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Did you know... that Edi Rama and Baba Mondi plan to create the smallest nation in the world?

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The result was: promoted by DimensionalFusion talk 10:48, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The order's HQ is the planned capital

... that Edi Rama and Baba Mondi plan to create the smallest nation in the world?

Source: Albania Is Planning a New Muslim State Inside Its Capital

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Malaysia Monument

Created by TheUnabashedUkrainian (talk), Pithon314 (talk), and LunaEclipse (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 130 past nominations.

Andrew🐉(talk) 10:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Long enough, new enough, QPQ is done, well-sourced. Personally, I would not use an image for this hook. Overall, it seems good to go to me! Di (they-them) (talk) 12:39, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Map

@Di (they-them): Your latest revert removed the map and its caption on the basis of it being speculative. This would make sense if the caption claimed that the map presents the borders of the country, which it originally did, however, in the newer revision, it explicitly stated that the map points to the location of the World Headquarters of the Bektashi, which we know will be the core of the country, and which we know the location and boundaries of. So why was it removed? — IмSтevan ^talk 12:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ImStevan: It's misleading to include the map in the infobox of a country if it does not actually represent the country. It's simply best to wait until we have actual information about the country itself. Di (they-them) (talk) 12:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it is planned to only include the headquarters so it makes sense to include the map, or at least a geolocation that points to what would be the center of it. 2600:8802:3A0E:4300:60CB:1D2D:B7CC:B7D6 (talk) 22:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We should wait until it is confirmed. No need to do original research. Di (they-them) (talk) 22:58, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Di (they-them): BBC reports that the country will stretch on 27 acres of the World Headquarters of the Bektashi, which is in line with other sourced material in the article that has been deemed relevant (regarding size)^[1] — IмSтevan ^talk 12:36, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, but there's no need to rush and add a map before we know what the borders are. It's foolish to do original research at this stage when we can just wait to get actual confirmation. Di (they-them) (talk) 13:25, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it original research to connect "the country is set to be 27 hectares" (already in the article), "the world hq is 27 hectares", "the country will be the world hq" and "these are the world hq borders"? It's not even breaking WP:SYNTH, I don't think it's rushing, it just makes things clearer to readers — IмSтevan ^talk 15:19, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is OR and SYNTH. Di (they-them) (talk) 16:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's absolutely not, as those things are all connected to eachother within the cited reference — IмSтevan ^talk 20:01, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You could create a pinpoint map showing the location of the World Headquarters, showing the border without definitive proof is OR. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 04:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article provided by ImStevan reads ‘"Our goal is to turn the Bektashi World Center into a sovereign state - a new center of moderation, tolerance and peaceful coexistence," Rama said before the United Nations (UN) General Assembly in New York.‘ I really don’t know how including a map of said Bektashi World Center could be considered original research or synth. Brainiac242 (talk) 20:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The part I was referring to reads: "If it were to be founded, the new country would stretch on 27 hectares of the today's World Headquarters of the Bektashi, which has been located in the eastern part of the Albanian capital since 1930." — IмSтevan ^talk 20:30, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If we are to include a map, which I disagree with, we need to have a reliable source for showing the borders of the headquarters. The image previously used had no sources and I don't know where the borders came from. Di (they-them) (talk) 20:38, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Commons already have an OpenStreetMap map — IмSтevan ^talk 09:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That’s for the headquarters, not the state. No one knows the border until it becomes an actual thing. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This precisely. We are talking about the borders of a state here, and in order to function it may need more land (and likely will contain more), making any sort of preemptive guesses just that - guesses. We are looking at a proposed state here, not an iPod Shuffle or micronation. Fantastic Mr. Fox (talk) 16:47, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What reliable source is saying the state might need more land, let alone that it will contain more land? Rama said the Bektashi World Center will be turned into a sovereign state. It might not happen, but that’s the proposal anyway. So the borders of the Bektashi World Center are the proposed borders of the state. Saying anything else is original research. Brainiac242 (talk) 16:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Naming conventions

What exactly would be the shorthand version of this countries name? Going off of the two other religious state entity examples, the Vatican and the Maltese Knights, what would be a good shortened way to have this country? Jacob XII (talk) 13:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bektashistan, perhaps? Mtminchi08 (talk) 13:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would presume just "the Bektashi State". Di (they-them) (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's just an interesting thought expirement, given the Vatican City full name is in a similar vain to the Bektashi name currently, but would it take on the name of the neighbourhood of Tirana that in which it resides? Jacob XII (talk) 21:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dzheykobb: "Bektashia" seems to me as a likely name contender, after all, Albanian also uses the latin suffix "-ia" at the end of many countries' names — IмSтevan ^talk 12:32, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found the anthem!

https://youtube.com/1GcjOVuy3Ss?si=xOYV3d3LfMGqAupx I don’t know the source… but I found something! 198.91.240.254 (talk) 23:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1. This link doesn't have a video.

2. If you don't have a reliable source then why even post it here?

Di (they-them) (talk) 01:53, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ https://www.bbc.com/serbian/lat/balkan-69372883.amp

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