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(note to those who may come after me/the admins: most of these External Links with links to general Shoshone information pages are broken or inaccessible, a review seems necessary, and possibly some new links that work, I will of course do my part if I find any)

Shoshone people

All but one of the Shoshone tribes called themselves "Shoshone" not "Shoshoni," I'm going to restore this page, since there was no discussion about the name change here (the language can stay "Shoshoni," if that's what linguists prefer). There is one exception: Northwestern Band of Shoshoni Nation of Utah (Washakie).

From the Federal register: Duckwater Shoshone Tribe of the Duckwater Reservation, Nevada, Ely Shoshone Tribe of Nevada, Fort McDermitt Paiute and Shoshone Tribes of the Fort McDermitt Indian Reservation, Nevada and Oregon, Shoshone Tribe of the Wind River Reservation, Wyoming, Shoshone-Bannock Tribes of the Fort Hall Reservation of Idaho, Te-Moak Tribe of Western Shoshone Indians of Nevada, Yomba Shoshone Tribe of the Yomba Reservation, Nevada, etc. Tribal websites: Shoshone-Bannock Tribe, Eastern Shoshone Tribe, Eli Shoshone Tribe, etc. -Uyvsdi (talk) 18:00, 16 February 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

Wikipedia in Shoshoni

This is just to let you know that a Wikipedia in the Shoshoni language had been created in the Incubator. You can reach it there. Thanks you, a̲i̲shenda'ga. Amqui (talk) 20:14, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: Move. The issue will be worth discussing more broadly as Kwamikagami suggests. Cúchullain ^t/c 21:18, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Shoshone people → Shoshone – target page is redirect to current title, created by JaGa on Jan 16 2011, citing " The people are the primary topic" and so changing to a "Shoshoni people" redirect on the next edit on the same day, which was updated to current title by Emausbot on the same day. Shoshone (disambiguation) continues to exist and so no dab whatsoever is needed on the primary topic Shoshone. Skookum1 (talk) 04:35, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose until the issue is addressed properly. These should be discussed at a centralized location.

There was a discussion once on whether the ethnicity should have precedence for the name, and it was decided it shouldn't. That could be revisited. But it really should be one discussion on the principle, not thousands of separate discussions at every ethnicity in the world over whether it should be at "X", "Xs", or "X people". — kwami (talk) 12:50, 20 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. An identified people should be the primary topic of a term absent something remarkable standing in the way. bd2412 T 02:39, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support as per the policy Wikipedia:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names and the guideline Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ethnicities and tribes). The section Wikipedia:Article titles#Precision also applies given that Shoshone redirects here. There is no need to redo any guideline as it already supports the un-disabiguated title. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 04:45, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support per CambridgeBayWeather. In cases where the requested move simply eliminates the word "people", and the destination title is already a simple redirect to the current title, it is clear that guidelines favoring both precision and conciseness support the move. Xoloz (talk) 17:21, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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This uncited essay was added to the article by IP user: 173.164.129.101 talk: The Timbi-Sha Shoshone Tribe has been living in Death Valley for more than forty thousand years. The Shoshone still live in Death Valley today. In 20,000 BC The Shoshone population was 4,500 Indians. The Shoshone lived in big families of aunts, uncles, cosines, 2nd cosines, grandparents, brothers, sisters, and parents. Not all Shoshone live in death Valley. There is also a Shoshone tribe of colorado.

Death Valley has a name that makes it people think that it's not a good place to live but that’s is not true. Death Valley has lots of rabbits, sheep and buffalos. Plants, animals, and water sources are very common in Death Valley. The Shoshone are partly nomadic because in the summer when Death Valley gets to be about 114°f the Shoshone have to move out. The Shoshone moved to cooler counties where the temperature is about only 100°f. After summer the Shoshone move back in to Death Valley. The Shoshone were lucky that they were accepted in other counties.

The Shoshone had lots of things to entertain them. The most common things they did were Lacrosse, horseback racing, and weaving baskets. Lacrosse was important to the Shoshone as they used the sport to salve problems with other tribes. The Shoshone and other tribes called Lacrosse The Creators game. The Shoshone people had many horseback races. The kids and adults did horseback races for fun or for ceremonies. Shoshone baskets are very colorful. They weave the basket tightly so the baskets can hold grain and other stuff. Sometimes the Shoshone put their babes in baskets.

The California Gold Rush affected the Shoshone. In 1848 when the gold fever started not a lot of miners came to Death Valley. The miners didn’t come because of the extremely hot weather. Lots of people got sunburn and sunburn hurt when mining. Also many people couldn't handle the extreme tempters. In about 1851 people stared striking rich in Death Valley so lots of miners came too Death Valley to hunt for gold. Once lot of miners came it was hard for the Shoshone to get their recourses. The gold 49ers kicked the Shoshone out. The miners were called 49ers because people started coming in 1849. During the Gold Rush people from all over the world brought diseases that killed many Shoshone. By the time the Gold Rush ended there was only about a 1,000 Shoshone left. Today there are only about 42 Shoshone.

The Shoshone still live today and 5,000 people that are not Shoshone speak the Shoshone language. The Shoshone are named after a rock found in Death Valley. The government now protects the Shoshone. Also the National Park Service preserves Death Valley because is home to the Shoshone and always will be. -Uyvsdi (talk) 18:59, 24 March 2014 (UTC)Uyvsdi[reply]

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Good basic start and a couple of nice images, but barely more than a stub. Needs thorough expansion. --Phaedriel (16 February 06)

Essentially a long stub. Missing footnotes, and needs an ethnobox --Miskwito 15:35, 31 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Etymology: inconsistent spelling

"The name "Shoshone" comes from Sosoni, a Shoshone word for high-growing grasses. Some neighboring tribes call the Shoshone "Grass House People," based on their traditional homes made from soshoni." Is it sosoni or soshoni? The article should pick one.IAmNitpicking (talk) 20:32, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The "sh" form is wrong. There is no phonemic /ʃ/ in the language, although there is a phonetic one following high front vowels. --Taivo (talk) 20:41, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

these dates don't make sense

from the article: After 1750, warfare and pressure from the Blackfoot, Crow, Lakota, Cheyenne, and Arapaho pushed Eastern Shoshone south and westward. Some of them moved as far south as Texas, emerging as the Comanche by 1700. 2603:8001:D300:A631:0:0:0:10D0 (talk) 00:53, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]