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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Sinyang County moved (per primary [or possibly only] topic) by the nominator. Ongjin County not moved because there are two. DrKiernan (talk) 20:20, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

– Each page is the primary topic. The generic class ", South Pyongan" is not needed. --Relisted Tyrol5 [Talk] 04:36, 11 January 2013 (UTC) Relisted. —Darkwind (talk) 05:52, 3 January 2013 (UTC) Sawol (talk) 19:14, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

These are not cities, so they should be titled as Sinyang County and Ongjin County. This Sinyang is not as notable as Sinyang Beach in Jeju. There is also a town of Sinyang (Sinyang-ŭp). But it would certainly be primary for Sinyang County. Kauffner (talk) 13:34, 1 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do you want to construct the disambiguation pages Sinyang, Ongjin? Sinyang-eup is also in Sinyang, South Pyongan. Sinyang Beach is in ~~Sinyang-ri, Chujado (Chuja-myeon),~~ Goseong-ri, Seongsan-eup, Seogwipo, Jeju Province. Sinyang-ri are 12 in South Korea. Indeed what is the primary? It is needed to talk about that all counties in North Korea move to "~ County". Not using follows Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean). Sawol (talk) 12:29, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

China, Japan, and Vietnam use "Foo District", while South Korea uses "Foo County". The NK counties are 郡/군/gun, the same nomenclature as South Korea and Japan. It is common for an Asian county to have the same name as the county seat. The English-language convention is that the plain name refers to the town, which is why the counties get pre-disambiguated. Kauffner (talk) 18:26, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Now it is the talk about using generic class ", South Pyongan" or not using. If you want to talk about that all counties in North Korea move to "~ County", please open a new at a talk page like Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Korean). Before Korea was divided, 郡/군/gun of Korea is the same. At 1952 North Korea was divided a gun to the several small gun. Nobody knows that gun of North Korea is a county, or a town actually. North Korea government has not announced anything for that. gun of South Korea is different from gun of North Korea, although they have the same name 郡/군/gun. Sawol (talk) 07:17, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would think KCNA would know. They give Sinyang County and Ongjin County. There is also an Ongjin County in South Korea. But as Ongjin in North Korea is the site of the first battle of the Korean War, we can justify making it primary. Kauffner (talk) 08:44, 4 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

By Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Korean)#Counties in North Korea, they should be titled as Sinyang County and Ongjin County. I agree with User:Kauffner. Sawol (talk) 11:35, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ongjin County is ambiguous, and I don't see the historical fact mentioned by Kauffner as being sufficient to support a conclusion that a reader who searches for this ambiguous term is "much more likely" to be looking for the North Korean county than the South Korean one. See WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I would leave a disambiguation page at the base name and keep the article about the North Korean county at its present title. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:00, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I think that Ongjin County, South Hwanghae is the primary topic as User:Kauffner's opinion. Ongjin County, Incheon is never primary. Only Baengnyeongdo, Daecheongdo, Socheongdo and Yeonpyeongdo are in the original Ongjin County. Most parts of current Ongjin County, Incheon was in former Bucheon County. Ongjin County, Incheon is called ″Incheon Ongjin″ in South Korea. By WP:TWODABS a disambiguation page is not needed. Sawol (talk) 13:35, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - If in fact one of the two topics is primary, then a disambiguation page indeed is not necessary. My concern is whether there is a primary topic at all. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 16:16, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Ongjin - Ongjin, North Korea and Ongjin, South Korea require disambiguation. As for Sinyang, neutral, given Sinyang Beach in Jeju and Sinyang myon. Also not moving would help with the hatnoted old spelling of Xinyang as Sinyang, Henan. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:36, 12 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose both moves. Neither proposed target is correct as both should be ____ County and both targets require disambiguation. --Bejnar (talk) 06:04, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment 1. A concern for Sinyang is an issue for WP:RFD. Take the discussion to WP:RFD. 2. Now we have an issue, that "Is Ongjin County, South Hwanghae primary? Or Is needed the disambiguation page Ongjin County?" Sawol (talk) 05:23, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Ongjin County, since it is ambiguous. Support Sinyang County - if there is no other. AsianGeographer (talk) 03:03, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Discussion relisted as the suggestion for the destination name(s) have changed to Sinyang County and Ongjin County. —Darkwind (talk) 05:53, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that Sawol has already made the first move. --BDD (talk) 18:16, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.