Talk:Sodium peroxynitrate

This page was proposed for deletion by Keresluna (talk · contribs) on 31 January 2022.

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I don't get why the proposed deletion nominator claims the source is unreliable. It is authored by Joseph Mellor, an eminent chemist and Fellow of the Royal Society. Admittedly, he does say "according to..." somebody else, but I found two more recent sources mentioning the substance. This one "Samples of CYP119-II for XAS studies were prepared by mixing at 0–5C equal amounts of an ≈1.4 mM solution of CYP119 in 500 mM potassium phosphate buffer (pH 7.0) in ≈70:30 water-ethylene glycol with a basic solution of sodium peroxynitrate" and this "The common regulators are sodium chloride (NaCl), sodium peroxynitrate (NaNO 4 ), potassium chloride (KCl), potassium sulfate (K 2 SO 4 ) ammonium chloride (NH 4 Cl) and so on..." SpinningSpark 15:54, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Spinningspark: The first source you bring up does have the word 'peroxynitrate' in it, but it seems to be a typo when you check ref 24. It actually seems to be mentioning peroxynitrite. The second source had no evidence that this compound exists. The original source is unreliable as it presents no crystallographic data and he says "according to...". Keres🌕Luna ^edits! 00:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The person Mellor is citing is Sebastian Moiseevich Tanatar who likewise appears to be both notable and reliable. The very fact that Mellor reports his work is indicative that Mellor considers him reliable. Where is it written that lack of crystallographic information is evidence of non-existence? SpinningSpark 14:56, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Spinningspark: There is also the question of Notability, not convinced that this compound is notable. Keres🌕Luna ^edits! 19:34, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There's no point talking about notability if you are still challenging existence. Even if this is not notable (and I reserve judgement on that) in accordance with WP:PRESERVE we should find a suitable merge target for the material.

By the way, pings don't work if you add them to the post afterwards. SpinningSpark 13:15, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Spinningspark: This article contradicts other articles such as peroxynitrate which states no solid salts exist. The ref for that statement seems fore reliable than this one. I was going to suggest merging with peroxynitrate or peroxynitric acid. Keres🌕Luna ^edits! 19:36, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Contradicting other Wikipedia articles has no value whatsoever with regard to verifiability per WP:NOTSOURCE. An edition of the book referred to is available on IA. Searching returns no results for peroxynitrate, peroxonitrate, peroxynitric, or HNO4. Please provide a page number that verifies the claims made. SpinningSpark 11:22, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Spinningspark: Found in page 528. Keres🌕Luna ^edits! 16:30, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Right, yet another synonym "peroxonitric" was needed. Ok, no solid salts are known, but that is a vague basis to dismiss Mellor on. It remains possible that the discovery is an overlooked piece of work by the Russian Tanatar. We can still mention in the peroxynitrate article that Tanatar made this claim without giving an opinion on its veracity. Unless there is a source that explicitly states that Tanatar was mistaken. SpinningSpark 17:08, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me. I would suggest redirecting this article to peroxynitrate, and make some sort of remark there. Keres🌕Luna ^edits! 21:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with that solution. SpinningSpark 07:50, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]