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Franciscan or Capuchin?

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you have no right to close hudson catholic and i pray that some day God will forgive you because i wont —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.159.187.181 (talk) 22:27, 30 March 2009 (UTC) Is O'Malley a Franciscan priest? I thought he was Capuchin. 63.202.80.51 (talk · contribs)[reply]

Capuchins are "the chief and only permanent offshoot of the Franciscans." All Capuchins are Franciscans, but not all Franciscans are Capuchin; Capuchins are a part of the Franciscans order. So he's both. Neutralitytalk 22:16, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thus, regular Franciscans sign their name with "O.F.M.", while Franciscan Capuchins use "O.F.M., Cap." and Franciscan Conventuals use "O.F.M., Conv." The nuns have a variety of other initials. If you get confused, just remember that the Capuchins are the ones with the silly hats. Lawrence King 05:12, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cardinal-designate

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His Eminence Cardinal-designate Sean P. O'Malley OFM Cap. is his official name untill he's offcially Cardinal. If you do your homework you would know this. It says so on the THe Piliot the offcial Catholic Newspaper for the Archdiocese of Boston. Americas oldest CAtholic Newspaper.

Sorry, but a title Cardinal-designate doesn't exist. Even if the Pilot makes use of it. Gugganij 16:58, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Exuse me this is his offcial name untill named Cardinal. Pay attention!! Please go the offcial site of the Archdiosese of Boston. Read!! www.rcab.org It says Cardinal-Designate. People just say what they want and claim what they want but have no evidence to back it up. Like you!!-User:Gugganij

I humbly disagree. Cardinal-designate might be a polite way to adress him till the public presentation of the "biglietto", but it is not an official title. In contrary to, for example, a bishop coadjutor or a president-elect, he has no legal claim to be created. The pope can, at any time, decicde NOT to create him a cardinal. Gugganij 13:06, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
P.S.:[1] still refers to him as "Most Revernd".
P.P.S.:Have a look at [2] and go to section "THE CONSISTORY: Numero Uno". Well, it's just a blog, but the guy is a correspondent of The Tablet - therefore, not the worst source. Gugganij 13:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No evidence to support you claim. This is his offcial title. Where is your evidence???? Maybee you should send an E-mail to Archdioses your self and see....

Well, what evidence do you need? [3] refers to him as "Most Reverend" (no eminence, no cardinal-designate), and the Vatican does the same in the case of archbishop Levada [4]. Gugganij 21:48, 14 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well I think someone here does not have eyes to read. Go to the offcial Archdioses website. http://www.rcab.org/Pilot/2006/ps060310/O'MalleyHomily.html It dominatly says Cardinal-Designate. What you may have been reading might have been outdated. If you read for once you will probally now the truth. It say says Cardinal-Designate.

As I told you before, in his biography [5] at the archdiocese's webpage, he is not referred to as Cardinal-designate. The bulletin of the Vatican mentioned above is from March 3, 2006 - obviously not outdated. I don't doubt that the article you mentioned above refer to him as Cardinal-Designate, but that doesn't make it an official title (I guess it's just courtesy). Please show me any official Vatican document introducing or using the title "Cardinal-designate". By the way, just to remind you, they are making the rules and not the Pilot. Gugganij 13:30, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean: "By the way they make the rules not the Piliot. Some people again don't have minds. Do you honestly think if the Piliot makes it own rules does what it wants, do think it would be in exsistence? The publisher of the Piliot is Sean O'Malley hiself. It's a Church aproved newspaper.

Also note that it says apointed Bishop of Boston in 2003 and does not mention him being raised to Cardinal. This shows this has not been updated.

Well, not exactely, since O'Malley is indeed not yet raised to Cardinal. This will happen during the consistory next week. Therefore the page is perfectly up to date.

Actually no! You misunderstood me! I meant he's going to be elevated to CArdinal. Not being or named Cardinal.

And again, just show me ANY official or semi-official Vatican document introducing "Cardinal-designate" as a title. The policy is clear: The Vatican doesn't use it, and even the archdiocese of Boston doesn't use it in formal statements (have a look at Statement Of the Massachusetts Catholic Conference On Behalf Of Archbishop Seán P. O’malley (Boston), .... The Pilot is free, like you and me, to address O'Malley as Cardinal-designate out of courtesy, but that doesn't make it an official title. Well, anyway, in a few days, our argument will be over. Gugganij 08:34, 17 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Due to some ignorance let's just use his secular name. We unfortunately have to do this because of ignorance here.

Poor Gugganij; did you not like me suggesting that you and your 'friends' should 'GET A LIFE'? Otherwise why would you have deleted my suggestion? Surely you believe in freedom of expression? Why would you not want all the others who avidly read this to know that there are some people who believe that the form of address which one uses for a member of the College of Cardinals is not - in the overall scheme of things - terribly important. So I suggest that you really do GET A LIFE!

Well, the whole purpose of Wikipedia is to give proper information to its readers. I don't care how Cardinal O'Malley is addressed by people meeting him personally, but it's certainly within the scope of this article to provide this information accurately. I agree that this question is not extremely imporant, but please don't deprive me of the fun of arguing. Concerning your previous comment, I would like to refer you to WP:NPA. Gugganij 10:49, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To whomever the aggro party is, here -- aren't you just saying, "Haw haw! I was TROLLING!"? Kudos to Gugganij for handling it with aplomb. And apologies for messageboard-like comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.56.24 (talk) 13:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Which John?

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Which St. John did he take his name in honor of? John the Baptist or John the Apostle, I assume. TimBentley (talk) 00:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I thought it was John the Evanglist. Travelbird, where are you getting John the Apostle? Briancua 04:27, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seán P. O'Malley

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I took the liberty to correct the article title because this is how his name is most often cited in his own archdiocese newspaper The Pilot. Beemish 23:14, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

citation as sex offender?

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This article names Cardinal O'Malley as "sex offender of the year" and that he is "proud" of this award. Is there any documentation for this? Who "gave" this award? Are there lawsuits against the cardinal? If there is no documentation, this would seem defamatory and unfair to level a very serious charge without ANY citation of any kind.DaveTroy 17:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

habit

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Just a side note, the Cardinal does not have a monastic habit, as he is not a monk. The OFM Caps are religious, but not monastic. Benedictines would have monastic habits for example.DaveTroy 17:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Combine small sections

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I combined 3 small sections into 1 about politics, i think it looks nicer hopefully nobody disagrees if you do then revert it and discuss —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smitty1337 (talk • contribs) 20:04, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template SACC

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Including O'malley in this series without listing him into any of its catagories seems a bit useless. I've reconsidered my prior objections after reading through the series I've found that he would fit just fine into the subcategory "Category:Anti-pedophile activists in Catholic sex abuse cases" due to his activities in Fall River and Boston. But far more information regarding his role would be required to warrant such inclusion, I'm not opposed to this so long as its kept reasonable in contrast to the rest of the article without undue weight given to it. I'm going to leave the template alone but I will add the category Smitty1337 (talk) 12:27, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Notice of requested move discussion

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Hello, I have started a discussion on Talk:Sean O'Malley that watchers of this page may be interested in. See Talk:Sean_O'Malley#Requested_move_26_September_2021. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:56, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 October 2021

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: (non-admin closure) NOT MOVED. Based on this discussion and the previous RMs for the MMA fighter, there is a consensus against a move to Sean O'Malley (without parenthetical disambiguation), and a separate consensus against Seán O'Malley (with a diacritic and without parenthetical disambiguation). The natural disambiguation through a middle name is preferred to parenthetical disambiguation. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 01:00, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seán Patrick O'Malley → Seán O'Malley – It was successfully argued on the talk page of the fighter Sean O'Malley, that the Cardinal's common name was Seán O'Malley, and as a result the fighter's page was moved. If that's the case I don't see a reason why the Cardinal's page shouldn't be moved.  ♡RAFAEL♡(talk) 10:28, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). No such user (talk) 08:38, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @RafaelHP: I closed the fighter RM, and I thought that WP:NCCLERGY required middle names for cardinals. However, that's not the case. Therefore, I'm not substantially contesting your request, but I'd like to first solicit input from TonyBallioni who extensively researched the matter recently. No such user (talk) 13:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was also going to add to this: Did you mean to target it to Seán O'Malley (cardinal)? Just per your argument in the second RM and the apparent disagreement over which one is primary. ASUKITE 14:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seán O'Malley isn't a good title, as the accented A isn't used by all sources [6] [7] [8]. Would prefer to avoid the parenthetical if possible, so the status quo is probably best. In any case, not uncontroversial. 162 etc. (talk) 20:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The status quo is fine. He is referred to by both names. If we just used Seán O'Malley then we would still need a disambiguator for the reasons stated in the last RM. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:26, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose sigh. WP:CONSISTENT is the relevant policy here. Wikipedia has adopted as a house style that typically uses the full names of Catholic bishops, or at the least their middle initial. Yes, you can find counterexamples because it is a crowdsourced project, but this is very clearly a trend and arguably one of the more common ones if not the most common one. The policy is clear. We should be consistent with how we title like subjects. Sean O'Malley the cardinal is the primary topic for Sean O'Malley. When the MMA fighter retires within 2 years he'll be deleted at AfD. Let's be honest. But this WP:POINTy RM ignores the fact that the primary topic for a name can be held at another name because Wikipedia has adapted a house style. What we should do is change the dab to a redirect here, but that can wait a few years until the MMA guy is deleted. TonyBallioni (talk) 06:05, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hate to burst your bubble but the fighter won't be deleted via AfD, he's considered notable by fighting in the UFC more then three times, a policy that will likely never change. ♡RAFAEL♡(talk) 13:35, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not really the topic here, but I'd be willing to bet otherwise. I'm a huge proponent of subject notability guidelines, but I don't see that one actually having community consensus and a well written nomination by someone respected in the community could probably get it deleted after he retires. Anyway, we don't go against a common house style just because of COMMONNAME. If anything, the solution would be to change the disambiguation page to a redirect here (Necrothesp, do you have thoughts on that one? I could go either way.) TonyBallioni (talk) 06:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't actually think there is any sort of convention, on Wikipedia or otherwise, that Catholic bishops use full names or middle initials (I assume you're only referring to American Catholic bishops here in any case). WP:COMMONNAME is all that's important and is not trumped by any sort of project house style. But given in this case his full name is often seen I have no problem with retaining the status quo. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:10, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Move discussion in progress

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