Talk:Supersonus

Page may be expanded on from info here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonus Mk170101 (talk)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:23, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

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Supersonus

• ... that the katydid genus Supersonus has been considered as having the loudest ultrasonic noise of the animal kingdom? Source: "males of Supersonus spp. call females at 115 kHz, 125 kHz, and 150 kHz."

• Reviewed: Black-chinned sparrow (Kevmin)

Created/expanded by Mk170101 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:20, 4 March 2021 (UTC).

• Article is ineligible for DYK as it currently has 603 characters of prose (it needs 1,500 characters at minimum). Mk170101, please see WP:DYKRULES for more information. There are scripts that can help you check the article length (see Wikipedia:Prosesize or User:Shubinator/DYKcheck). If you can further expand the article in the next few days and would like the DYK nomination to be reconsidered, just ping me here and I'd be happy to review. DanCherek (talk) 04:01, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Given that the hook is very interesting, it would be a great shame to reject the nomination at this time. I'll leave the nominator a message and suggest that this be given one more week while waiting for a response from them on if they can bring the article to standards. If they do not reply or state that they will be unable to do so, or if the week passes, the nomination can be closed. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 14:43, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5 and DanCherek: I have gone ahead and added more prose to the article, in an effort to help pass this nom along, its now over 3,000 characters, though the expansion is technically out of nom date. if requested I can provide a QPQ to accommodate for my expansion if deemed acceptable--Kevmin § 18:31, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Fantastic! I personally don't see a problem, as this nomination was paused in order to allow for expansion, and that has been done. I've added a DYKmake credit for you and will review it later today, if there are no objections. DanCherek (talk) 19:15, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

@Kevmin: Resuming review! Article is new enough (initially nominated by Mk170101 2 days after creation, and expanded 5x by Kevmin today) and definitely long enough, and neutrally written. No copyvio detected by Earwig's tool. The hook is interesting, and the DYK image is used in the article and is interesting as well.

Some points: (1) The second paragraph under "Taxonomy" currently does not have any inline citations. (2) The statement about its noise being the loudest in the animal kingdom is not currently cited in the article (only mentioned in the lead). (3) The phrase "has been considered" in the hook/article is a little vague. If a reliable source has definitely stated this, I'd rather just see it directly stated with a citation, like "has the loudest ultrasonic noise". (4) c:File:Supersonus spp Ecuador.jpg was uploaded with the CC BY-SA 4.0 license, but the source indicates a CC BY 4.0 license. Both are acceptable for use on Wikipedia, but I'm not a media copyright expert and don't know if the difference is significant; I think the correct license should be specified in any case. Same with the Ecuador image. Hopefully all minor issues that shouldn't be too hard to address! Nice work. Best, DanCherek (talk) 04:01, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Not a copyright expert, but just to clarify: CC-BY basically means something may be copied or modified (even for commercial purposes) provided that attribution be provided, whereas CC-BY-SA is mostly the same except that any modifications must also be licensed as CC-BY-SA or a similar license (the technical term for this is copyleft). Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 08:49, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@DanCherek: I have added the missing reference (and fixed an italics issue) to the needed paragraph. I wrote an acoustics section to more specifically cover the call frequency and added a more definitive statement for being the loudest in nature. Keep in mind due to the constant flow of papers being published on Nat Sci topics, nature writers here and in papers actively avoid definite statements when we can, because nature does not have definites. Regarding the images, the licenses differ due to c:File:Supersonus spp Ecuador.jpg being a personal image taken by @Mk170101:, and is not from the PLOS ONE paper.--Kevmin § 17:52, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I would additionally change "loudest" in the hook to "highest frequency":

• ... that the katydid genus Supersonus has been considered to produce the highest frequency ultrasonic noise in the animal kingdom?

I think this is more aligned with what you wrote in the "Acoustics" section and what the paper presents (fundamentally an issue of wave amplitude vs. wave frequency). Everything else looks good to me, so I am approving, though let me know if you disagree with the above. Thanks Narutolovehinata5 for the copyright information and Kevmin for expanding the article and saving the nomination! DanCherek (talk) 19:48, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Highest frequency

What about Kerivoula spp. at ~250 kHz?[1] mgiganteus1 (talk) 16:18, 26 March 2021 (UTC)