Talk:Scythian campaign of Darius I

Opinion

The article author(s) makes repeated claims about the success of the Persian invasion without any textual support. This stance is tendentious, at best. RobotBoy66 (talk) 09:20, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Unreliable source, one-sided. Denies contemporary Turkish source

Öñre Bıña Başı the Turkish historian from the Turkish Commonwealth is also a source for this conflict. So its not only herodotus, and unlike herodotus. Öñre Bıña Başı and every other historian from the Turkish Commonwealth none of them mix myths and tailes with reality and also they dont write from their own opinion, and even try to write objectifely not even mentioning themselves unless theyre talking about an event in which they take place in themselves. For example; see Tarïat and Şine-Usu inscriptions erected by Öñre Bıña Başı. Öñre Bıña Başı in his work of the Şine-Usu inscription mentions Ürüñ Beg calling for his help against Darius, and afterwards mentions himself using guerilla warfare against Darius and defeating him. I will provide much more in depth information about Öñre Bıña Başı after I have created a page about him and then we will also be able to edit such articles like these. Also Öñre Bıña Başı is not the only source from the Turkish Commonwealth, The Palace historians (Yoluğ Tïgin) by order of the Qağans also mentioned this event of the war against Darius afterwards. HiddenRealHistory19 (talk) 02:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Modified result

I'll create this in advance just in case, because there may be a question about the recent edit.[1]

I changed the outcome based on the new WP:RS, to be honest, nowhere in the article does there appear a direct quote that the Persians won, except for a lot of captured lands, which does not correlate with the final result, because the main task of the Persians was to punish the Scythians directly, on p.138 Gulyaev write: The next layer of information about the past of Scythia is associated with the dramatic events of the end of the VI century BC, when the Persian king Darius I decided, at the head of a huge army, to invade the Northern Black Sea region from the west, across the Danube, and "punish" the militant nomadic Scythians for past (almost two centuries ago) "sins", that is, for outrages in Media and Near Asia at the end of the VII century BC. In any case, this was the reason for the outbreak of war chosen, according to Herodotus, the ruler of Persia. Based on this, the main goal of the Persians was not to capture the deserted territory of the Scythians, but to punish the latter, which ultimately failed.

To top it off with a second quote from the same source: However, only the pitiful remnants of a once formidable army left the Scythian borders. So ingloriously ended the attempt of the powerful Persian Empire to conquer the Northern Black Sea region. This war not only brought the Scythians the glory of an invincible people, but also increased the military and political priority of the Scythians in this and in neighboring regions. The victory over Darius had a great impact on the strengthening of the central government in Scythia itself.

I will also quote the second source (Kuznetsova 1992): Having invaded the Black Sea steppes, Darius I hoped to quickly deal with the Scythians, but he failed. The Scythians chose a successful tactic of luring the enemy into the interior of the country and, without engaging the howling Persians in battle, exhausted him in the steppe expanses of the Black Sea region, forced him to flee, leaving the sick and weak warriors to their fate. Thus, the Scythians won, having acquired the name of an invincible people in history. The campaign of Darius against the Scythians is dated by researchers in different ways, but the most likely assumption is the date that relates this event to 512 BC.

With a couple of differences, campaign can be compared to a similar one in Greece, about which a discussion has already collapsed, where it was decided that the most logical results were an indecisive or Greek victory (agreed on the first), so, I will indicate the discrepancies:

1: There was no general battle, which one of the sides was so clearly looking for it.

2: Complete withdrawal of Persian troops from the territory of the Scythian steppes.

3: Availability of WP:RS about Scythians victory.

The previous text was not supported by any sources, except for a quote referring to the time of the campaign, and not its consequences (Boardman 1982), changing the outcome on such a basis clearly violates the policy WP:OR. So I'm changing the result from Persian victory to Scythians victory. Dushnilkin (talk) 18:32, 7 November 2024 (UTC)