Talk:Sheshi
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Why isn't Sheshi listed on Fifteenth dynasty of Egypt? P Ingerson (talk) 16:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
- Fixed.Iry-Hor (talk) 12:29, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Sheshi
Sheshi's scarab seals always show his prenomen. 1604 - 1594
1745-1705 (Ryholt) 1664-1662 (Redford) 1615-1602 (Franke)
According to Manetho he ruled 44 years. Recently it is accepted that he ruled 3-14 years.
Dynasty XV/XVI as vassals of the Hyksos
According to Ryholt this Hyksos ruler should have belonged to
Predecessor uncertain, Ammu Aahotepre (new arrangement & Ryholt), Salitis (von Beckerath) Successor uncertain, Nuya (new arrangement), Nehesy Aasehre (Ryholt), Meruserre Yaqub-Har (von Beckerath)
Sheshi is not listed on Fifteenth dynasty.
1 Salitis Saites, Sharek - 2 Beon Bnon - 3 Apachnas Apachnan, Pachnan - 4 Khyan Khian, Khayan - 5 Apepi Apophis, Ipepi - 6 Khamudy
The chronological ordering is largely uncertain.
1 Anather Anathaddi - 2 Aperanat Useranat - 3 Semqen - 4 Sakir-Har Sekerher,Sokarhor, Sakarher - 6 Sheshi - 7 Jakobher Jaqabhaddu - 8 Yammu Jamu - 9 Yakbim Jaqebmu - 10 Qareh - 11 Pepi III - 12 Nebmaatra Nebmaatre - 13 Aahotepra Aahetepre, Ammu - 14 Anetjerira Anetjerire - 15 Meribra Meribre - 16 Nubankhra Nubankhre - 17 Nikara II Nikare II - 18 Sharek - 19 Wazad Wadjed - 20 Kareh - 21 Sheneh
The Danish Egyptologist Kim Ryholt has suggested that Sheshi was actually a 14th Dynasty and the father of his successor, Nehesy.
R.azz.miligi (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
- All of these issues have been addressed in the new version of the article.Iry-Hor (talk) 12:29, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Tim riley (talk · contribs) 21:46, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Starting first read-through. More to follow a.s.a.p. Tim riley talk 21:46, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
- Great thank you, I am looking forward to your review. Iry-Hor (talk) 09:11, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
- Comments and suggestions
First lot; more to come:
- WP:EDITORIAL
- Nothing serious, but there are five "indeeds" in the text, and it wouldn't hurt to lose a couple.
Done I have kept only one! The others were clearly superfluous. Iry-Hor (talk) 08:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
- Nomen and prenomen on seals
- "Egyptologists universally believe that Maaibre was the prenomen of Sheshi" – that's a very strong claim. Can you prove that absolutely every Egyptologist thinks so? Otherwise I think you should modify this to something like "The consensus among Egyptologists is that Maaibre was the prenomen of Sheshi."
Done, I am yet to encounter a source disagreeing with this but it is better to be safe than to be wrong.
- Location of the finds
- "Over 80% of the seals" – the Manual of Style recommends avoiding the % symbol in prose, and using instead the word form – "per cent" if writing in English and "percent" if in American English.
done, thank you for pointing this out. Iry-Hor (talk) 08:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
- Location of the finds
- I can't work out your policy on when to give numbers as digits and when as words: "three seals have been unearthed … and a further 8 are from the wider Delta region. Four seals … and a further five…". (The "2 seal impressions" in the previous section looked a bit odd to my eye, too.)
Fixed! I try to write down numbers lower than ten and write the others with digits. The "8" and "2" are mistakes. Iry-Hor (talk) 08:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
- Vassal of the Hyksos
- It doesn't bother me much, but I notice that in the third para you open a sentence with "Thus" followed by a comma, having in the previous para opened a sentence with "Thus" with no comma. Either is fine (I'd use a comma, myself) but perhaps consistency is desirable.
Fixed. Iry-Hor (talk) 08:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
- King of the 14th Dynasty
- I'm probably exposing my ignorance here, but if I am right in thinking "Hyksos" has an aspirated H (as in the English "Henry" or German "Heinrich" as opposed to the French "Henri") then I think "was an Hyksos king" should be "was a Hyksos king". Same in the lead.
I must say I actually have no idea: as I am not a native English speaker, my pronunciation is not reliable. I will follow you on this! Iry-Hor (talk) 08:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
After a further reading I have found no more points to quibble at, and it gives me much pleasure to promote the article to GA.
Overall summary
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Tim riley Thank you for your review! I will nominate Sheshi at FAC some time soon. Iry-Hor (talk) 21:55, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Time frame
[edit]I'd prefer not to use "c. 1800 BC until 1550 BC" in the TFA. All 3 competing theories put him well after 1800; is there any reason not to say "1800 BC until 1550 BC"? ("Between 1800 and 1550 BC" also works, btw.) - Dank (push to talk) 14:54, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
- Dank I don't understand the problem?Iry-Hor (talk) 18:50, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
- You're saying circa 1800 to 1550 BC. Usually, when there's a date range, "circa" is unwelcome, because it forces the reader to guess. What date can we use that works without "circa"? 1800? 1850? - Dank (push to talk) 19:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
- Dank You could say "between c. 1750 BC and 1550 BC"?Iry-Hor (talk) 14:24, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks. - Dank (push to talk) 14:30, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- Dank You could say "between c. 1750 BC and 1550 BC"?Iry-Hor (talk) 14:24, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- You're saying circa 1800 to 1550 BC. Usually, when there's a date range, "circa" is unwelcome, because it forces the reader to guess. What date can we use that works without "circa"? 1800? 1850? - Dank (push to talk) 19:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
- Dank I don't understand the problem?Iry-Hor (talk) 18:50, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
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