Talk:Spyridon Marinatos

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Lightburst talk 21:16, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Spyridon Marinatos took a priest to court for illegal antiquities trading? Source: Marinatos 2015b (in article) pp. 195–196
  • ALT1: ... that Spyridon Marinatos oversaw "the most important classical excavation since Pompeii"? Source: Higgins 1973 (in article), p. 305
  • ALT2: ... that Spyridon Marinatos discovered the battlefield of Thermopylae in 1939? Source: Iakovidis 1975 (in article), p. 636
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Code of Lipit-Ishtar

5x expanded by UndercoverClassicist (talk). Self-nominated at 21:04, 21 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Spyridon Marinatos; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Very extensive, thorough and well referenced article. AGF on offline sources, but having reviewed the author's work in the past I have no concerns. Hooks are interesting and referenced. QPQ done. Good to go. Constantine ✍ 10:25, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Cplakidas (talk · contribs) 21:03, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Will take this on in the following days. Constantine ✍ 21:03, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Lede

• The 'Nikolaou' is the patronymic, I would leave it out as it would confuse readers, unless it is actually used to refer to him in scholarship.
  • Done. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
• Would the cemeteries of Tsepi and Vranas warrant WP:REDLINKs?
  • I've done so; Vranas has a Greek wiki article. There's probably enough to pull together something short on Tsepi. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
• quasi-fascist dictatorship link to 4th of August Regime
  • Done (though this means losing the link on fascist). UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
• the junta of the 1960s and 1970s since the dates of the junta have been mentioned, they can be left out.
  • Reworked to do so. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Early career and education

• He conducted excavations on Crete between 1919 and 1952 This reads as if Marinatos was active only in Crete, and continuously so until 1952. Later in the text it is clear that this is not so, but still some rephrasing might be in order, e.g. 'He would go on to periodically conduct excavations in Crete until 1952'...
  • Rephrased to that effect. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
• at the site of Knossos 'at the site of the Minoan palace of Knossos', for context?
  • Done. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
• antiquities traders:[26] he recommend replacing with full stop and splitting the sentences. Ditto for United States: his former teacher Karo and to dispose of: she handed them
  • Done, except for the last: I think it reads better with the colon, as the two halves are closely linked, and it isn't that much longer unsplit. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
• Nazi-occupied Europe is this still in 1936-37? The Nazis had not even occupied Austria at that time.
  • Still to do: I vaguely remember it being Prague and Austria, but as you say, the dates don't really add up. Will check the source UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

  Done: it was 1939: I've rearranged material to suit the fixed chronology. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 20:14, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Link enemy alien
  • Done. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
• There's a few duplicate links, e.g. Mycenae, University of Athens, etc.
  • I think I've got these (that is, where linked twice in body text - I've kept duplinks in captions and infobox, as permitted by the MoS): kept the link to "Regime of the Colonels", which does technically duplicate "Greek junta", but I think it's useful to help establish that these are the same thing. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

First directorate, professorship and Messenia

• Perhaps 'directorship'? 'Directorate' suggests a department...
  • It does; fixed. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
• Shortly after his promotion, he left Crete last person mentioned is Oikonomos
  • Fixed. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
• the Greek Archaeological Service under Kouroniotis...he replaced Kouroniotis Kourouniotis?
  • Made this mistake a couple of times: fixed. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
• the battlefield of Thermopylae since I fear many people won't know what this is and why it is that important, perhaps some context is necessary (brief description and date?)
  • Done. There's a lot more to say about the ideological importance of the battle, but I don't think it can really be said here. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
• 1883 eruption of Krakatoa link to the article on the actual eruption
  • Done. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
• wealthy cemetery at Volimidia relink Volimidia to Chora, Messinia or at least mention the latter locality
  • Done (via a redirect). UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
• was forced to resign in 1958 by the Prime Minister, Konstantinos Karamanlis any idea why?
  • Not without going into OR, though I'd imagine his close association with Metaxas and tendency to upset everyone under him had something to do with it. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
    • I get it, and Karamanlis was also not the most easy-going person... Constantine ✍ 17:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Politics

• the quasi-fascist dictatorship of Ioannis Metaxas, which began in July 1938 it began in August 1936
  • So it did; fixed. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
• whom Metaxas had restored to the throne incorrect, George II had been restored by Georgios Kondylis; rather, Metaxas owed his power to George II and the royalist officers who dominated the army. The Metaxas regime was a covert royal dictatorship, which is why the return of George after the war was such a major political issue.
  • Still to do: I don't disagree here, just need to find a citation. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

  Now done. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 20:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• the historian Yanis Kordatos might be worthwhile to note that Kordatos was also a communist who was persecuted by Metaxas
  • Still to do: I don't disagree here, just need to find a citation. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

  Somewhat done: I failed to find a source directly saying that K. was persecuted by Metaxas, but added one about his communism. Do you have one for the other bit? UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 20:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Am currently a bit handicapped as regards access to my books. But him being a communist should be enough to clarify his feelings towards Metaxas. Constantine ✍ 17:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

• left-wing newspaper Rizospastis not just left-wing: it was (and still is) the official organ of the Greek Communist Party
  • Still to do: I don't disagree here, just need to find a citation. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

  Done. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 20:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

• Would Ioannis Kontis warrant a WP:REDLINK?
  • Done -- I could probably knock something together here, but it would be a challenge. Might just be able to get it over the GNG line. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Assessment and legacy

• return to democracy link to metapolitefsi
  • Done. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

That's it for a first pass. The article is the usual thorough work, an interesting and well-written read that captures the life and work of its subject very well. Constantine ✍ 10:28, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks as ever, Constantine -- all looks very sensible. Will get through over the next couple of days. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 11:51, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Mostly sorted now: just a few where I need to find citations. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 17:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@Cplakidas: All done now, I think. One semi-done on Kordatos and Metaxas: a hand here would be appreciated. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 20:31, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I had another read-through, my comments have been addressed, and I cannot find anything more to nit-pick about. As stated, an excellent piece of work, well above the usual GA standard. I will pass it now. Constantine ✍ 17:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

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