Talk:State Route 343 (New York−Connecticut)

Corrected route description (bold intro). Had 304.

This article was changed to bring its intersection template to the NYint format. No other changes were made. It is important to verify, update and/or correct as necessary. Fwgoebel 21:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Comments

Just a few comments on the lead as you work on this (more later):

• "The route used the Dutchess Turnpike for its entire length, along with the nearby U.S. Route 44." This has a double meaning and I can't determine which it is. You could mean that US 44 also uses Dutchess Turnpike, or that NY 343 also uses US 44.
• "It was a major transportation route at the time ..." At what time?
• "Several landmark locations ..." Why not just "Several landmarks ...?" --Laser brain (talk) 03:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I've tried to address the issues above. --Polaron | Talk 04:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

More:

• "Along with the nearby U.S. Route 44, Route 343 used the 19th-century Dutchess Turnpike for its entire length." Still doesn't make sense to me. Double meaning.
• What's the status the images in the intersections table issue? I keep seeing pieces of discussion but I haven't really followed it. If the trend is to remove them, I would recommend doing so before you list it at FAC.
• I would de-link "1947" in the lead.. serves no purpose.
• "Route 343 begins at an intersection with NY 82 (formerly also U.S. Route 44)" Unclear.. could mean that NY 82 was formerly also called US 44, or that the intersection used to also be with US 44.
• "The road heads eastward, intersecting with an old routing of Route 82 ..." The "with" is unneeded.
• "Route 343 continues through fields, residential homes and farms ..." It goes through homes? Recommend "past" instead of "through".
• "Soon afterward, at the intersection with County Route 99, it then turns to the southeast for a distance." The "then" is unneeded.
• "As it enters Dover Plains, it makes rapid turns in direction." I think either "rapid turns" or "rapid changes in direction".
• "Routes 343 and 22 head to the north out of Dover Plains through..." "Head north" will suffice. We also have the "through homes" problem again.
• "Route 81 merges in as the main roads ..." Just "merges", not "merges in".
• I realize you might have been trying to maximize the prose since it's short, but some of the detail like going past a "small stream" or "pond" seems excessive.
• "44 and 22 continue to the north, with Route 343 heading eastward towards the state line." The "with <noun> -ing" construction is ungrammatical.
• "The road, known as Amenia Road, heads northeast towards the town center ..." What road?
• "Stone statues that marked the way to different places including New York City, Fishkill and Boston were put up along the road during the Revolution, helping with suppliers of salt from Boston." This is actually a really interesting fact.. any more info available? Photos?

Great start. I think it's definitely a solid GA as it stands but needs a good copy-edit before the prose will be up to FA standard. A lot of what I pointed out are little fixes that I could have easily made myself, but I wanted to give you examples of what to look for. Look forward to seeing it at FAC in the future. --Laser brain (talk) 23:03, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:New York State Route 343/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

It is reasonably well written.

a (prose): ? ] b (MoS):?

• A. Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings), headings generally should not repeat the title of the article.

• Done.

• B. Several landmarks along the way include the Wassaic State Multiple Use Area on the 343/22 concurrency, Beekman County Park in Amenia and the Troutbeck Conference Center, a large center off of Route 343 in Leedsvile, a hamlet of Amenia is a long sentence and hard to read.

• Done.

• C. Can the road both intersect and become concurrent with.. (both? shouldn't it be either or) as in this statement... There, Route 343 then turns to the northeast and intersects with NY 22, the road it becomes concurrent with it.

• Yes, that wording is redundant. Will be fixed.
• Done

• D. IS Wassaic a county, town, hamlet? As in.... The two roads continue northward, intersecting with County Route 81 south of Wassaic

• See response to G. Will qualify all place names for clarity.

Thank you

Done

• E. Be consistent...it is just referred to as Millbrook Golf and Tennis Club, but latter the grammar says the Silo Ridge Country Club. Use the consistently or remove the before the naming of clubs consistently.

• That's because they are 2 different clubs at least 13 miles apart.

Sorry, yes I see that, what I was referring to was the word the use the word the before both clubs or don't use the word the.

Done

• F. Is Amenia a town, hamlet, county, what size nowadays? There is only one county listed in the infobox. It is listed that Leedsvile, a hamlet of Amenia, so does that make Amenia a county? Later in the article it is stated that it is the hamlet of Amenia. Is there more than one Amenia?

• Amenia is a town that contains several hamlets including Leedsville, Wassaic and same-named Amenia.

Ahh, I understand better now. It is not the same here (Canada) thanks for the clarification, we have different definitions for our towns/hamlets, and that could not occur here. Thank you very much.

• G. What is the pertinence of adding the section in another state...Connecticut Route 343?

• The case in this is because CT 343 is only 1.5 miles long and had the same history mainly as NY 343.

• H. Were factories or milk produced in the 1860's? There were also a few factories along the route, including one for the Borden's Eagle Brand Condensed Milk, which was produced in the 1860s

• The article, Borden Food Corporation proves it.

Excellent. This part wasn't about the reference or citation but rather the wording. Could it be changed so that it is clear that condensed mild was that which was produced, as it is written the last phrase relates back to the first about the factories.

Done - sentence has been rephrased for clarity.

• I The section which delves into the highway's number and route name changes is a tad hard to follow, if it could be re-written it would be good. It is accurate, but needed a couple of reads to understand what was being conveyed.

• Will try to work on this.

Thank you, I didn't have suggestions, but if anything is done, it is a big help

Done - designation subsection of History has been rewritten. Hopefully the new version is easier to understand. --Polaron | Talk 02:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

• J Can the highway marker symbols and shields in the intersection route box be added to this article?

• This issue is currently being discussed at WT:USRD. Some people interpret the use of shields as decorative.

OK, will leave the verdict of this comment to be the result of the above discussion.

See indented replies above. --Polaron | Talk 03:58, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

It is broad in its coverage.

a (major aspects): ? b (focused):?

• A. As the AADT Annual average daily traffic, is supplied by reference 1, it would be a good inclusion.

• Will do.

Done - AADT and functional class information added at end of route description.

• B. The third citation shows 343 following along the old railroad grade. Which railway, this probably made it easier for the early horse grading crews to grade and pave the highway in the formative years.

• A bit unnecessary, don't you think?

OK, will leave this point... My rationale... If you look at Interstate 70 in Utah it talks of the red river cart trail precursor, as well as the rail precursor. And if you were member of a road construction gang in the days of horse and grader, the grading of the rail bed paralleling the road made life easier than breaking new grades and ground.... So just a historical construction connection item is all this point would be.

What you are saying is true and is indeed appropriate for a highway article. However, the portion that follows the old railroad grade is along the overlap of Route 343 with Route 22. Route 22 originally used Amenia Road (CR 81) on the other side of the Ten Mile River. Route 22 (including the overlapped portion of Route 343) was later relocated to use a newly constructed road utilizing the railroad grade. But this information is more appropriate for the history of Route 22 rather than here. --Polaron | Talk 03:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

• C. The creation of Lake Amenia from the dam site 1922-1950 as well as Hurricane Diane probably would mean spring flooding would cause the dirt road to wash out several times before construction of roads after WWII. From Armenia Parks page citation. Is there more information about these early years, and the struggle to maintain transportation? Citation 5. Prior to the 1930s Lake Armenia district was known as a resort community, was there an increase in tourism? Citation 9

• This is covered in Beekman Park's article.

OK. I see that. This featured highway article M-35 (Michigan highway) gives a brief blurb of The Heritage Route / parks which was an important consideration for the tourism that the Michigan Department of Transportation (MDOT) mentioned it in its press releases.

• D. It would be good to have an idea of the community this short highway serves...as early as 1710, the Armenia county was home to an amazing 450 residents. How many nowadays?

• Why? It's not necessary.

See comment below about roads and population/economy.

• E. The 1777 flour embargo along the route, which was transported by sleigh in exchange for salt may be an interesting inclusion pertaining to the traffic along the route in the early days.
• F. How long were the lead mines in use, and was this route a thoroughfare for folks traveling to work?
• G. General economy of the area. lead mining is mentioned, a sawmill, factories, the 1809-1819, Amenia mines, and Leedsville iron ore forging plants, Steelworks, sheep, cattle, wheat, Leedsville Woolen factory, buying an acre and a half of land for farming is mentioned in early history, Is farming the main economy today as well?

• Things like this are not used in road articles.

This featured highway article Interstate 70 in Utah includes how the road and economy affected each other. ie quote from the article ... Previously these were isolated farming communities, unaccustomed to the crime and other effects that a transcontinental highway can bring. This featured highway article speaks of the need of planning the construction of the highway in regards to accidents, speed limits and other considerations...[[Kansas Turnpike] This featured article Kansas Turnpike tells of the weight allowed on the highway, what the sections of highway were constructed of for the weights on the highway, and other highway or civil engineering considerations.

This featured article M62 motorway also speaks of how the highway did not serve the needs of the area...quote from that article...The route of the Lancashire-Yorkshire motorway was also considered inadequate as it failed to cater for several industrial towns in Yorkshire This article also discusses the construction problems which related to the geophysical nature of the terrain as well as the demographics and AADT which the highway serves, and how it got over its growing pains. This route M62 motorway also discusses that it is the M62 corridor an synonym for Rugby heartlands in the Impact upon culture section.

• H. History should include the first post office in the area was not until 1823, and post was delivered by hand, and the area had no stage coach. The 1805 beginnings of the Dutchess turnpike was named the shunpike Is the 343 the route historically referred to as the OBLONG road with mile boards to New York?

• The Shunpike being referred to is an even older road that is now Dutchess County Route 57. It became a way to avoid traveling on the Dutchess Turnpike when the turnpike was built. The Oblong road refers to Route 22 within Putnam and Dutchess counties.

Thank you. This then should not be included in this article, but rather in those articles.

• I. Citation 8 mentions old highway department signage near two historical places, the stone walls sheltering the 1750 Amenia burying ground and the remains of a tiny, red one-room Indian Rock Schoolhouse.
• J Citation 8 mentions that the Wassaic Developmental Center was used as a state training facility for 3500 mentally disabled, but now offers acres of land for hunting, hiking, camping and fishing grounds.

• Not necessary - This will eventually have its own article.

OK, but I am trying to imagine the highway traffic near a mentally disabled training facility VS the camp grounds, would either produce an increase or decrease in what type of vehicle.

As before ... rationale for my comments about travel on highway and culture.

• K Early travelers of the route would not view the Millbrook Golf and Country Club, but rather Willets Academy. Citation 8. When did the change take place for travelers, or visitors, users of this site.

• Not necessary, again - Again, will be covered in its own article.

• L Amenia's name, (Latin) Pleasant place, was first named Payne's Corners, Wassiac, or Washiac, or "land of difficult access," did any of the other places have other names?

• I think Dover Plains is its original name.

Just a query here...why was Wassiac the land of difficult access? What made it so hard to get there, and did the highway help?

The name Wassaic had been used by the Native Americans living there since before colonial times. It's most likely because of its location along a steep hill.

• M The image shows the highway as a 2 lane undivided highway, is the for the entire route? Can such be stated somewhere in the article. The image shows limited or no shoulders to the highway, is this for the entire route as well?

• This is impossible to answer until Google Street View gets to NY 343. I don't understand why NYSDOT doesn't post things like that.

My microsoft Streets and Tips map software also shows it as 2 lane.SriMesh | talk 01:00, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Understandable. Will suffice that this will be added when information is gleaned in this regards.

Satellite views appear to show two lanes throughout but I can't be sure.

For above points...The population and economy are items that the Department of highways and / or County Planning Commissions would take into account when deciding how to allocate money for road repair, construction, upgrades and improvements. The AADT is important in this regard, as if no one is using the highway why upgrade it, but if the AADT shifts from 500 to 5,000 vehicles per day because of a new tourism facility, mine, industry, it makes a huge difference to the budget which all of a sudden cannot do the repairs to a pot-holey road, or to change a highway from 2 lane to 4 lane or from undivided to divided if the AADT shifts from 5,000 to 50,000 per day and there are a bizzillion and two accidents occurring. The AADT increases with population increases and economy increases, and decreases if the factory goes bankrupt. Which is why population served and economy of a highways's area is important or why make the highway in the first place if it does nothing. If huge semi trucks travel the route or just cars and commuters to school and work or trucks hauling grain or ore, makes a difference to civil engineers planning the highway foundation, and how many weigh scales are on the route. Which is why I asked about the evolving economy, city/town sizes to see if lead / iron ore hauled to steelworks plants affected the roads, or did the rails do that there?

Will allow leniency in this regards till appropriate citations can be found, but keep an ear to the ground about how the highway affects the community and vice versa, as they go hand in hand. You can't have a resort, golf course, rugby stadium out in the middle of a field, with no highway access, no one could get to it. And similarily, a highway running merrily along with no where to go, no towns, no sites, no factories, no businesses, schools, would have nobody traveling along about it, the higher the economy/population, the more the traffic and what type of traffic. Engineers have to make a different road with weight allowances for semis and farm trucks than for family sedans. Kansas Turnpike

Images

It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. Pass

Can image named Image:NY 343 after terminus.jpg be straightened out with horizontal horizon line and up and down trees and signage?

Neutral

It follows the neutral point of view policy. Pass

Stable

It is stable. Pass

References

It is factually accurate and verifiable.

a (references): Pass b (citations to reliable sources):Pass c (OR): Pass

Can the google book references which are online transcriptions also have the page numbers added?

Overall

Overall: on hold

This is a nice piece of work, but it still has some shortcomings with respect to the good article criteria.

Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved. After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again. If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work so far.

Good luck improving the article SriMesh | talk 04:41, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Replied to comments above. Once the issues which can be addressed with citations available, which the editors have said can be done, will pass the article as it does follow along the featured NY articles which have been passed. Will watch to see if, in the future, additional information can be found about the highway planning and construction aspects regarding highway traffic volume and traffic types upon the route.

Pass to GA

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database

7 landmarks are located along this route. This database places Rte 343 in Region 8, County 2, Dutchess County, County segment or county order control 011. All are REC 3 They are located at mileposts:

Milepost	Landmark	Blk1		Ref Marker
0	Rts 44 82 MIllbrook		343 82011000
1.46	Village Millbrook		343 82011015
7.12	Rt 22 Spur	060330	343 82011071
7.67	Start Rt 22 Overlap	060430	343 82011077
10.56	CR 81	060530	22 82041201
14.96	Rt 44 End Rt 22 Overlap	000230	22 82041245
18.45	Conn Stqate Ln End 343	060630	343 820111185

So in the other database table...

GISRTE	RTE	LTR	REG	CO	COC	BMP	EMP	LEN	STAHIG	RESIDE	RD	NUMOFL	PAVWID	SHOWID	SHOTYP	SURSCO	MEDWID	MEDTYP	SURTYP	BASTYP	SUBBAS	TERTYP	ARETYP	CULTUR	PERPAR	PASSIG	TRK	TRAFYR	DHV	AADT	FUNCLA	HCC	YS	YLW	ACCCON	ARC	VC	NATHIG	F	SI	SG	AI	AG	WD	S81	S82	S83	S84	S85	S86	S87	S88	S89	S90	S91	S92	S93	S94	S95	S96	REC	REFMAR	TANTRU	BLK1	TRKYR	WORTYP	OLAP	BLK2	PAVTYP	S97	S98	S99	S00	S01	S02	S03	S04	S05
343 8201	343		8	2	011	0	0.11	0.11	1114	824	1	2	24	10	4	7			4	7	2	2	1	6	0	00	05	**	0068	01112	07	0	6	98		102	0067	9							8	8	9	9	7	6	K	9	9	9	8	7	7	7	7	7	1	343 82011001				1		3	A	6	U	K	9	8	8	7	7	7
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343 8201	343		8	2	011	0.24	1.46	1.22	1722	824	1	2	22	6	5	7			4	5	2	1	2	2	0	00	05	**	0068	01112	06	0	6	98		078	0087	9				X			9	6	7	7	6	6	K	9	8	8	8	7	7	7	7	7	1	343 82011014				1		3	O	6	U	K	9	8	7	7	7	7
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343 8201	343		8	2	011	6.45	6.99	0.54	1722	824	1	2	22	6	4	7			4	6	2	1	1	2	0	10	05	**	0068	01112	02	0	6	98		094	0072	9						X	8	6	7	7	5	5	K	9	8	8	8	7	7	7	7	7	1	343 82011071				1		3	O	6	U	K	9	7	7	7	7	7
343 8201	343		8	2	011	6.99	7.26	0.27	1722	824	1	2	22	6	6	7			4	6	2	1	1	2	0	10	05	**	0013	00207	02	0	6	98		094	0014	9							8	6	7	7	5	5	K	9	9	8	8	7	7	7	7	7	1	343 82011072				1		3	O	6	U	K	9	7	7	7	7	7
343 8201	343		8	2	011	7.26	7.67	0.41	5460	824	1	2	20	3	6	7			4	6	2	1	1	2	0	00	06	**	0013	00207	02	0	6	98		076	0017	9														9	9	8	8	8	7	7	7	7	1	343 82011077				1		3	A	6	U	K	9	8	8	8	7	7
343 8201	343		8	2	011	7.67	8.25	0.58	5460	824	1	2	22	7	6	6			4	6	2	2	1	2	0	04	06	**	0035	00567	02	9	6	86		107	0033	9					X											8	8	8	7	7	7	7	1	22 82051177			93	7	+	3	O	7	7	7	7	7	6	6	6	6
343 8201	343		8	2	011	8.25	10.56	2.31	5460	824	1	2	22	7	6	6			4	6	2	2	1	6	0	00	06	**	0035	00567	02	9	6	86		107	0033	9					X											8	8	8	8	7	7	7	1	22 82051201			93	7	+	3	O	7	7	7	7	7	6	6	6	6
343 8201	343		8	2	011	10.56	10.75	0.19	5460	824	1	2	22	7	5	5			4	6	2	2	1	6	0	00	07	**	0037	00557	02	9	6	86		106	0035	9					X											9	8	8	7	6	6	6	1	22 82051203			92	7	+	3	O	7	7	7	7	7	6	6	6	6
343 8201	343		8	2	011	10.75	10.85	0.1	5460	824	1	2	22	7	5	5			4	7	5	1	2	2	0	00	07	**	0037	00557	02	9	6	91		106	0035	9					X										6	6	K	9	8	7	7	7	1	22 82051204			92	7	+	3	O	7	7	7	7	6	5	5	5	6
343 8201	343		8	2	011	10.85	11.81	0.96	537	824	1	2	22	8	1	5			4	7	2	2	2	5	0	00	07	**	0037	00557	06	9	6	91		089	0042	9					X										6	6	K	9	8	7	7	7	1	22 82051213			92	7	+	3	O	7	7	7	7	6	5	5	5	5
343 8201	343		8	2	011	11.81	13	1.19	537	824	1	2	22	8	4	6			4	6	2	2	2	2	0	06	07	**	0037	00557	06	9	6	91		089	0042	9					X										6	6	K	9	8	8	7	7	1	22 82051224			92	7	+	3	O	7	7	7	7	6	6	6	6	6
343 8201	343		8	2	011	13	14.62	1.62	537	824	1	2	22	3	6	6			4	6	2	2	1	6	0	00	07	**	0037	00557	06	9	6	91		082	0045	9				X											5	5	K	9	7	7	7	7	1	22 82051241			92	7	+	3	O	7	7	7	7	7	6	6	6	6
343 8201	343		8	2	011	14.62	14.96	0.34	537	824	1	2	24	5	6	6			2	7	5	1	2	2	0	00	07	**	0037	00557	08	9	6	93		097	0038	0				X											6	6	6	5	U	9	8	8	1	22 82051244			92	7	+	3	O	8	7	7	7	7	7	7	6	6
343 8201	343		8	2	011	14.96	15.28	0.32	8011	824	1	2	48	0	4	6			2	4	5	3	1	6	K	03	06	**	0023	00376	08	0	6	93		064	0036	0					X										6	6	6	6	U	9	8	7	1	343 82011153				7		3	O	8	8	7	7	7	7	7	7	6
343 8201	343		8	2	011	15.28	16.03	0.75	8011	824	1	2	20	4	6	6			2	4	5	3	1	6	0	02	06	**	0023	00376	08	0	6	92		069	0033	0					X										4	7	7	4	K	9	8	7	1	343 82011160				7		3	O	8	8	7	7	7	7	7	7	6
343 8201	343		8	2	011	16.03	18.45	2.42	8011	824	1	2	20	4	1	6			4	4	5	1	6	2	0	05	06	**	0023	00376	16	0	6	92		083	0028	9					X										6	7	7	4	K	9	8	7	1	343 82011184				7		3	O	7	7	7	7	7	7	7	7	6

SriMesh | talk 04:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC) Now to explain the coding in english and decipher coding, and add bibliography to use (used web citation for these files not really a good citation template in this case) ...

• GISRTE 343 8201 refers to the first are the route number then the region then county then county order control segment.
• RTE Route number
• LTR letter if necessary
• REG region 8
• CO Dutchess County
• COC begins at 1 for the county in which the route begins.
• BMP beginning mile post
• EMP end mile post
• LEN length of segment
• STAHIG State highway number the contract number under which the section was built or original highway number.
• RESIDE 824 may or may not correspond to county - responsible for maintenance.
• RD: 1 would be undivided.
• NUMOFL Number of lanes going in both directions are 2
• PAVWID Pavement width in feet in both directions.
• SHOWID Shoulder width on right side in direction of travel 0 means no shoulder only curb
• SHOTYP Shoulder type

4 stabilized reinforced with asphalt, gravel, sand needing mowing

6 unstablized looose nature needing mowing

5 stabilized reinforced with asphalt, gravel, sand not needing mowing nothing growing

1 curbed no mowing nothing growing.

• SURSCO Surface score condition current year (2006) 1 poor; K or 10 excellent
• MEDWID NA
• MEDTYP na
• SURTYP surface type

4 ashpalt concrete / plant mix over 8 inches thickness

2 Bituminous macadem

• BASTYP base

7 portland concrete cement more than 8 inches thickness

6 portland concrete cement less than 8 inches thickness

• SUBBAS sub base

2 natural soil graded and drained

5 less than 12" of gravel/stone

• TERTYP terrain type

1 flat

2 rolling

• ARETYP area type

1 rural

2 unincorporated community

• CULTUR culture type

6 agriculture open land

2 residential

• PERPAR % parking

0 No parking

K

• PASSIG passing sight distance in feet recorded
• TRK % truck
• TRAFYR traffic count year

• DHV design hour volume or vehicle traffic volume
• AADT Average annual daily traffic volume 2 way
• FUNCLA functional classes

07 Major collector

02 other principal arterial

06 minor arterial

08 minor collector

16 minor arterial

• HCC HIghway control code now called jurisdiction HCC no longer used

0 State Highway

9 All duplicate mileage

• YS year scored
• YLW year las work
• ACCON access control NA
• ARC Adjusted rating capacity
• VC volume capacity ratio
• NATHIG National Highway System NHS principal arterial

9 NYS parks, recreation, preserve

0 general NHS

• S81...S96 and S97....S05 yearly surface rating conditions 1 poor 10 or K is excellent
• REFMAR Reference Marker
• TANTRU Tandem truck designation NA
• BLK1
• TRKYR
• WORKTYP Work type maintenance

1 1-1/2 inches of hot ashpalt overlay

7 cold in place recycling with 2 or more coarse overlay

• OLAP route overlaps

+ where in fact the route overlaps

• BLK2

3

• PAVTYP pavement type

A flexible asphalt

O overlay is ashphalt put on a highway once concrete

Thank you very much for this. Some of this information should definitely be added to the article. At a minimum, this database would be a good reference for some of the information already in the article. The most useful ones, I think, are the "terrain type", "area type", and "culture type" information. Some of the pavement and shoulder information is probably too esoteric for a general purpose encyclopedia since, in this particular case, there is nothing to make it stand out from other similar surface roads. For other routes with unusual pavement or shoulder characteristics, such information should be included. Other useful stuff for general inclusiion is functional classification, volume to capacity ratio, truck %, number of lanes, and highway control code (jurisdiction). The database would definitely be useful to the New York State Routes project as a whole. Is there a way we can get a copy of this from you? --Polaron | Talk 14:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem, can send it via a number of ways, will try to add content to other articles as well. The above explanation of the codes is a very short explanation, as there are two books to explain the database and how roads there are engineered, one is 84 pages long.SriMesh | talk 03:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

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Requested move 4 May 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move to State Route 343 (New York−Connecticut). Consensus seems to be clear that this compromise solution is preferable. Cúchullain ^t/c 19:17, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

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New York State Route 343 → New York State Route 343 and Connecticut Route 343 – Neither route is more notable than the other. This should have been fixed a long time ago. Cards84664 (talk) 16:28, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

This is a case of Interstate 110 and State Route 110 (California). Both are equally notable. Cards84664 (talk) 16:28, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

• Another option for naming in this sort of case can be seen at Route 10A (Vermont–New Hampshire). Dekimasuよ! 19:07, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose—since the New York highway is an order of magnitude longer, they don't need to be given equal billing in the title. Additionally, Cards84664, you could have waited until the article was no longer the TFA to propose the move; there's nothing that waiting a few more hours would have lost this discussion, but now we have a big warning message on an article prominently linked from the Main Page. Imzadi 1979 → 19:24, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Imzadi1979 What's the cutoff length for notability? If there isn't a specified mileage, dosen't that mean SR 110 should be removed from the I-110 infobox header? Cards84664 (talk) 21:24, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@Cards84664: the California situation is a sui generis situation; legally all of I-110 in California is SR 110 because California law classifies all highways as a state route of that number. This isn't a notability situation; if it were, we'd be talking about whether or not CT Route 343 would even have an article/redirect. CT Route 343 is notable, so it has an article. In this case, it's been merged into this article. Since the NY highway is an order of magnitude longer, 18.45 mi vs. 1.5 mi, then I don't think we need to consider equal billing in the page title. If we did, the proposed title is the wrong way to do it according our standard practices, and Dekimasu has the "correct" suggestion instead. Imzadi 1979 → 15:50, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose per User:Imzadi1979 (and little WP:UGH). If there is really a problem, User:Dekimasu's suggestion looks nicer. (I don't like the I-110 title either BTW.) —  AjaxSmack  00:45, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose per Imzadi. The New York section is much longer than Connecticut's, therefore more notable. A redirect from Connecticut Route 343 is good enough.Nova Crystallis (Talk) 00:04, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
• OpposeNon would propose such a naming if both routes had different numbers. These are different objects which should be descript in different articles. (I also consider Interstate 110 and State Route 110 (California) as nonsense.) --Matthiasb (talk) 17:33, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
• Opposed as currently proposed. The proposed title for NY/CT 343 is unwieldy. It is different from the I-110 title (which by the way is not the subject of this RM, so all these "I Don't Like It" arguments above aren't relevant to the final outcome). I-110 is in one state, and in that case, the state route and interstate are equally notable. Not so with NY/CT 343. Right now the current proposed title gives the CT side equal emphasis with the much longer, and more notable, NY side. I think Dekimasu's option is better and this article should be called State Route 343 (New York−Connecticut). epicgenius (talk) 15:14, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

That's a great way of putting it, so I'll go with this one. Cards84664 (talk) 16:17, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose; CT 343 is really just a side route, basically, that gets you to New York from Sharon. It really plays no real role in Connecticut's state highway network other than that. Daniel Case (talk) 04:48, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
• Support State Route 343 (New York−Connecticut) instead per CONSISTENCY and per Epicgenius. ToThAc (talk) 14:06, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
• Support State Route 343 (New York−Connecticut) per my comments above. Dekimasuよ! 02:41, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

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