Talk:Stefan Vladislav II/Archive 1

Archive 1

Ban of Slavonia

This is list for Slavonia during period in question:

• Henrik Gisingovac 1291
• Jakov Kopas 1298. - 1299.
• Ladislav od plem. Ratold 1300.
• Henrik Gisingovac 1301. - 1309.
• Stjepan Babonić 1310. - 1316.
• Ivan Babonić 1316. - 1322.
• Nikola Omodejev 1322. - 1324.

Problem solved.--Rjecina (talk) 12:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Between 1291 and 1298 then? BTW Is that from that encyclopaedia printed in NDH in WWII? --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 12:55, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

You are right [1] but this list is standing until we find other source .... You will see that there is many years when nobody has been ban (in this list) --Rjecina (talk) 12:59, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I it is very sad that we don't know anything about our history. The most accurate data for the years from 1225 to 1476 is - the number of Bans: 52 (!) and that data is just stated for most of the time, without precise names. I hope further research can be done with this... --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 13:02, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Name

Gbooks  Partly done:

• "Vladislav"
  • "King of Sriem" [...] Dragutin's son Vladislav
  • John Van Antwerp Fine has him indexed as "Vladislav (son of Dragutin)"
• "Stefan Vladislav II"
  • "Стефан Владислав II" (17)
    • Краљ Стефан Владислав II - Miloje Vasić, Petar Popović, Dobrila Gaj-Popović 1975
    • Стефан Владислав II, син Драгутинов, краљ - Dragoslav Srejović, Slavko Gavrilović, Sima M. Ćirković 1892
    • Стефан Владислав II, краљ - Miloš Blagojević, Sreten Petković 1989
• "Vladislav II"
  • "Владислав II" (4)
    • Владислав II, српски краљ, син краља Драгутина - Ćirković 1964,
    • Владислав II - Srpska akademija nauka i umetnosti 1956,
    • Краљ Владислав II - Sreten L. Popović 1950
    • Драгутинов син краљ Владислав II - Momčilo R. Radojević 1971

--Zoupan 06:04, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 2 July 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: move the page to Stefan Vladislav II at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 17:03, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

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Vladislav, King of Syrmia → Vladislav II Nemanjić – The actual title is artificial and cannot be verified by a reference to a single book [2]. The proposed name is applied by a study published in English and dedicated to Vladislav II Nemanjić's life ([3]). He is mentioned simply as Vladislav or Vladislav (son of Dragutin) in other specialized reliable sources ([4], [5]). Borsoka (talk) 15:28, 2 July 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 16:24, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

• Borsoka, Many titles on Wikipedia are artificial. In this instance it should by rights be titled Vladislav (which is a set index article). 'King of Syrmia' would then appear to be the disambiguator. Vladislav II Nemanjić is quite complex and would not be the logical title for anyone not well versed in the subject. Consider how Vladislav (king of Syrmia) or Vladislav (Syrmia) or Vladislav II of Syrmia could be used. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 12:37, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you for your above remarks. My concern is, that he is not mentioned as King of Syrmia in a single reliable source. Sorry, I do not understand why is his proper name complex? Why would not it be logical? Borsoka (talk) 12:42, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

• I personally think it's fine, the main complexity is the "ć" letter which is not in the English alphabet, and the fact that Nemanjić is not an intuitive name to native English speakers. I don't think many people are watching this since no one has commented during the RM period, so I am happy to move it if you still think Vladislav II Nemanjić is the best title. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 12:50, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you. I think we could wait one more week. We are not in a rush. Maybe other editors could also comment the proposal. Borsoka (talk) 16:16, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok that's fine by me. I will relist. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 16:24, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

I've fixed your failed relisting as nobody here objecting to you relisting it despite your participation in this RM. Iffy★Chat -- 13:55, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

• His regal name was "Стефан Владислав II" and therefore current title of this article should be moved to Stefan Vladislav II, per consistency with Stefan Vladislav I (1234-1243). Sorabino (talk) 13:16, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

• Thank you for your proposal. Could you refer to a reliable source to verify the proposed version? Borsoka (talk) 17:10, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

• Here are some hits from literature, for the term "Stefan Vladislav II" on Google Books Search. Sorabino (talk) 05:56, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

• The nominator actually provides a source that verifies the present title: the second link. On p. 47 it reads: "Dragutin handed over the authority to his son Vladislav [the Hungarian ruler] taking the oath of the vassal fidelity of the new 'king of Srem'." That is, of course, just King of Syrmia. It seems that we have one name in universal use—Vladislav—and several legitimate ways of disambiguating it. I don't mind the proposal, but am concerned that the title "King of Syrmia" not be scrubbed from the article entirely. Srnec (talk) 02:55, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

• Yes, it was his father's informal title, as it is also explained in the same source (on page 37). Stefan Vladislav II would be acceptable for me. Borsoka (talk) 16:43, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

• Vladislav, King of Syrmia → Stefan Vladislav II then. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 18:02, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

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