Talk:She Loves You

A Hard Day's Night

Interestingly, although this article says that the song appears on A Hard Day's Night, it's not in the track listing there!

Here's what I think might have happened. She Loves You was recorded long before the album or film A Hard Day's Night, and released in the USA as one of the Beatles' first three singles, all of which flopped in the USA. It wasn't released on an album in the UK until 1973 (the Red Album), just as a single and an EP. However, in the wake of the film, all sorts of funny things were released in a hurry, nobody thought the US popularity would last and everyone wanted to make a buck while it did. I'd guess that there was a version of the album A Hard Day's Night released in the USA with She Loves You on it.

Now, what to do with the article?

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Andrewa 05:17, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

   The Beatles perform She Love You in concert in the film A Hard Day's Night. It is not on the Hard Day's Night album.
   Fashoom (talk) 03:50, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

German story copied from I Want to Hold Your Hand

The story about the German recording session was copied from I Want to Hold Your Hand, which is jarring. Which song was it that this anecdote applies to? If it was the same session, that should be made clear in both articles. Tempshill 00:32, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It was from the same session. The German versions were recorded at the same time. Johnleemk | Talk 08:37, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I find the direct repetition a little hard to stomach too. Also, this article fails to record what the chart positions were of the German language version. --kingboyk 01:50, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Recent edit to the lead

The lead section was recently changed to state that this song was the second time "Lennon/McCartney" had been used. As far as I know and looking at my sources, it was the first, and I have not seen anything that contradicts this. Unless a source can be provided, this information will have to be discarded. Also, the added statements that the song was "indisputably one of the most famous singles ever made" and "many consider it as defining the early Beatles" are examples of weasel words; corroboration from sources is required. Johnleemk | Talk 15:30, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Yeah yeah yeah

In the episode "Don't Bug The Mosquitoes" on Gilligan's Island, "Gilligan" made a reference to the song by singing "yeah yeah yeah" to the Skipper when he said, "no no no!"

Yeah yeah yeah is one of the most repeated lines of nothing in all popular music, and I'm sure if someone looked it could be proven that the Beatles weren't the first to use it.

Yeah yeah yeah they were :) Vera, Chuck & Dave 21:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm a little unsure if the Stereo Remixes section should read as it does. Although it was quite nice of him to do the mixes, Dominick Giammarino is not a notable figure in Beatles history. I think a little vote is in order. We all have toyed with Beatles songs over the years. * Sixstring1965^{The Beatles Wikiproject} August 24, 2007 21:59

tone

I've placed a {{tone}} tag on this article because of the hyperbole and the POV. -- Mikeblas 03:53, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

There is some questionable content, but why don't you fix it rather than adding the tone tag??? John Cardinal 03:05, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Mainly because I don't know much about The Beatles, but I can recognize terrible writing pretty readily. -- Mikeblas 03:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

With that comment, you put your finger on the problem with all those style-related tags - people often use them as a substitute for actually improving articles, which is why wikipedia is littered with those ugly, stupid things. IMHO, of course. - DavidWBrooks 10:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

(However, perhaps it works - it spurred to to hack out a bunch of irrelevant chunks.) - DavidWBrooks 11:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Yep; grumpy pot-shots aside, they're generally effective. -- Mikeblas 03:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Got stats to backup the "generally effective" comment? John Cardinal 00:53, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Nope, just my own experience with that tag. Fortunately, in Talk:space articles, OR is allowed and references aren't required. What really matters is that this article is getting better. -- Mikeblas 01:51, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

DavidWBrooks was working on the article before the tone tag was applied, and his edits are the only ones that are related to tone. Claim victory if you want, but the evidence doesn't support the claim. John Cardinal 13:39, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

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"Credited to"

What's with the weird wording about the songwriting? - "written by the Beatles, credited to Lennon/McCarthy" - why not just "written by Lennon/McCarthy"? - DavidWBrooks (talk) 13:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't know, but I changed it. It was not "written by the Beatles". — John Cardinal (talk) 21:18, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Lyrics

"The lyrics were largely unconventional" Interesting statement when it's (one of?) the first pop songs to be in the third person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.40.43.78 (talk) 19:53, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't you mean second person? But I agree. --Ben Culture (talk) 00:14, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Jolly What!

The rare covers uncovered at http://www.tommcmahon.net/2008/08/jolly-what-aust.html to accompany the paragraph about the Jolly What! album. Would these be allowed to be put here aswell? 82.176.160.13 (talk) 14:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Maureen on Ready Steady Go.

That’s Maureen isn’t it, Ringo’s missus, standing next to him during this clip ? (bollocks - can’t seem to successfully add this link!) Go onto YouTube and type She Loves You Ready Steady Go. She’d be his girlfriend then, so was probably trying to look anonymous - otherwise she’d get all her beehive pulled out! --Patthedog (talk) 18:37, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Recording Sie Liebt Dich

The accepted story, according to Lewisohn and others, is that, while The Beatles recorded "Komm, Gib Mir Deine Hand" by overdubbing new vocals onto the original backing track, they recorded "Sie Liebt Dich" from the ground up, since the original master tape of "She Loves You" was discarded. In fact, David Haber lays out a convincing case that "Sie Liebt Dich" was recorded in the same manner - new vocals (and lead guitar) on the original (albeit slightly sped up) backing track. The basis of the argument is that the backing tracks of both songs are too similar to have been recorded separately. Story here.--74.64.55.65 (talk) 19:06, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Removed sentence fragment, from paragraph about US release of German version

The paragraph about Swan records releasing the German version, in the US, contained this fragment, a non-sequitur as it stood:

 After buying and playing a copy of the German single, credited to Die Beatles.  

I've stuck it here in case anyone knows enough to work this back into the article properly, and cares. Ale And Quail (talk) 08:29, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Somebody cares - I recently started a major cleanup/restructuring/expansion of the article, then got derailed by work on other articles and even more derailed by various real life occurrences. I will return at some point, however, and will take care of this. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:43, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Influence on Ozzy Osbourne

I once heard an interview with Ozzy on youtube in which he credited this song for inspiring him to become an artist. He said something along the lines of "As soon as I heard "She Loves You" on the radio, I knew I wanted to be a rock star". I've looked everywhere, but I can't find the video again... Could I still add it to this article? You'reNotMyBrain (talk) 21:32, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Without a reference, it's not really suitable - people's memories are so fallible that "I remember X happening" isn't enough to be included in an article. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 00:23, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

@You'reNotMyBrain: You might want to use Entertainment Weekly, The Huffington Post, Esquire, or GQ as your sources. GoingBatty (talk) 03:15, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Found it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhIhPvIsdzM Skip to about 60 seconds in, and he starts to talk about the Beatles. You'reNotMyBrain (talk) 11:23, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks GoingBatty, they're just the sources I was looking for! You'reNotMyBrain (talk) 12:58, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

No offense to Ozzy, but that isn't really pertinent to this article - a gazillion artists are inspired by various songs. I'd say take it to *his* article. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 20:31, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

True, but I think in this case it's a bit more significant, because this song inspired Ozzy, and Ozzy formed Black Sabbath, and Black Sabbath arguably created heavy metal. But yes, I'll take it to his article, and leave its inclusion here for discussion. You'reNotMyBrain (talk) 00:33, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

In the GQ piece he talks about not liking the first couple of Beatles singles, but then being overwhelmed by "She Loves You". If we knew exactly what it was about this particular recording that got to him, it might be worth including. Wasted Time R (talk) 12:53, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Songs replacing each other

Oops, my mistake. You wrote about albums replacing each other. I was thinking the singles chart.dnsla23 22:43, 28 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talk • contribs)

live version from the hollywood bowl album

I think the official live version from the album "the beatles at the hollywood bowl" should be mentioned in the article on the same section the anthology 1 version is mentioned. it was recored on august 23 1964, on the first of the three hollywood bowl concerts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.61.41.101 (talk) 04:03, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

 Done GoingBatty (talk) 04:26, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Final vocal chord is (D, E, G) not (B, E, G)

The Composition section includes the following quote:

"They sort of finished on this curious singing chord which was a major sixth, with George [Harrison] doing the sixth and the others doing the third and fifth in the chord. It was just like a Glenn Miller arrangement."

I don't know what they sang when they showed the song to George Martin, but on the recording they did NOT sing the third (B), fifth(D), and sixth(E). Instead they sang the fifth(D), sixth(E), and root(G). I will find a source that has the correct information and revise the article as soon as I do. John Link (talk) 17:03, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

I've added a sentence that correctly identifies the final three sung notes and will provide a published source as soon as I find one. John Link (talk) 18:52, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

If you’re going to contradict George Martin then you’ll definitely need a good source first. Until then I think it is best we leave it alone, otherwise it just looks like original research. Patthedog (talk) 11:32, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

It bothers me that the article perpetrates the error George Martin made in recalling what John, Paul, and George sang. I understand that the sentence I added is technically original research, except that it can be verified by anyone with a good ear who has access to the relevant recording, so what I wrote might be considered common knowledge. Nevertheless I will delay modifying the article until I find a reliable source. If anyone can help me find a source that correctly identifies the final chord as D, E, G. Please post it here. John Link (talk) 20:51, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Would it be acceptable to append this sentence to the paragraph without a citation?

"On the recording the final vocal chord omits the third and replaces it with a G above the D and E." John Link (talk) 14:45, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Personally, I would be happier if you carried out what you suggested in your earlier statement: “I will find a source that has the correct information and revise the article as soon as I do” (Btw, I make it G B E, in that order, which still contradicts Martin's 6th/E 3rd/B 5th/D) Patthedog (talk) 21:31, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

I've been looking for a source and they all seem to quote George Martin rather than report their analysis of what they hear when listening to the recording. So far the only exception to that is a vocal tutorial that shows Paul's part as G (and George's as E, and John's as D) for the final chord. Here is a link to it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qew_-2lktyc In the tutorial, the three notes of the final chord are heard together at 2:40, John's D is heard at 3:42, George's E is heard at 5:21, and Paul's G is heard at 4:45. Might that tutorial be considered a reliable source? Here's a link to the wikipedia article about the creator of the tutorial: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Galeazzo_Frudua

Patthedog, are you saying you hear G B E with the G on the bottom, the B in the middle, and the E on top? I hear, and the tutorial cited above shows, D on the bottom, E in the middle, and G on the top. John Link (talk) 00:27, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

You’re right, the tutorial demonstrates well the three notes being D, G, E. Martin’s quote is important mainly as it illustrates his willingness to accede to the Beatles ideas as well as almost vetoing what was to become their trademark sound at the time, and the three actual notes themselves are almost a side issue as most readers wouldn’t know or care what they were. Your problem I think is trying to correct an error within a direct quote and without it being original research. I don’t think a utube link is acceptable, but others reading this will be able to advise, I’m sure. Anyway, good luck.Patthedog (talk) 10:40, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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