Talk:Sufi rock

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The way India has been injected into this article raises questions about motivations of the editors and neutrality of this article given the fact the term was coined in Pakistan for a Pakistani band. — Preceding unsigned comment added by عریاں نشتر (talk) 01:43, 24 August 2016

I don't understand. You seem to object to the sentence, "Rabbi Shergill's Bullah Ki Jaana was one of the best examples of Sufi music admired in both India and Pakistan." That is the only mention of India in this article. Why do you object to it? Rules of enpagement Paine 02:13, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please respond with an explanation, or I shall have to revert all of the recent edits that exclude India, since they were deleted without explanation. Rules of enpagement Paine 02:39, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Claim that Sufi Rock was invented in India is wrong and unproven. Also mentioning names of Indian musicians who have nothing to do with Sufi Rock is a way of hijacking the credit for inventing Sufi Music in favour of India. Unwarranted Indianization of articles must be stopped. It raises questions agains integrity of this site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by عریاں نشتر (talk • contribs) 10:37, 24 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid some of the India removals will have to be returned, such as it being sung in the Hindi language, it being popular in Pakistan and India, the See also links related to India, and so on. You don't have to return any "invented in" references, but the rest should be returned to the article. Wikipedia is based on encyclopedic truth, not on any kind of exclusionism based upon original research or systemic bias. So please replace the neutral references to India that I have mentioned. Rules of enpagement Paine 09:51, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It really would be better for you to do this, عریاں نشتر, because I myself am no expert and so will have to recover the page back to the edit on 14 April 2016. I shall be glad to do this; however, it is you who seem to be the expert and should return the India references to the article except for those that incorrectly show India as creator or co-creator of the genre, "Sufi rock". Rules of enpagement Paine 20:45, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article is being diluted with completely irrelevant artists and links. You undid my edit for removing Arjit Singh. He sang one song that could possibly be classified as Sufi but not Sufi Rock. There is no mention of Sufi Rock music on his wiki page. Why do you consider him an Artist of Sufi Rock? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bilaljsa (talk • contribs) 20:51, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article is in need of those more expert than I, Bilaljsa. I have removed Arjit Singh since reviewing his article at your guidance. It is important to note, though, that the inclusion of some of the links does not mean that Sufi rock is the same as some other type of music, such as Indian pop. It just means that there are influences that helped shape Sufi rock into the interesting and popular music that it has become. Thank you for your help in this! Paine Ellsworth ^u/c 21:55, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for removing Arjit Singh but why did you bring back Javed Ali? He is a worse pick than Arjit Singh. All Javed did was write an article about Sufi music and sang one song on the radio. All these links were added by one IP address at one time without giving any justification; but I have to give you an explanation for removing each one? Bilaljsa (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You do not have to explain each one to me, because I trust your judgement. Just please remember that it would be an injustice to our readers to remove all the links that were previously removed. Paine Ellsworth ^u/c 00:21, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]