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Japanese printed notes

Bank of Korea's site[1] says that the 1950 issued notes were printed by: 일본내각인쇄국. It translates as:

일본	Japan
내각	cabinet / ministry [2]
인쇄	printing [3]
국	nation (suffix)

My best guess would be that it represent the japanese "National Printing Bureau", which as been responsible for printing banknotes, stamp, passport and gouvermental documents since it was founded by the Ministry of Finance in 1871. And according to [4] in 1950 it's english name was "Printing Agency". — Luccas 23:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

1 jeon coins

Does anyone have more information about this coin? It does not appear in the "Standard Catalog of World Coins".
Dove1950 15:56, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The idea that there were Japanese-produced 1 jeon coins in circulation at this time appears to stem from a mistranslation of the phrase "일본정부의 소액보조화폐(1錢 주화)" from the Bank of Korea's website. Both here and on the English-language version of the Bank of Korea's website (here and here), this has been mistranslated as 1-jeon coin; however, this is referring to the 1 sen coin of the Japanese yen, which had circulated throughout the Japanese occupation of Korea and appeared to continue to do so until 17 February 1953, when circulation ceased (this date is in the Korean version of this page; it is oddly omitted from the English version). The cause of the confusion is the fact that character 錢 is used both for the Korean jeon, and for the Japanese sen. I will update the page to clarify this point. Daram.G (talk) 04:24, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reincorporation into South Korean won

I propose that this article be reincorporated into South Korean won. There is no good reason for two currencies with the same name and circulating in the same country to be covered in two separate articles.
Dove1950 10:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. —Nightstallion 15:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. First reincorporation can't be said, only a section of History was taken from South Korean won, the rest was all written from scratch. This article is about a now obsolete currency that is only related to the current one by name. And I don't see how to incorporate the 9 years gap covered by the South Korean hwan harmoniously into the combined article's text, or even in the infobox, this would just lead to some confusion. Beside it's not as if either articles were stubs. Also South Korean won by itself is currently 41KB, which is, per Wikipedia:Article size, borderline of a size that could be in consideration for splitting. I like these the way they are. — Luccas 20:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I realise that a lot of work has been put into this article but the fact that this isn't a stub doesn't mean that it can't all be incorporated into South Korean won, where it will be much more easily found and allows the history of the won to be more easily appreciated. I can give examples such as Brazilian real and Ukrainian karbovanets where much larger gaps than 9 years are no obstacle to two currencies being covered by the one article. I agree that 41KB is on the limit defined by Wikipedia:Article size but this limit would probably split up a great many currency articles, due to the presence of very nice pictures. I'd be very worried if we started using that as a guide.
Dove1950 22:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dissagree, I hink where there is enough material for two different currencies which the won of 1945 and 1962 are then they should be seperate. Maybe Dove is talking about an atricle like the Lao kip where the information is scarce. Maybe we could look into the Euro and U.S dollar as they are extensively covoured. Enlil Ninlil 08:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, the amount of available information is irrelevant.
Dove1950 09:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dove, I looked at the 2 examples you listed and their situations don't apply very well to this case. The Brazilian real describe its pre-1942 usage, but only as a short section in its history. While the Ukrainian karbovanets is a compilation of all the past and obsolete Ukrainian currencies called the karbovanets. In this situation it's not only about combining 2 full-fledge articles that are well standing by themself but also combining a obsolete currency with a circulating one. I've browsed Category:Circulating currencies and all articles I've seen that do this kind of combinaison all just have brief descriptions of their past versions. This source [5] mention the won and the hwan as minor currencies used in the 1800s, and they were both later used as major Korean currencies (see Korean won and South Korean hwan). Right now all Korean currencies are divided into seperate articles. Grouping them by name would just make a mess of things. At the moment they're more grouped by period and I find it better fitting, since until early 20th century there's often been several circulating currencies at the same time, and some times along with Japanese and Chinese ones. — Luccas 22:56, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just because the articles aren't as fully developed as these doesn't mean that the basic format is inappropriate. The real difference is that both articles have lots of pictures in them. That makes the proposed combined article rather large in terms of bytes but not difficult to read. The ideas behind putting all the one article together include that the currencies all have identical names, could be confused relatively easily and to allow the "whole story" to be put together in a single article. Putting "(1945)" at the end of one of the article titles strikes me as rather arbitrary. We could (and I stress could, I'd hate to see this done) just as easily call the present won article "South Korean won (1962)". There is one compromise that we could consider (though my vote remains (re)incorporation) which is to put a summary of the "First South Korean won" with a note at the top linking to this article.
Dove1950 22:22, 30 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dove your suggestion on the renaming of the article is fine with me, personally I would rather see all seperate currencies have a seperate article no matter the name. We could put a dissambigious pages as a directing page for the word if maybe. Enlil Ninlil 04:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I knew I should have kept my big mouth shut! To repeat, I do not think it would be a good idea.
Dove1950 22:05, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dove done be so hard on yourself, we all have different opinions and the world is amazing with them, so do what you would like. But first we should put it to a vote and the who eve wins wins. OK Enlil Ninlil 23:59, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support

Dove1950 19:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC) Name is everything in an encyclopedia. Therefore, two things with identical names ought to be put in the same article where they can be compared and contrasted.[reply]

Concur with Dove on this. Restore the status quo, there was no consensus for the change. —Nightstallion 21:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Enlil Ninlil 23:58, 5 August 2007 (UTC) Different currencies deserve a different article if possible, and name shouldn't be a great deal.[reply]

Comment

Pardon my late participation. I really don't care about what format we use. We just need a consistent guide line and apply them. That being said, I must point out that there is already inconsistency in the currency world in Wikipedia. For example, New Taiwan dollar/Old Taiwan dollar, Turkish lira/Turkish new lira, Israeli sheqel/Israeli new sheqel, in contrast with Dove's examples. Either scheme has cons and pros. I'll just write the cons.

Same (country, currency name) tuple goes to the same article

Size issue as Luccas pointed out. Lumping discontinued segments in history together.

Separate by rednomination

We may end up with many small articles, especially for Yugoslavia, Russia.

Either way, we will have implementation difficulty. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 00:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Better late than never. Actually, only one of your three examples causes any problem, New Taiwan dollar/Old Taiwan dollar. These names are both anachronistic but I haven't got up the courage to try and fix them, beyond the short pieces on both in Chinese yuan. The other two cases include the word "new" in the officially used currency names (i.e., "new" is on the coins and banknotes). The article size problem can be got around by moving all the nice pictures of the coins and banknotes to separate articles, as has been done in Hungarian forint. It strikes me that there are a few outstanding "messes" that need sorting out. The creation of this article is just one more article than Wikipedia needs.
Dove1950 22:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just FYI, "new" in "New Taiwan dollar" is omnipresent on official documents, even though it's not on the physical currencies, or daily conversation. We also have to take care of the problem of interwiki. Splitting is easy, merging is harder. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to say, I agree that "banknotes of ..." and "coins of ..." can be a remedy to the size problem. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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