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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 October 2024

This edit request to Second battle of Jabalia has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.

What I think should be changed:

The page name should be change to "Third Battle of Jabalia".

Why it should be changed:

The Second Battle of Jabalia was in May, it just don't have a wiki page. I'm not an "extended-protected" user so I can't create the article myself, but I don't mind helping.

References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

Few reference to the May battle in Jabalia: BBC, reuters, The Guardian.

Comment:

This artice isn't currently "extended-confirmed-protected", probably should be changed to one. Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 13:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 14:07, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@M.Bitton

I will be more precise.

I'm requesting to change the page name:

.

This is actually the third battle to take place in Jabalia. I am currently working on creating a page for the May battle in Jabalia (I have discussed the proposed new article on the talk pages of User talk:Yovt and Talk:Battle of Jabalia).

As a reference supporting my proposed change, I am citing the following from BBC:

"This is the third time Israeli forces have gone into Jabalia and its refugee camp over the past year".

Additionally, this page is still not Extended-confirmed protected, and I would appreciate it if you (or someone else) could "protect" it. Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 07:51, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: page moves are not edit requests. Someone else also suggested another title that they will discuss with other extended-confirmed editors. M.Bitton (talk) 12:00, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thank you anyway. Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 12:47, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 October 2024 - update casualties

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What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):

Change Israeli casualties to:
Per Israel:
1 soldier killed

Change Palestinian Joint Operations Room casualties to:
Per Israel:
Dozens of militants killed

Why it should be changed:

Just an update to more recent claims.

References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

reuters for "one soldier killed", The Hindu for "Dozens of militants killed".

Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 13:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I updated the attributions and added more recent citations. The count of IDF casualties is likely higher than 18 now. Rainsage (talk) 02:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, and yes, I think it at least 25 now Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 09:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

Move

Should this article be moved to “siege of Jabalia camp”? The fighting seems to be going on around there, though it could spillover to Jabalia itself The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 14:37, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When does it say 12 vehicles are destroyed?

It doesnt say that 68.174.61.132 (talk) 02:56, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 16 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: procedural close per WP:CT/A-I. Non-ECP users may not participate in community discussions under these restrictions let alone initiate such a discussion. (non-admin closure) Cinderella157 (talk) 05:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Second battle of Jabalia → Third Battle of Jabalia – It is a battle after the Second Battle of Jabalia, which has no article in the language yet. אורי9 (talk) 07:16, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 October 2024

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What I think should be changed:

Please add Givati Brigade to Israeli "Units involved" under "162nd division".

Why it should be changed:

This brigade joined the offensive on 18 October.

References supporting the possible change:

The New Arab.

Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 11:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, will be adding Evaporation123 (talk) 20:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 November 2024

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What I think should be changed:

In the info-box:

Why it should be changed:

The source used claims that 1200 people were killed in north Gaza, but not that 1200 civilians were killed.

References supporting the possible change:

The current source - [1]

Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 16:32, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

Not done: this is neither an uncontroversial improvement, nor one that has consensus. M.Bitton (talk) 10:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 November 2024

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What I think should be changed:

In the info-box under status, remove one point:

Why it should be changed:

This information isn't relevant to "status". It just a description of the "Israeli generals' plan", not the status of the siege.

References supporting the possible change:

None

Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 11:32, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

Not done: this is neither an uncontroversial improvement, nor one that has consensus. M.Bitton (talk) 10:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@M.Bitton It is not clear to me why you consider this request "controversial."

This request does not require any additional sourcing and improves the efficiency of template code. Therefore, it complies with all the stated conditions in WP:EDITXY. Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 11:24, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I said "it's not an uncontroversial improvement", which it isn't. M.Bitton (talk) 11:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@M.BittonI reviewed all the rules in WP:EDITXY, but I don’t understand which rule this request violates. It improves the efficiency of the template code and doesn't require any additional sources, thus complying with all the rules of WP:EDITXY. So why does this request isn't "uncontroversial improvement"? Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 11:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Correcting typos, grammar, or reference formatting, etc., are uncontroversial improvements. This edit request is not. M.Bitton (talk) 11:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@M.BittonOK, thank you Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 11:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 December 2024

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What I think should be changed:

In the info-box add link to Merkava wiki page.

Why it should be changed:

Currently there is no link to "Merkava" in this page.

References supporting the possible change:

None.

Guy Haddad 1 (talk) 08:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done LizardJr8 (talk) 03:54, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

Result parameter in infobox

Evaporation123, with this edit, you implemented a change from "status" to "result" but retained a dot-point regarding the Israeli generals' plan. I removed the dot-point here per WP:RESULT and Template: Infobox military conflict, which limits the responses to be placed against the result parameter and which does not permit additional dot-points. Whether Ceasefire and Israeli withdrawal is a result consistent with the guidance is another matter. You reinstated the dot-point here with the edit summary: The cited source says Israel failed to force out the population of North Gaza and that's what the generals' plan was, even if not directly named in the source. That is clearly not the issue. The P&G tells us not to use dot-points against this parameter. Reinstating the edit that was challenged without achieving consensus was contrary to WP:ONUS. Cinderella157 (talk) 01:50, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Point taken. It was a case of misunderstanding Evaporation123 (talk) 01:57, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Evaporation123, I now see that you have also reinstated two commanders/leaders that were removed per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE and that their presence was not supported by the body of the article - ie there is nothing in the body of the article to evidence that they are/were key or significant to the conduct of the siege. Noting that one of them was killed does not make them key or significant nor does a passing mention that they exist. They should remain removed until the body of the article supports their inclusion. Cinderella157 (talk) 02:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sinwar is placed as the obvious overall leader of Hamas (before he was killed of course) in a similar way to how Netanyahu is placed as the leader of Israel. Both men did not partake in active combat in Gaza City. Al-Haddad is not mentioned in the page itself outside the infobox but he is mentioned in the cited sources. Evaporation123 (talk) 02:45, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]