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veneration by Catholics?

a source please, other than a favorable opinion by Pope John Paul II. what calendar? --142.163.195.156 (talk) 14:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The only comment made in the article is that JPII called him a saint, not that he is venerated by Catholics. However, many Eastern Catholics venerate saints that have never been formally canonized by Rome. He is only officially on calendars in the Orthodox east and some parts of the Anglican communion. Nmarshall25 (talk) 05:01, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

General concerns

A significant number of the sources used in this article seem to be various self-published blogs and there are several claims based on a reference to a chat forum. These sorts of sources—especially the latter—are massively WP:NOTRELIABLE.

Also, the final section on Seraphim and the Old Ritualists relies almost exclusively on self-published blog material. While you could argue that this is a fine instance of WP:ABOUTSELF, per that very policy pages should not exclusively rely on such material. As such, I am concerned about the verifiability of many claims made regarding Seraphim and his relations/status with Old Ritualists.

One of the sources of Anglican veneration failed verification.

I am generally concerned about the lack of reliable sourcing throughout this article. I am generally accepting of primary sourcing once notability has been established with secondary sources (and Seraphim is definitely notable), but good sourcing does not automatically whatever one finds when you Google someone's name. I might come back to this article over time and work on little pieces. I just added lots of maintenance tags to alert other editors and readers to the current situation. Nmarshall25 (talk) 05:00, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]