Jump to content

Talk:Sweden men's national football team

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Away Uniform

[edit]

This is kind of weird. If you check out this article in other wikipedia languages, about half of them show a different Swedish away uniform. Anyone know who's right? -- Loudsox 02:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To make it easier to find, check out these links: Spanish Swedish French -- Loudsox 02:21, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(The Spanish Wikipedia has since switched to the color scheme we use.) -- Loudsox 02:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just check out the official FIFA World Cup site to see that our scheme is the correct one. – Elisson • Talk 10:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ah ok. Thanks. -- Loudsox 11:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Although, for the 2006 WC the uniform has been changed. Sweden now plays in all yellow (home) and since they havn't yet played an "away" game I don't know what colors that uniform has. --Manos1394 13:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Has it? As seen in many games during the WC, teams have been forced to play in shirt—shorts colour combinations they usually do not use, and which are nor their home colurs, neither their away colours. Sweden'll play in yellow—blue—yellow against England. – Elisson • Talk 13:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The full yellow is an abomination and is not the official uniform. The correct home uniform is blue and yellow, and the away uniform is blue and white. The question is WHY they had to play in full yellow against T&T and Paraguay. Sweden is ranked higher then both of them so should it not be they who must change uniform colors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.251.222.196 (talk) 22:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

2006 World Cup Information

[edit]

I strongly feel that this text is not NPOV, using value carrying words such as "failed to" and "scraped a win". I may not be the best person to edit the text and will thus refrain from doing so. But I suggest someone who has good insight, and is able to write without bias, do a rewrite. -- Manos1394 13:30, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tre kronour??

[edit]

I am not a big soccer fan, but growing up in Sweden I did hear the screams of "tre kronor", not "tre kronour" all the time. Also a google.se search for "tre kronour" yields three results. The search for "tre kronor" yields 5 million plus. Also, the swedish Wikipedia lists Tre kronor as a disambig, but no mention of a nickname for the national soccer team, but does mention it as a nickname for the Swedish national hockey team.. I will leave this here for a bit to see if some more soccer informed people can elaborate, before removing it :) Mceder 02:05, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Tre kronor" (Three Crowns) is the nickname (even though its in Sweden more used than "the national hockey team") of the national icehockey team. Never used for the football team (the hockey team have used "Three crowns" it on the shirts for as long as i can remeber) [1] [2] Chandlertalk 19:13, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Erik Edman

[edit]

"Recent call-up"? Since when? As far as I'm concerned he's only second defender to mellberg in the line-up...? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kallstrom11 (talk • contribs) 16:31, August 20, 2007 (UTC).

Called up to the squad. Nobody says he is certain to start, or even play at all. Sakkura 01:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Correct coaching history?

[edit]

I just started an article on József Nagy (1892) with a source that states he was a manager for Sweden, the two World Cup squad templates below also state he was manager during those... but in this article is just says "1921–36 John 'Bill' Pettersson". Can we get a correction or some clarification? - Soprani 15:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Altered years

[edit]

It looks like someone has had a field day, altering the years throughout the entire article. What is the easiest way of setting this straight? My guess is manual editing, which will take some time. In addition, a have noticed at least one (accidental) flipped date [first international cap: 12 September 1904 (text), 12 April 1909 (box)], which surprised me, since I thought there was an official way of writing dates. The correct one in this instance is, however, 12 July 1908!

Golaswede (talk) 08:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hugo penis licker

[edit]

Here is some coverage of the sabotage of this page where the coach Hugo Levin's name was changed to 'Hugo penis licker', which was printed in the match programme for the friendly match between Wales and Sweden March 3 2010.

Fotbollskanalen.se [3], Dagbladet.no [4], Aftonbladet.se [5].

129.67.168.19 (talk) 09:45, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Recent call-ups

[edit]

When you write "most recent call up", mean you: the recent time the player play a match,~or the recent time the player was a part of the squad? //78.70.223.237 (talk) 17:42, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Competitive Record

[edit]

The competitive records table needs some work. Please suggest a better method of representation(other than the tables that are being used currently) so it's easier to understand. Intwizs (talk) 10:04, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sweden x Denmark

[edit]

Was the last game (11/01) between Sweden and Denmark full international? I saw some information saying that the danish team actually was Danish League XI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:14D:5C35:AB71:4922:2E26:4B23:9ED7 (talk) 20:32, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sebastian Larsson's club

[edit]

In the Current Squad, Larsson is listed as a Hull player. He has, however, signed for Swedish side AIK and the transfer has officially gone through as of June 11. Is it right to update his club to AIK? 79.136.49.171 (talk) 09:15, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for File:Swedish Football Association crest.svg

[edit]

File:Swedish Football Association crest.svg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a non-free use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

-- Marchjuly (talk) 05:43, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rivalry Sweden-England

[edit]

Where did the Sweden vs. England rivalry idea come from? Other than being similarly ranked teams, there doesn't seem to be any particular rivalry, no historic events or contentious decisions/results that spring to mind. It isn't included on this list either: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_association_football_rivalries If there is a rivalry (beyond similar rankings), then perhaps it is more on the Swedish side. I have never heard an English football fan talk about rivalry with Sweden, unlike the obvious ones: Scotland, Argentina and Germany. Can someone back this up, or should it be removed? Note: This is written prior to the 2018 World Cup QF! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.56.22.114 (talk) 03:18, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(I can only guess there may have been some rivalry during the period where Sven Goran Erikssen, a Swede, was manager of the England team and the teams met in the group phases of two world cups. As it was both games finished drawn and both teams progressed both times. I doubt this is a continued rivalry. England have beaten Sweden twice since then, in Euro 2012 and the World Cup Quarter Final in 2018, but this was just a match, not any special rivalry). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.128.136.36 (talk) 09:04, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I had forgotten the Sven connection, which may have added an extra dimension to the fixture at the time. But I agree that it doesn't amount to any special ongoing rivalry. England have had an Italian manager since then too of course. I can't see either nation (or anyone else) getting over-excited at the prospect of the two teams getting drawn together in future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.56.22.114 (talk) 00:22, 12 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 July 2023

[edit]
The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. WP:COMMONNAME states that one should [u]se commonly recognizable names, while WP:NATDIS says to use alternative but still common titles. It's fairly obvious how these both apply here: "Sweden national football team", as users state below, A) is a pretty ambiguous name which is easy to mix up with the Sweden women's national football team, B) isn't even the official Swedish-language name, and C) is largely unused. The Sweden men's national football team is the preferred and presently used name. (non-admin closure) —theMainLogan (t•c) 03:14, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sweden national football team → Sweden men's national football team – Unlike most other nations, where they treat the men's team as the one and only, and call it just "the national (football) team" ("(fotbolls)landslaget" in Swedish) whereas the women's team is treated like an offshoot, the men's team in Sweden is known and specifically called as such ("herrlandslaget") since over a decade by both the Swedish Football Association (SvFF) and news outlets. -- Mango från yttre rymden (talk) 21:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Swedish sources
* SvFF https://www.svenskfotboll.se/landslag/herr/

A few specific articles with dates:

If I search for the current title, I get mostly hits on already mentioned newspapers with my suggested new title. A few other newspapers have written it in reverse order, Swedish: Svenska fotbollslandslaget herr, like Jönköpings-Posten, sv:Norrtelje Tidning, sv:Värnamo Nyheter, and previously mentioned Vestmanlands Läns Tidning, Sundsvalls Tidning and Sydsvenskan. Göteborgs-Posten seems to have stopped using the ambiguous term in February 2017 https://www.gp.se/om/Svenska%20fotbollslandslaget . The only serious publication that explicitly uses the ambiguous name is sv:Idrottens Affärer https://idrottensaffarer.se/kategori/taggar/fotbollslandslaget Seems to be headed by sv:Åke Stolt, an old sports journalist who at least used to be very respected, but likely likes to keep some things as they were for no other reason. Other than that there are a few fan-sites, most of them seemingly old, like https://www.fotbollen.com/sverige/statistik.html and https://fotbollsresultat.com/category/svenska-fotbollslandslaget/ . There's an LGBT site who uses the ambiguous term, but for the women's team, interestingly enough https://www.qx.se/tag/svenska-fotbollslandslaget/

There are two books with the old ambiguous name about the history of the men's team, specifically the first 100 years, both of them published in 2008: https://idrottsforlaget.se/produkt/svenska-fotbollslandslaget-100-ar/ and https://offsidepress.se/book/blagult-fotbollslandslaget-genom-100-ar/. Most publications seems to have abandoned the ambiguous term shortly after.
  • The Swedish Wikipedia article have had the specific name since 29 May 2006.

English sources are more mixed but still leans towards "men's". Official sources, including their Instagram account, and Sweden based sources in general specifically states "men's". A few examples:

One exception I found was https://scandinavia.life/football-in-sweden/, but it looks like it has copied most from Wikipedia, and it doesn't look that reliable, so…
British sources tend to lean a bit on the ambiguous end, but I suspect many of them just reiterates the standard from their own country or Wikipedia. Many other native English sources seem to either use the "men's" label or have a unisex approach, like this: https://theathletic.com/football/team/sweden/ Some not so reliable with "men's" here: https://www.famousfix.com/list/sweden-mens-international-footballers and "sweden.postsen .com/sports/115854/The-men’s-national-team-takes-off-against-Vienna-–-Swedish-football.html#" (I have intentionally broken that link as it might be scam, enter at your own risk)

The current title is ambiguous and largely unused as a specific term. The new title is the official name, I conclude it's the WP:COMMONNAME, and it's WP:PRECISE.

To admin: if this is passed, I will most likely be busy by that time for a long time onwards. Regards. -- Mango från yttre rymden (talk) 21:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose (for now). This is a big question which has been discussed several times before back at WP:FOOTBALL. I think this is a move that makes sense for several reasons, not least because of equality, but we should be very careful to break a well-established Wikipedia praxis. All UEFA teams follow the same naming convention of "X national football team". You write "unlike most other nations", but several other UEFA nations, at least in their official communication, actually use "men's" and "women's", or variations of that. For example, look at Denmark, Norway, Finland, Iceland, England, Switzerland, Germany, Italy etc... The list goes on. As we see, Sweden is not unique. I therefore believe that it would be more reasonable to coordinate a move such as this with, for example, all other UEFA nations. As per WP:CONSISTENT, there is no reason for Sweden to stand out in this sense.
As stated, the term "herrlandslaget" is frequently used in Sweden. And indeed, the Swedish article is called "Sveriges herrlandslag i fotboll". However, this is English Wikipedia and the English sources are, as you point out, ambiguous. Consequently, I'm not sure WP:COMMONNAME holds here. Moreover, you only propose a move for the senior team, but how should we handle all youth teams? And the defunct B team? The Olympics team? The futsal team? All side articles containing managers, results etc? This is a big question, affecting several other articles, and it should be handled with care. I believe that a decision on this matter requires coordination and consensus, and I therefore propose to discuss this at WP:FOOTBALL once again, thus involving more people. This question does not just concern Sweden. // Mattias321 (talk) 11:15, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So you are making a false argument about consistency, mixing in other teams, despite there's already inconsistency in that matter (Canada for example), and then disregard the common name, which is the most important aspect here. Very interesting, to say the least.
We are talking about Sweden men's national football team, no other country, no other class. We deal with this on a per (main) article basis, since the teams are called differently. Only sub-articles are affected, like "history of Sweden …" and managers as mentioned, and such. No other main article. You are trying to make this issue be some sort of list series, and argument for an all or nothing stance, of which all of course will never happen, conveniently enough. And it is false anyway, because as mentioned, they're already called differently, both on Wikipedia and in reality. So yes, this does just concern Sweden. I looked into the Denmark men's national team as well and couldn't find a clear common name there, so no reason to make a move there.
About native English sources, I see that I botched that text part. I was stressed and mixed things up. I meant British sources. Other English sources I've found often include "men's". I have altered the text there.
The consistency argument is very weak, as it can be turned to be about absolutely anything, to fit any agenda. I think it would be consistent to include "men's" in senior men's teams. It would also be consistent to include the word Christian for teams from Christian countries. There's not much substance to that argument. And it's already consistent enough with "nation (gender) national football/soccer team", there's no reverse order or anything like that, or an array of different terminologies.
Seems you are trying to spin this into something it really isn't, to protect the status quo. Very alarming if this is the general stance at WP:footy. This isn't really about equality, it's about commonly recognisable names and common sense. --Mango från yttre rymden (talk) 23:58, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Agree with nom and SportingFlyer. I do agree with Mattias that a wider discussion is needed though but would that mean starting a different RM with all 55 men's national teams in Europe included? I feel it would be easier to have a few test cases to judge community consensus (such as this one) and then move the remaining articles (if that is the consensus obviously). As it currently stands, CONSISTENT only appears to be applicable to the subset of articles for each individual country/territory rather than across all 200+ men's national team articles or even at the continental level as the USA, Canada and Australia are the only outliers. As a result, this should not be a barrier to the Sweden article being moved if that is the conclusion of this discussion. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 21:46, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I get your point, but I'm not sure that "a few test cases" would be a good idea. I fear it just might result in a relatively protracted and confusing transition period. And since this is such a big question, I believe that a wider discussion is needed even before moving only the Sweden article. I just don't think it's very reasonable to move the Sweden article, without simultaneously (or close to) moving the Denmark, Norway, Germany etc articles, when there is no fundamental difference between the countries in this question. // Mattias321 (talk) 22:06, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"We can't move Page Y because Page X hasn't moved/isn't included in the move discussion" isn't an argument to prevent the page being discussed from moving, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. I understand your concern about the overall process though and with the suggestion I've made. Perhaps an RfC on the concept would be appropriate once this discussion has concluded? Either that or a larger scale RM including a few different countries similar to Talk:1930 FIFA World Cup final#Requested move 12 December 2022 which created consensus to change Final to final across the majority of similarly titled football articles (just not too large that it isn't manageable). Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 13:54, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
UEFA does not govern Wikipedia, and consistency is a bad argument as I explain above. --Mango från yttre rymden (talk) 23:58, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
(a bit of an edit conflict occurred, I wrote my reply before Paul posted) --Mango från yttre rymden (talk) 23:58, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, seems reasonable per COMMONNAME. JoelleJay (talk) 02:43, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but out of 211 FIFA nations there are only four exceptions (USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand). "A fairly consistent format with a few exceptions" would be a better description than "no consistent format". Even though this is a discussion about Sweden, the arguments for moving this article applies to several of the other FIFA nations and I'm not to excited about engaging in 206 other discussions about this topic. The alternative to that is to widen the discussion and try to aim for coordination. // Mattias321 (talk) 21:13, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And those exceptions are longstanding given the prevalence of women's soccer in those countries when compared to men's. GiantSnowman 18:43, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not to excited about engaging in 206 other discussions about this topic. You don't have to, because there's no reason to move them all, not even half of them, and there are others who can make that judgement. --Mango från yttre rymden (talk) 23:41, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose specific case. I agree with Mattias321, GiantSnowman and Paul Vaurie that a sitewide agreement is needed and it must apply across all sports. The issue is not so much common name as common sense because one generic solution is infinitely preferable to hundreds of specific ones. Let us face it, the scope of the issue will inevitably extend, in due course, to club teams also. Like the others who oppose this specific request, I will support the inclusion of "men's" in all national sports teams. ManGoBangla (talk) 05:01, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per ManGoBangla and reading into the text of supportive votes makes me think this is clearly not about a few outlier cases. Killuminator (talk) 12:08, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ManGoBangla and Killuminator: Common name triumphs strict consistency: Wikipedia:Consistency in article titles#Relationship between consistency and other considerations. We deal with this on a per subject basis, not per topic basis. --Mango från yttre rymden (talk) 23:41, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Message to closer – Please extend the timeframe for this RM as it clearly needs to be discussed further. --Mango från yttre rymden (talk) 23:41, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I notice that many support the proposed move as per WP:COMMONNAME, but I honestly don't think it's the strongest argument here. Not least because there are multiple sources actually referring to the men's team as "Sweden national football team", "Sweden national team" or just "Sweden" depending on the context. In my book, WP:NATDIS is a much stronger case for moving, but only after a wider discussion ("Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title, is sometimes preferred"). You could therefore definitely argue that Brazil national football team could be renamed Brazil men's national football team, even though they might not have the same tradition to add "men's" and "women's" as Sweden. Otherwise, after performing a similar analysis on the remaining 210 FIFA nations, we could end up with a complete mishmash of "football team", "men's football team", "soccer team", "men's soccer team" etc. By purely looking at WP:COMMONNAME, some of the articles should perhaps even be renamed to a very common nick name like Socceroos, Huuhkajat or Bafana Bafana? Why not follow the example of ice hockey, basketball, handball and tons of other sports? The world does not revolve around Sweden. // Mattias321 (talk) 13:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Another issue with the common name arguments is that in practice, media and spectators alike usually shorten it to the name of the country. Socceroos were a proposed name for Australia's team but that was shot down fairly recently. Killuminator (talk) 19:27, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. I didn't know about the proposed move for Australia. That example clearly shows us why can't only focus on common name here. For me, it seems strange to propose consistency for "X national football/soccer team", but then let common name decide whether or not we should include "men's" or not between "X" and "national". As I said, I don't see why the football community can't follow the same praxis as most other sports, and always add "men's"/"women's". // Mattias321 (talk) 21:44, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support The common name in Swedish supports this. Aneirinn (talk) 02:36, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Janne Andersson still coach of Sweden?

[edit]

He announced his resignation after the match against Estonia. Why is he still being the official coach in this article? With respect to Andersson and Swedish football, Janne Andersson's position should now be considered vacant because he has already left the job. HiddenFace101 (talk) 13:07, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Retrieved from "https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sweden_men%27s_national_football_team&oldid=1229835742"