling cartels in Afghanistan, through his family owned cotton networks and trading links (Fox News Report, 2010). BBC World News 2009 reported the leader was further embroiled in scandal when he was discovered leaving one of Prime Minister Berlusconi’s infamous parties, in Milan, with a group of woman he described as “my sisters”. And this has lead to the development of the widely circulated 'Berlusconi-oev' name. According to research carried out by International Affairs Institute at the London School of Economics and Political Science, his political forethoughts are now regarded as the forbearers and cornerstones of modern Tajik life. They note, the people of Tajikistan will look back and say that he was a man ahead of his time. Arguably, he remains a man of dubious character."

By User:Dm86

I removed it because:

  • It does not give inline references
  • It was at the wrong place in the article (should be under politics)
  • I did not understand the relevance of this. I am not Tajik, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia for everyone, so the relevance of each paragraph must be clear to everyone. How is Dilshod related to the current government?

Nico (talk) 14:56, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Infobox

Can please anyone explain what is the relation between the Independence from Soviet Union and the Establishment of the Samanid Empire, as stated in the Infobox?

Thanks, Alex2006 (talk) 09:38, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

New Map

Hello all, I posted a new map, it's better quality and shows Tajikistan in centre. If there are any complaints or suggestions please voice them here. MosMusy (talk) 15:21, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Area

OK... listed in the infobar in the area section is Tajikistan's position in relation to the rest of the world area-wise; it lists it as the 102nd largest country. However, clicking the link shows Tajikistan moved up to 96th. Normally I let these pass as they are mostly only a few very small differences that can be attributed to the classifaction of a country etc. (eg. Hong Kong? Greenland?) - Tajikistan's population, for example, is one out compared to the ranking page. However, six is rather a lot. Any thoughts as to which one to trust and therefore which one to edit? LacsiraxAriscal (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Fake Irrelative Images

the picture has been put as "Tajik children" is not related to Tajik people, what is the source for it?

this is how typical ethnic Tajiks look like: http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/03/11/us-tajikistan-mobiles-idUSTRE5294P420090311 and its source is quite reliable. they lok like ethnic Persians, as is expected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.164.125.160 (talk) 05:45, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

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A group of boys from Tajikistan.

I don't think this picture should be in the article. Personally, I do not believe the boys are Tajik, as they don't look anything like Tajik. I request that this pic be removed from the article. Norum 13:12, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Chiefs of State and Cabinet Members of Government

I'm a little confused with regards to cleaning up current incumbents in the governmental structure section. According to the World Leaders list, there are three Deputy Prime Ministers aside from the First Deputy Prime Minister. Any assistance on where to find up-to-date info would be appreciated! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:50, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

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Anonymous editor (IP) and Russian language

There is no point to change the order of languages while Tajik is the only official language of Tajikistan. Also, See Demographics section. --Zyma (talk) 08:03, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

And Constitution of Tajikistan. None of sources mentioned Russian as official language. It's an inter-ethnic language recognized by Tajikistan government. --Zyma (talk) 08:27, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but your Constitution article is incomplete, and does show Russian as the interethnic language. Which is not a minority/regional recognised language. May not say official either. But either change it from minority recognised regional language to Interethnic in its own category or put it back with its status mirroring Kazakhstan and Kyrgyz Republic. And being anonymous has nothing to do with the sources already present in the article. I read the Demographics section. It's outdated, sorry. (I don't know how else to respond to this) The Lenta article also states that it returns to official status. If you cannot read Russian, then get a translator or translate it. It is what it says.

You inserted your POV and personal analysis into article. That source only says "In Tajikistan, the Russian language returned to its former status". Nothing about the return of Russian language as official language. Again, that source says "This remains the official language Tajik in Tajikistan, and all official correspondence between the subjects of power in the country should be carried out only on it, said the president of the Academy of Sciences of the country Mamadsho Ilolov." The source says the Russian can be used in Tajikistan, but it's not an official language. It seems you misunderstood it or you don't know much info about the definition of official language. That source is reviewed by other editors. Then you came and ignored all previous edits and inserted your personal commentary in the infobox. Neither that link nor other reliable sources recognize Russian as an official language of Tajikistan. It's just a lingua franca, inter-ethnic, business, and recognized language in Tajikistan. You didn't prove your claims and all cited sources are against your POV. --Zyma (talk) 13:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

For one, stop with your ridiculous attitude. For two, you still have willfully ignored the 'regional recognised language' part. Are you going to change that or not? It is not a regional recognised language. Otherwise please provide source for that. And I didn't provide a source because I was TALKING ABOUT THE ARTICLE ALREADY CITED. You are still ignoring everything I'm saying and trying to say I'm inserting my POV into the article. So then let's discuss the wording of regional recognised language. And what link is not reliable? The lenta link? Well, who added it to the article then? I sure didn't. If you want a civil discussion rather than this silly elitism and high-horse nonsense, then directly answer what I've just said. Don't beat around the bush.

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Gender Equality

I recently contributed to this page for a class project. It was regarding the progress of Gender equality in Tajikistan. My I ask why this was deleted ? Vera Sanchez 12/28/2018Isallie (talk) 23:11, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

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Suggestion for section on science and technology

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Lack of good map

To add to this article: a good map at the top of this article, showing where Tajikistan is located in relation to other nations of Central Asia. Why is there none in the current version of this article? That is embarrassing and unencyclopedic. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 06:58, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

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