Talk:Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Explicitness

While it very well may be true that the sex scenes are "unsimulated", the reality is that they aren't really explicit, you don't see anything that couldn't have been simulated if they had wanted to simulate it. 70.20.219.114 01:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

The point wasn't to be explict. Melvin explained in an interview that they started off simulated, but that the actresses couldn't fake orgasms well, so they started filming the scenes unsimulated, so it would look better onscreen. (Ibaranoff24 09:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC))

Criticism

If any article deserves a criticism section it is this one. Despite throwing acclaim at this film I find most people find it to be barely watchable. Not to mention that due to possible child porn content it was banned in some countries. It is not actually clear if Mario Van Peebles actually had sex with the woman or not from my understanding. Adding a criticism section to this is simply doing the film justice. There is a lot to be critical of and there is also a lot to report about the criticism of this film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.63.68.250 (talk) 04:38, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Mario did not actually have sex with the woman in the opening scene. The "response" section features some criticisms of the film. To turn the article into a negative diatribe against the film would violate Wikipedia's guidelines. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 03:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC))

Gay Content

There seems to be a lot of "gay" content from beginning to end. Was that unusual in 1971? Or notable for any reason under any context from any pov? --72.173.2.163 (talk) 02:05, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

discrepancy in box office take

Why does the earlier part of the article cite $4.1 million, while a later portion claims "$15,000,000+"? 24.86.226.181 (talk) 13:42, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Anachronism

Article in Sweet_Sweetback's_Baadasssss_Song#Legacy stated "Hollywood studios were led to attempt to replicate the film's success by producing black-oriented films such as Shaft and Super Fly." (referred to else where in Wikipedia here: Shaft_(1971_film)#Production) That 'Shaft's production being inspired by, as a result of this movie. However, the novel, 'Shaft' was written in 1970. 'Sweetback' was in production in 1971. The movie 'Shaft' was in production concurrently, in 1971. So 'Shaft' could not have been an "attempt to replicate" the film's success. Both 'Shaft' and 'Sweet Sweetback ...' were both part of an already ongoing trend. Let's remove this anachronism in the Wikipedia page.
B'H. 24.228.89.236 (talk) 17:52, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

In line with the above, i have placed a Citation needed tag on the statement Hollywood studios were led to attempt to replicate the film's success by producing black-oriented films such as Shaft and Super Fly. which is currently not supported by any cited source. I intend to remove this statemnt as unsources and probably inaccurate unless discussion her eindicates a different course. The subsequent statement Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song was credited by Variety as leading to the creation of the blaxploitation genre,... is true, in that the cited article in Variety does say that. However, the reasoning in the above comment by 2422889236x indicates that this is, at best, over simplified and inaccurate in detail. Sweetback may well have been a significant influence on later films, including the ones mentioned in the Spike Lee quote. But there were clearly other reasons for the making of Shaft in particular. We can't say this in the article as it stands, because that would be WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Besides, we don't know what those other reasons were. Can we find a reliable source that analyzes these films and talks about the influence of Sweetback on ;later films, and the sources/inspirations other than Sweetback for Shaft, Super Fly and others? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:24, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Meaning/explanation of "sweetback"

The article states, "The women name him 'Sweet Sweetback' in honor of his sexual prowess and large penis." Can someone explain this? I cannot find "sweetback" meaning penis in any dictionary. 2A00:23C5:FE1C:3701:9068:832D:8716:D697 (talk) 08:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I came across this. Content warning: contemporary slang of the day may now be offensive to some.

Green, Jonathon (ed.). "sweetback (man), n." Green’s Dictionary of Slang. Retrieved 2024-07-18.
Kahan, Benjamin (Spring 2019). "Sheiks, Sweetbacks, and Harlem Renaissance Sexuality, or the Chauncey Thesis at Twenty-Five". Journal of Modern Literature. 42 (3): 39–54. doi:10.2979/jmodelite.42.3.03. JSTOR 10.2979/jmodelite.42.3.03. See "The Sweetback" section, pp. 48–51.
Ayto, J.; Simpson, J., eds. (2008). "sweetback". The Oxford Dictionary of Modern Slang. Oxford University Press. Retrieved 2024-07-18.

Peaceray (talk) 16:38, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I am noting that The women name him 'Sweet Sweetback' in honor of his sexual prowess and large penis. is in the plot section & may come directly from the film. Peaceray (talk) 16:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I also found this:

Knadler, Stephen P. (2002). "Sweetback Style: Wallace Thurman and a Queer Harlem Renaissance". MFS Modern Fiction Studies. 48 (4): 899–936. doi:10.1353/mfs.2002.0076. ISSN 1080-658X. JSTOR 26286254.

Peaceray (talk) 17:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)