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Your Georgia map...

...was popular with a number of editors....one just asked me what happened to it when he tried to use it...Can you reload it or fix it? (You said on 8 April that it "wasn't working" at first)...(From 8 April, your map: "A neutral map, showing the country in the centre, format that fits established standards, supported by a few senior editors who have no POV, see talk page for more.") Thanks.DLinth (talk) 14:39, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

It seems like it was deleted, I have no clue why. I will try to re-upload it as soon as possible - I'm away from the computer where I made it so could take several days. But it seems to me all the Caucasian countries have switched to the Orthogonal Zoomed Out Map. MosMusy (talk) 16:56, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Good point....all three should be similar, all three have the Orthogonal Zoomed Out Map, and those maps have the country in question somewhere near the middle, and are not "maps of Europe" for countries in the South Caucasus, so, even though I'd have a slight preference for more zoomed in, they seem fine to me as is.DLinth (talk) 23:37, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Controversial edits without consensus

Hey, I appreciate you trying to help out with the 2010–2011 Middle East and North Africa protests article. But we've had several big discussions over the inclusion of Armenia and Azerbaijan, and there is no consensus for changing the page to remove one or both of them. Please don't remove them without getting that consensus first on the Talk page. Thank you. -Kudzu1 (talk) 03:49, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

You're entitled to your opinion. Please don't make a potentially controversial edit to the article again without obtaining consensus. Thanks. -Kudzu1 (talk) 08:06, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid it is an opinion. Different organizations have different takes. Armenia and Azerbaijan can be considered Middle Eastern under some of those definitions, and because the situation there is pertinent to the article and quite closely related, we have elected to consider those countries Middle Eastern in adding them to the article. Please don't remove them without consensus. Thank you. -Kudzu1 (talk) 08:36, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. The EU has its own motives, like any organization. I know some Armenians consider their country to be European, and some consider it to be Asian, and some consider it to be explicitly Middle Eastern as well as Asian. That's fine. It's an arbitrary boundary anyway, when it really comes down to it. Suffice to say we have different opinions, and I'm sorry that you're not happy. -Kudzu1 (talk) 08:54, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

First of all, calm down. Second of all, there are also editors who agree with my position on this. If you want to argue about Armenia's inclusion in the article Middle East, please go there to do that. -Kudzu1 (talk) 03:25, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Armenia has been considered Middle Eastern in some quarters since long before George W. Bush became president. Please refer to the UN definition of Western Asia, as well as to dictionary definitions of the Middle East and the Associated Press's rule stating that "Near East" (which always includes Armenia) and "Middle East" (which does not always include Armenia) are synonymous and the latter term is preferred, as well as to the history outlined in the article Middle East. I hope this helps. Thanks. -Kudzu1 (talk) 03:31, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: you're going to have to take up your complaint with the editors of Western Asia, Eastern Europe, Middle East, and Greater Middle East and the WP:RS they cite. We did debate changing the name of the article to be more expansive, but this was rejected in favor of using a liberal, inclusive definition of the Middle East instead of a less commonly used name like Western Asia or Greater Middle East (which was, I should note, popularized but not coined by the Bush administration; the term, as it includes the former SSRs in the Caucasus, does predate Bush's presidency). -Kudzu1 (talk) 03:48, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Quoth the Wikipedia article for Europe: "Armenia is physiographically entirely in Western Asia, but it has strong historical and sociopolitical connections with Europe. The population and area figures include the entire state respectively." Those connections are noted in the article. It is also included as part of the Middle East under the "Greater Middle East" definition, which you may not be happy about, but reflects the crossroads status of Armenia. I'm not anti-Armenia in any way, I just don't want to leave out and neglect this country where protests are happening as part of this regional wave even though it has at least as much claim to being Middle Eastern (being geographically in Western Asia and included in expansive definitions of the Middle East both at present and historically) as it does to being Eastern European. And if there were a wave of protests happening in Eastern Europe, I would probably argue for Armenia's inclusion in that article as well. -Kudzu1 (talk) 04:03, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

As I previously said, Greater Middle East was not "coined" by the Bush administration: this academic source notes it was already coming into common usage circa 2000, when President Clinton was still in office. I have no great fondness for the term especially, but we need to be consistent, and Middle East gives Armenia and Azerbaijan as examples of countries that are sometimes considered Middle Eastern by credible, verifiable sources. On a side note, unfortunately the "Impact" article is not well developed and has a very, very low level of editing activity compared to the main article. -Kudzu1 (talk) 04:15, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't include Georgia because there are no protests in Georgia. It would be interesting if there were, as Georgia is geographically and culturally part of Europe although considered part of the Middle East under some definitions, but there aren't. -Kudzu1 (talk) 04:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Um, no. Novikova and others include Georgia, part of which is geographically European as per the standard transcontinental boundary, in the Middle East. But that's an entirely off-topic discussion, as there are no relevant protests in Georgia that I know of. Similarly, a sliver of Azerbaijan is inside the geographic definition of Europe, but the vast majority of both Georgia and Azerbaijan are in Western Asia (sometimes the Middle East). If there were protests in Georgia, I would probably want to include them. -Kudzu1 (talk) 04:41, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

about inclusion of Armenia in the article 2010–2011 Middle East and North Africa protests

I've posted a reply, I wish you all the best to your struggle!  :-) Schwarz Ente (talk) 17:26, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I hope this error can be fixed soon, so Armenia is no longer shown in a false light. MosMusy (talk) 17:29, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit warring

That's three times you've deleted a part of the 2010–2011 Middle East and North Africa protests despite a clear and present lack of consensus to do so and an apparent understanding of that rule on your part. That constitutes edit warring, which is a violation of Wikipedia editing policy. -Kudzu1 (talk) 13:54, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Regardless of how much you think you're right, it's edit warring. What's more, you've removed a plethora of WP:RS on the basis of WP:IDONTLIKEIT, which is not an acceptable rationale. -Kudzu1 (talk) 14:14, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

It wasn't me who put those countries in the Middle East. It was multiple reliable, verifiable sources, which were accepted by editorial consensus before I added those protests to the article in question. Look - we seem to be talking in circles, so hopefully an admin will see fit to help out here, because I don't think you're listening to me and I've listened to you say "I don't like it" literally about 70 times now. -Kudzu1 (talk) 14:23, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

• I have closed the above report without action, as you bring sources and a willingness to compromise to the discussion and have not technically violated WP:3RR. Continually reverting the same material without sufficient discussion does, however, constitute edit warring, and I urge you to be more careful to reach consensus at the talkpage before continuing. The tone of some of your talkpage posts also indicates that you should be made aware that the topic area relating to Armenia has historically been contentious enough that the area is subject to special discretionary sanctions, and that you may be blocked or banned without further notice. - 2/0 (cont.) 09:35, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

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I've placed you on restriction based on the fact that a) you've been warned twice about this (you haven't edit warred since the second warning, but frankly you didn't need a second warning), and 2) you've committed serious violations of the issue since your first warning, including edit warring, sockpuppetry, and a battleground mentality. If you would like to appeal this decision, you may do so at WP:ANI, and I will not be adverse to it being overturned based on community consensus. Thank you. Magog the Ogre (talk) 03:19, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I find this really uncalled for. First off, please tell me where I have been edit warring since that first warning. I have been very forthright in my arguments. My recent one regarding the Azerbaijan map is entirely justified, because every other country with a de-facto region is showing that region in its map, why should only Azerbaijan be an exception? I was instrumental in reaching a consensus on the type of maps to be used for the Caucasus. The person who lodged the complaint against me is an Azeri who is mad that I am pushing for Azerbaijan's map to be changed, which should be done based on consensus on wikipedia. He is trying to push his own agenda against a proven consensus here, all I'm doing is upholding that consensus. Regarding my previous offence of edit warring and sockpuppettry, that was a one time incident for which I was already reprimanded, there's no need to do it twice. MosMusy (talk) 05:19, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

OK; let me consult with another administrator who is both familiar with the issue and non-partisan to it. I'm going to do so privately, but I'll let you know what comes of it and generally how the discussion went down. Magog the Ogre (talk) 05:38, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

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Watch out! Not complaining, just noting here so you can double check in the future! :) Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:25, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

oh sorry about that. MosMusy (talk) 16:35, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Not a problem mate, not a problem. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:41, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

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Hello I am a new user and I saw a grave falsification of history in Azerbaijan page, particularly in history section, we need to fix this as it wrongfully says "In the 2nd century BC, between the years 189 BC and 428 AD the western half of modern Azerbaijan, including the regions of Artsakh, Utik, Syunik, Vaspurakan and Paytakaran, was conquered from Medes by the Kingdom of Greater Armenia"

not only they twisted the fact that all those provinces were part of kingdom of Armenia at that time, they also included Syunik, Vaspurakan which has never ever been under Caucasian Albanian rule!

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I'm not sure what standard you are using, but I included Iran in the Nagorno-Karabakh War conflict information box on the basis that Iran provided Armenia with economic assistance directing related to the strategic circumstances of the war. Thedefenceman (talk) 03:53, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

If we are talking about economic aid, let's not forget that Iran also provided a lot of economic and humanitarian assistance to Azerbaijan. So you must mention the fact that they also did the same to Azerbaijan and not only to Armenia. The way it's set up now, makes it sounds like Iran was actively supporting Armenia in the Karabakh issue, which actually is not so, Iran was rather neutral, but wanted to maintain normal relations with both warring sides. MosMusy (talk) 19:41, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

From my research, the sources I used indicated that Iran's economic support was aimed to bolster Armenia's position in order to prevent a victory by Azerbaijan. One source I cited, even stated this support was done to counteract the Turko-Azeri embargo on Armenia. In Tehran's view, an Azerbaijani victory would have irredentist and separatist effects on the territorial integrity of Iran. Thedefenceman (talk) 00:08, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

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Just alerting you because so far I have seen the same removal of flags on an infobox at least four times in 24 hours, so technically you are violating 3RR. Minima© (talk) 17:21, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

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