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Requested move 23 March 2020[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was proposed in this section that Statue of Thaddeus Kościuszko (Washington, D.C.) be renamed and moved to Statue of Tadeusz Kościuszko (Washington, D.C.).

result:
Moved per consensus garnered below. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 09:30, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Statue of Thaddeus Kościuszko (Washington, D.C.) → Statue of Tadeusz Kościuszko (Washington, D.C.) – WP:VAMOS has been updated and now says: "For portrait sculptures of individuals in public places the forms "Statue of Fred Foo" "Equestrian statue of Fred Foo" or "Bust of Fred Foo" is recommended, unless a form such as "Fred Foo Memorial" or "Monument to Fred Foo" is the WP:COMMONNAME. If further disambiguation is needed, because there is more than one sculpture of the same person with an article, then disambiguation by location rather than the sculptor is usually better." Tadeusz Kościuszko Monument (Washington, D.C.) is also an option, per this source and Category:Monuments and memorials to Tadeusz Kościuszko, but I'd prefer to see evidence this is the most commonly used name. --Another Believer _(Talk) 00:25, 23 March 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. BD2412 T 18:37, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: originally Brigadier General Thaddeus Kosciuszko → Statue of Tadeusz Kościuszko (Washington, D.C.), then closed as Moved to Statue of Thaddeus Kościuszko (Washington, D.C.) by BD2412 T 16:34, 30 March 2020 (UTC), then reopened and relisted per Post-closure discussion below. P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 09:19, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Statue of Thaddeus Kościuszko (Washington, D.C.). In an American context, especially the 1910 American context when this statue was made, he's known by his more Anglicized name that he served under (akin to how nobility who reigned in different countries might be known by different names in different contexts). ~~Picture even shows that the accent is not included in statue inscription.~~ (EDIT: See below, actually it does have it.) So regardless of the title of Kosciuszko's main article, for the article on this specific statue, stick with whatever it uses in its inscriptions - the Anglicized "Thaddeus." SnowFire (talk) 20:58, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
There are inscriptions reading KOŚCIUSZKO and GENERAL THADDEUS KOŚCIUSZKO/ 1768–1817/ SON OF POLAND, in both cases with the diacritic mark. It's very small, but it is there. Ham II (talk) 19:27, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, I couldn't make out the tiny accent before; thanks, it's more clear in the full-size versions. Adjusted proposal, then. SnowFire (talk) 20:31, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination, Ham II, SnowFire and Necrothesp. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:14, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Post-closure discussion[edit]

The parent article for the individual depicted is Tadeusz Kościuszko. @Necrothesp and Ham II: Were your votes in support of the name used in the original nom or the name suggested by User:SnowFire? @BD2412: Bringing this to your attention as well. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:48, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Roman Spinner: Can you clarify your preferred title as well? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:49, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My preferred title was clearly Statue of Tadeusz Kościuszko (Washington, D.C.). Frankly, I'm not sure why it was moved as it was. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:52, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I read Roman Spinner's !vote including per Snowfire, and Ham II's posting of the inscription spelled this was, as endorsing the alternative move target proposed. BD2412 T 17:09, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
BD2412, Based on comments here, I think more discussion is needed. Can you re-open the discussion? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:15, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted. BD2412 T 18:37, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
BD2412, Thank you, ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:52, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I stated my piece above, but I prefer the existing title that matches the inscription of the statue itself. For an analogue, look at Moctezuma_II#Portrayals_and_cultural_references; not all usages match the Wikipedia title of "Moctezuma II", and that's fine. SnowFire (talk) 17:12, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I was undecided between Tadeusz and Thaddeus (but not on Kościuszko), so I hadn't yet casted a vote – sorry, I know that must be unhelpful. I can see that my quoting an inscription that reads THADDEUS would seem like an endorsement of using that form of the name, so sorry for not making myself clearer. I too think that the move was unjustified at this stage. Ham II (talk) 17:42, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I should have been more specific in my original vote which was intended to express unequivocal support for the form submitted in the nomination — Statue of Tadeusz Kościuszko (Washington, D.C.), as seconded by Necrothesp. Tadeusz Kościuszko is Poland's pre-eminent national figure and his name, in its Polish form, appears within main title headers of various Wikipedia articles — Tadeusz Kościuszko Monument, Warsaw / Tadeusz Kościuszko Monument, Kraków / Tadeusz Kościuszko Monument (Chicago) / Tadeusz Kościuszko University of Technology / Tadeusz Kościuszko Land Forces Military Academy / 1st Tadeusz Kościuszko Infantry Division, etc. It may be also noted that the US stamp honoring Kościuszko renders his surname with the diacritic over the "s". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:01, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Resulting redirects[edit]

Brigadier General Thaddeus Kosciuszko should redirect to the article on the general, not his statue as at present IMO. Andrewa (talk) 22:32, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To editor Andrewa: just fyi, this has been done. P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 09:53, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I didn't feel I should do it unilaterally without giving opportunity for comment. But in that nobody spoke against it I'd accept that as consensus. Andrewa (talk) 14:29, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]