Talk:Shore Line Trolley Museum

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The current article asserts "The museum encompasses the Branford Electric Railway Historic District, which was added to the U.S. National Register of Historic Places in 1983." I think that is unlikely, and rather it is more plausible that the NRHP historic district includes a building which is now the museum. If there is any editor interested in developing this article, the NRHP application document would be highly relevant and could be obtained for free by request from the National Register. Perhaps the article should be moved to "Branford Electric Railway Historic District" already, now. doncram (talk) 10:55, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Again considering same split. NRHP doc should now be available online.^[1]
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^ ____ (, 19). "National Register of Historic Places Inventory-Nomination: Branford Electric Railway Historic District" (PDF). National Park Service. {{cite web}}: |author= has numeric name (help); Check date values in: |date= (help) and Accompanying ____ photos, exterior and interior, from 19___

Hmm, it seems not to be currently available on-line, after all, as those links don't work right now for me. But the document does remain available upon request to the National Register, by email to nr_reference (at) nps.gov.

--doncram (talk) 20:42, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would advise you to read the nomination first before proposing a split. These are identical. --Polaron | Talk 21:56, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The museum is not just the building. It includes the section of track, the sheds, etc. I don't think it makes sense to split. Staib (talk) 03:18, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The assertions that the NRHP HD is the same or is largely the same are private information, not in any source given. The question has been outstanding since July 2009. I think it is reasonable to remove unsourced assertions from the article at some point. Staib, would you be willing to request the NRHP document and obtain details, in order to add sourced statements to the article about the NRHP HD and its relationship to the Trolley Museum? (And, hopefully share the document) Polaron, likewise? --doncram (talk) 03:41, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I'll request it. What's up with their website? How long has it been down? In the mean time, the BERA website seems to be a source Bera Local Hist. Staib (talk) 15:59, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good, thanks. Altho their website is sometimes down, there's nothing currently wrong with it AFAIK. It's just that they have not scanned the NRHP nomination for this place yet. They've both scanned and made available on-line the NRHP noms for most but not all CT NRHPs, and for NRHPs in some other states. They still make all other NRHP documents available upon request, sometimes in PDF emailed and sometimes by photocopying and postal mail. I myself have several requests outstanding with them and don't want to take on more than i can handle. Glad to hear you will address this, thanks. --doncram (talk) 16:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Again considering same split. NRHP doc now does seem to be available online. I was able to download it just now.^[1]
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^ Bruce Clouette (October 8, 1982). "National Register of Historic Places Inventory-Nomination: Branford Electric Railway Historic District / Branford Trolley Museum" (PDF). National Park Service. and Accompanying 10 photos, from 1980

Staib and/or Polaron, can you please proceed to develop the article somewhat? It needs at least to explain clearly whether the Branford Electric Railway Historic District and the Branford Trolley Museum are the same or different from the Shore Line Trolley Museum. If substantially the same, then it can stay merged and show all three names in bold. If they are substantially different, then these should be different articles of course. Please email me if you would like me to return email the document (text and photos in two separate PDFs). --doncram (talk) 21:48, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

article rename/move needed

The museum webpage states "The Shore Line Trolley Museum operates the Branford Electric Railway, a National Historic Site. The railway is the oldest continuously operating suburban trolley line in the United States." So the "Museum" is the current train operator, and the railway is differnt than the museum. The Museum is a program of the Branford Electric Railway Association. (Note that the assertion that it is a National Historic Site is false; it is listed on the National Register of Historic Places but it is not a U.S. government staffed National Historic Site.)

It seems that the larger topic is the Branford Electric Railway Historic District, which encompasses any museum building that may exist, rail cars, and a good amount of railway spread over a considerable area. Would editors here be agreeable to moving the article to "Branford Electric Railway Historic District"? --doncram (talk) 21:58, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, as nobody calls it that. You also misunderstand the relationships here. The museum includes the tracks, the surrounding property and the railway cars. There is no distinction between these. --Polaron | Talk 22:02, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Polaron is correct. This place is the Shore Line Trolley Museum. The fact that the Shore Line Trolley Museum was listed on the National Register as the Branford Electric Railway Historic District did not change the name of the place. I haven't been there in a while, but if I remember correctly, there are signs directing tourists from the Interstate to the Shore Line Trolley Museum. However, you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone able to give you directions to the Branford Electric Railway Historic District. (Years ago it was called the Branford Trolley Museum, but it's been "Shore Line" for many years now.) --Orlady (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Oldest?

I'm a little surprised that no-one has picked up the very first sentence in the article. Shore Line is not the oldest trolley museum; Seashore, which celebrates its 80th birthday in July 2019, predates it by 6 years. Fanfareleh (talk) 15:25, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[nrhpinv3-1] ____ (, 19). "National Register of Historic Places Inventory-Nomination: Branford Electric Railway Historic District" (PDF). National Park Service. {{cite web}}: |author= has numeric name (help); Check date values in: |date= (help) and Accompanying ____ photos, exterior and interior, from 19___

[nrhpinv3a-2] Bruce Clouette (October 8, 1982). "National Register of Historic Places Inventory-Nomination: Branford Electric Railway Historic District / Branford Trolley Museum" (PDF). National Park Service. and Accompanying 10 photos, from 1980

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