Talk:Scooby-Doo/Archive 2
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Drug use
The perceived drug use of Scooby and Shaggy at least is widely, widely documented in popular culture, and warrants mention. Thoughts? -Oreo Priest talk 13:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- There was a whole section on adult themes, but it was removed to the talk page for some reason. You can find it further up on this page. Tad Lincoln (talk) 06:42, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Real-life Mystery Machines, 2009 tour?
I'd Like To Know Where you got that picture or heard of it or where it is now i'm curious? And Also where did the other fans paint thier vans to look like the mystery machine come from? i googled it but found no results, can you show me the links?24.7.204.215 (talk) 05:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Also what is the 2009 tour?24.7.204.215 (talk) 05:34, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- The tour was a live stage show, but for photos of fan vans, just use Google Images. -- Zanimum (talk) 15:50, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Scooby-Doo kids series: A Pup Named Scooby Doo
I seem to recall a show when I was a kid (in the 80's/90's) called Scooby-Doo Kids or something like that. It was basically Scooby-Doo, but they were all kids. I couldn't see anything like that in this article, so am I missing it, or can someone please point me in the right direction? Thanks. 58.166.69.56 (talk) 15:26, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Remove "Assumed Adult Themes" section?
I think that the "Assumed Adult Themes" should be removed because these are based on opinions, are unproductive and not facts. I find it hard to believe that the show's creators/producers would put stuff like that in there.
Wolfdog406 (talk) 23:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- While I agree show's creators/producers likely didn't put the stuff here in the show you can't ignore the fact that a good number of fans did and still do see these things. The drug connection with Shaggy was do with his beatnik-hippie appearance and his constant appetite (supposedly a sign of marijuana use); more charitable fans had suggested that Shaggy suffered from Graves' disease.
- That said the Fred and Daphne connection is a little iffier as Velma was more likely be with Fred and Daphne as she was with Shaggy and Scooby in the early episodes of Scooby-Doo, Where Are You! though she would get separated and be wandering around alone. When that happened odds were she would somehow loose her glasses so she could do a Mr Magoo. For example, in one episode Velma wanders into a torture chamber without her glasses and says "This must be the playroom; there are so many interesting toys." only to say "How did I get into this horrible room" once Shaggy gives her her extra pair of glasses. In "What a Night for a Knight" Velma without her glasses mistakes the knight ghost for Shaggy and tries to give him some cough medicine.--BruceGrubb (talk) 12:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- Whether or not the show's creators put it in there, it's extremely well documented, and a widespread part of popular culture and public perception of the show. Definitely should stay. Oreo Priest talk 14:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I was curious to learn more about Shaggy's purported use of cannabis and found, to my surprise, a near total vacuum pertaining to the subject. Yes, I've heard the claim by the actors and others associated with the show that there was no intent to portray Shaggy as a cannabis user — Casey Kasem even saying that the notion never occurred to him. I simply find such claims incredible. Even though I first watched the show at age 12 and was, at the time, a strict fundamentalist Christian who rarely even saw people smoke cigarettes, I immediately assumed that Shaggy was being presented as a stoner. I find it hard to believe that I am a rarity in this regard. I acknowledge that hard facts about this are hard to come by — barring some admission from one of the original creators. Still, a simple Google search (scooby-doo stoner) turns up over a million hits. Can the case be made that the speculation is part of the show's larger story? This isn't an earth-shaking matter, I know, but perhaps we can consider it food for thought. 173.80.230.142 (talk) 21:20, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
- I grew up during the first run of all but the original Scooby-Doon shows in a house that was neither Christian nor conservative and honestly it never occurred to me that Shaggy was a stoner. I was thin and always hungry myself so his behavior, other than an odd taste in food, didn't seem that out of the ordinary for me.
- That being said, since the subject is never depicted in the show and everyone associated the show disavows it, the issue therefor amounts to internet rumors and fan fiction and is not suitable for Wiki. Ckruschke (talk) 19:20, 21 February 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke
Just a question
Are we really at a point that we need to start to specify What Dimension everything is filmed in ? Mlpearc MESSAGE 23:11, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
- In this situation, 2D just means "not like Toy Story", as opposed to "not like Pirahnas 3D. -- Zanimum (talk) 15:50, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Talk page getting too long?
Do you think that this page needs to be archived due to length, or is it a "Jeepers!" mistake for now? Let me know! 69.228.210.138 (talk) 04:12, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
- Is there any Wikipedia policy I don't know of that says we can't just remove the numerous spam topics that are taking up most of this page? ——Digital Jedi Master (talk) 08:51, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
- I have an auto-archiving bot set up myself. JJ98 (talk) 07:29, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Debuted in 1969, not 1970
In several places this page refers to the show as having debuted on Saturday morning, September 13, 1970. I believe that is incorrect. All other relevant Wikipedia pages (and other online references) correctly identify the date as Saturday, September 13, 1969. Indeed, September 13, 1970 was a Sunday, so "Saturday, September 13, 1970" doesn't even exist as a real date. If no one objects, I'm going to make the change throughout. azaner 01:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azaner (talk • contribs)
Ohio?
The article says nothing about the show being set in Ohio. Where is the citation for having Scooby Doo in the category of Television Shows set in Ohio? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.65.99 (talk) 13:36, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
- It is well known that the none of the new series, movies, etc, from 1988-to now, are connected to the original Scooby-Doo series from 1969-1985. All that stuff was made up to add new stuff to the shows. A Pup Named Scooby-Doo, the two live-action films and the two live-action telefilms are the only series that use Coolsville, Ohio in them. What's New Scooby-Doo? does not use it at all and the new series Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated has them living in Crystal Cove. So to put this in there is irrelevant as there is a constant change in the series. JamesAlan1986 (talk-Contributes) 06:42, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Origin of the phrase Scooby Doo.
The television cartoon Scooby-Doo debuted in 1969. I heard the term Scooby Doo used in an episode of The Beverly Hillbillies from the very early 1960's. Mr. Drysdales son said "Well Scooobiiee Dooo" Does anybody know what the term means and when it started getting used? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.30.94.245 (talk) 02:51, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- Look up scoubidou — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.132.235.235 (talk) 13:47, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
- Or indeed Scoubidou_(song) (1958). 86.7.30.217 (talk) 00:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
The Black Knight
The Black Knight was the first Scooby-Doo villian, and is famous because of that. I think should have his own wikipedia. There's a lot of information that can be said about him. --Hoppybunny (talk) 19:19, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- No there isn't. That's what Wikia is for. --FuriousFreddy (talk) 06:23, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Reoccurring Monsters?
Shouldn't we start a section for reoccurring monsters as they seem to have a repeat of certain monster, eg. They have done the Loch Ness Monster at least three times, The yeti at least twice. This is just off the top of my head I know there's more. And I know some would say that's "trivia" but it's really not I think it's actually information worth knowing and posting. Other opinions? Please post Oppose: or Support: before you opinion. Thanks! JamesAlan1986 (talk-contribs) 18:47, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- ADD ON: Also if it's agreed to do this, it'll need to be posted (along side the monster) which episode or movie they are in.
- Eg.
- Lock Ness Monster - Scooby-Doo! and the Loch Ness Monster, Laff-A-Lympics episode "The Sahara Desert and Scotland", and The Scooby-Doo Show episode "A Highland Fling with a Monstrous Fling".
That's all. JamesAlan1986 (talk-contribs) 18:55, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Scooby Doo Fanon Wiki
People need to stop adding entries to the article from the Scooby Doo Fanon Wiki site. These films are fan made and do not need to be inserted into the article over and over again.
Scooby Doo Fanon Wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.162.165.210 (talk) 11:10, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Scooby-Doo 3: Mystery Incorporated
This film continues to be put under the live action movies section. Warner has yet to announce a third film for the series. It simply does not exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.162.165.210 (talk) 07:12, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Monsters
Should there be a page of List of Scooby Doo Monsters ?
92.232.119.244 (talk) 23:12, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
- Probably not. For the vast majority of them, if independent reliable sources discuss them at all, it's a few sentences in the plot summary. - SummerPhDv2.0 00:45, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
- could we put a section on the page to summary the monsters (and the significant ones) at least. 92.232.119.244 (talk) 11:50, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Cast table
Can we add a cast table I have already started one feel free to help fill in.
cast and characters
- Note: A grey cell indicates character did not appear in that medium.
talk
- I've removed the chart as it runs way off the page, and the majority of characters listed do not appear in more than one series. It's generally frowned upon to create "charts" of any sort on Wikipedia, as it's professional-looking to explain what you are saying in prose if possible. See WP:PROSE for more explanation on that style convention. All of the information on this chart is explained in detail on both the main page and the character pages, so a table seems very unnecessary and redundant in this particular case. Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 02:45, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
- can you please help me improve this than? We could only have regular chartres that sported in more than x enrtry than also have a spoarted chart for tv shows films and specials or periods I.e 60s-80s 92.232.119.244 (talk) 10:39, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
example two
| Charters | Tv series | TV movies | Thericial Films | Direct to video films | Specials |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Scooby-Doo | Example | Example | Example | Example | |
| Shaggy Rogers | Example | Example | Example | Example | |
| Velma | Example | Example | Example | Example | |
| thorn | Example | Example | Example | Example | |
| dust. | Example | Example | Example | Example | |
| Scrappy-Doo | Example | Example | Example | Example |
92.232.119.244 (talk) 12:12, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
The scooby project
Should there be a page for The scooby project most o the specials have one also how long is it I hread it was 10mins but I found a 17min one on utube[1] Fanoflionking (talk) 21:24, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
References
- The article was previously deleted due to the special being non-notable. Offhand, I would say probably no to creating the page since it was previously deleted, but if you feel there are significant reliable sources for the article you're welcome to reopen the RfD discussion and see what the consensus is. I believe the special is 10 minutes, at least the version I've seen is. Hope this helps, Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 19:51, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
filmography
I tried to make a saprter page for all he filmography but something went wrong dose anyone care to help? Fanoflionking (talk) 23:42, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
- If you want to find out why your changes were reverted, read the edit summaries. If you want to propose a split, the method is outlined at WP:SPLIT. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:27, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
- Hi and thanks for starting this discussion! I reverted your 'starter page', because per Wikipedia policy, page splits and moves must be discussed and a consensus must be reached by multiple editors (usually). Just for the future, generally it's also not acceptable to just delete info and copy-and-paste it onto another page without linking back to the main page. I guess my personal opinion on the Scooby-Doo filmography page is that everything is fine as it is now, though if anyone else has an opinion on this I'm definitely open to other perspectives! :) Cheers, Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 19:40, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
- IMO, the main Scooby page is gigantic and could probably stand to have a trim. I think a filmography page would actually help the length of this INCREDIBLE LONG page, but I agree that it should be discussed. Ckruschke (talk) 18:59, 6 April 2018 (UTC)Ckruschke
- I would support a list called "List of Scooby-Doo media", like some franchises have.★Trekker (talk) 21:50, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
- IMO, the main Scooby page is gigantic and could probably stand to have a trim. I think a filmography page would actually help the length of this INCREDIBLE LONG page, but I agree that it should be discussed. Ckruschke (talk) 18:59, 6 April 2018 (UTC)Ckruschke
Here is a Scooby-Doo filimogly for the page dose anyone want to help finish it? Fanoflionking (talk) 23:06, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
- Okie dokie, I fixed it up a bit, hopefully you like it. Per Ckruschke's above comment, I guess I agree that the page is pretty large and could use a separate page. Upon looking at the current draft, I have a couple minor suggestion. I think the current draft page name should be changed, especially considering there's a typo in there. I'm fine with calling it "List of Scooby-Doo media", unless anyone has other names they think would be better. Also, what are people's thoughts on including the video game and stage play charts in this page? Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 22:32, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Not too sure if plays and video games should count? But I got a some questions should Scooby-Doo: Behind the Scenes be counted as a spiceal or series also is it possible to add a total episode count? And should we have critical reception of Films? And fanily should we count Scooby's All-Star Laff-A Lympics as a series and how about compties like Mystery Funhouse --Fanoflionking (talk) 22:51, 8 April 2018 (UTC)Fanoflionking (talk) 22:47, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
- I knew there was something I forgot to mention! I deleted the total episode count just because I think it would get a bit messy. There's a lot of confusion around whether to count the shorts individually or not in series like The Richie Rich/Scooby-Doo Show. That's not to say we definitely shouldn't add one, but I think it would cause a lot of confusion and edit warring which could be easily solved by not including the episode count, and leaving it up to reader interpretation. As for your other questions, I would say Behind the Scenes should be counted as under specials, seeing as it's just 8 less than a minute shorts which were aired together. The critical receptions of films would probably be best left on the respective pages for each of the film, rather than on the filmography page itself. I would say Scooby's All-Star Laff-a-Lympics would definitely count as a series, seeing Scooby's name is in the title. Eh, my personal opinion is we should leave the repackage shows like Scooby's Mystery Funhouse out, just because it's not "new" content and it's just an umbrella programming block for grouping the old episodes which are part of another series. Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 17:44, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
The page for Where's My Mummy? says “The film had a limited theatrical release in the United States on May 13, 2005” and Scooby-Doo! & Batman: The Brave and the Bold “the Bold since the series ended in 2011. The film was premiered at the TCL Chinese Theatre[7] on January 6, 2018[8]” do we have box office for the titles Fanoflionking (talk) 18:39, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
- Hrmm. The Scooby-Doo, Where's My Mummy? page doesn't have that info sourced at all, meaning someone could have added something fake. The TCL Chinese Theatre would not have a box office because it was a one-time "Hollywood premiere" showing, and not something that actually made it to theaters. Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 19:10, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Is there anythingelse we need too do (I.E photo, ertc) B4 moveing pageFanoflionking (talk) 16:40, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
- The page looks good at this point. I would say we should wait maybe a few days to move the article into the mainspace, just to make sure no one else has any other comments or objections to splitting the page that they'd like to add to the discussion. I also moved Scoobynatural into the 'special episodes' section, seeing as its not a film and is part of another series. In the meantime, do we think the long list of series/films in the infobox should be deleted once we have this list of Scooby-Doo media? IMO it seems a bit redundant to have if we are making this page. Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 18:41, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
Not sure about the infobox maybe it should stay here? What do u think? Is there a picture/s we could used for the new page I.E the Scooby-Doo logo, a frame for episode or movie or even a poster for a film, ertc? Fanoflionking (talk) 22:31, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
- We should keep the main page's infobox, but as I said I think we should delete the list of films/series from it, as it seems redundant to have them on that page and then also this new one. Per the Wikipedia image use policy, the image would have to be one that is free of copyright restrictions, so an episode/movie frame probably wouldn't work. The Scooby-Doo logo is probably our best option. Or we could just re-use one of the images that's on the main page. Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 22:41, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
- I think the article looks about ready to move. Anyone else have any final questions or concerns they'd like to note before it's officially moved? Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 19:32, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
How about comic books like world of mystery and Apocalypse as well as books? Fanoflionking (talk) 21:02, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
- I mean, if you want to take the time to document and type all those out on the article, more power to you! From what I've seen though, there's not really anywhere they're currently documented on Wikipedia other than a few of the comic series. You're more than welcome to add those of course, and I'm sure people would find it helpful if you added them. I however am not even close to motivated enough to take the time to document the thousands of comics and books, but tbh that's just me being lazy lol. So go ahead and add them if you like!
Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 23:03, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
I added in a section of books and comics witch can be expanded Fanoflionking (talk) 08:25, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
- and if u want we can move it now, and if there anything we did not do we can do it on the new page Fanoflionking (talk) 14:00, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
- It looks ready to me, though I edited several of your additions in the comic section. FYI it's generally frowned upon to leave sections entirely blank, so I temporarily removed the book section until there is actually content in it. I also fixed the notes, which had various minor grammatical and capitalization errors. I also removed some non-existant links and the link to the Where Are You comic, as it would link readers to the television series that has nothing to do with the comic. Feel free to take a look at what I've done, and if you're okay with what I changed, I think it's definitely ready to be moved. Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 19:05, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
I moved it and link both pages (hopefully) I Will also moved this conversation over as well so if we like to continue pealse dessction on new page. Fanoflionking (talk) 22:51, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
- Looks great, thanks for collaborating!! :) Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 00:13, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
Scooby Doo and Guess Who?
New show just announced here, for [[Boomerang (TV channel) | Bommerang], "The new Scooby-Doo cartoon, Scooby-Doo and Guess Who?, is a team-up series in the tradition of 1972’s The New Scooby-Doo Movies. Instead of joining forces with the likes of the Harlem Globetrotters, however, Mystery Inc. will solve mysteries with contemporary all-stars, Bill Nye the Science Guy, Chris Paul, Sia and Wonder Woman. The series will be produced by Chris Bailey (Kim Possible).". Someone's already made a page for it here Scooby-Doo and Guess Who?219.88.68.195 (talk) 00:55, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Done, thanks! :) Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 23:57, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Photo doesn't match the description
The caption for one of the photos reads: "Every episode of the original Scooby-Doo format contains a penultimate scene in which the kids unmask the ghost-of-the-week to reveal a real person in a costume, as in this scene from "Nowhere to Hyde"..." However, the image in question just shows the kids talking to a police officer who has the villain handcuffed. There's absolutely no unmasking going on in this scene. Does anyone have a more accurate image to use? -- Tom H12 (talk) 21:21, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
Scooby
should we beguin work on a article for the upcoming scooby (theracty film) that out in may 2020 Fanoflionking 13:00, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
Pop culture
The parody of Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated's Dreamweaver (appearing in the fourth episode of season two) present in Rick and Morty's eighth episode of season three (Morty's Mind Blowers) isn't mentioned in the 'Pop culture' section of the Scooby-Doo article. Their resemblance is stiking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GabrielRudic (talk • contribs) 15:35, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
New page
there is a new page now in Draft:Hanna-barbera cinematic universe if anyone want to comeover and help devpolmt Fanoflionking 13:58, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
guess who?
just to let people know that List of Scooby-Doo and Guess Who? episodes is now in darfts Fanoflionking — Preceding undated comment added 13:58, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Mystery Incorporated (2020)
is Mystery Incorporated (2020) notable of being menttion on this page? www.indiegogo.com/projects/mystery-incorporated#/ Fanoflionking 19:21, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
Mystery Machine
Should there be a page for the Mystery Machine specifically? The van has a robust history along with many different variations in media. Austinaga (talk) 18:21, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
IIRC, it wasn't really a character, it was just a vehicle. --Countryboy603 (talk) 18:33, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
Scooby Doo/Courage the Cowardly Dog Crossover
Since the page is locked, could we mention somewhere the new crossover with Scooby and Courage? It's called Straight Outta Nowhere: Scooby-Doo! Meets Courage the Cowardly Dog 63.248.183.81 (talk) 05:42, 27 June 2021 (UTC) Thanks. 63.248.183.81 (talk) 05:42, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
Joe Ruby and Ken Spears "creating" the series
So there's an (uncited) claim that Joe Ruby and Ken Spears created the original series, however I feel there's a bit more nuance to it then that. We have JR and KS themselves claiming that they wrote the lion's share of the episodes, Joe Barbera's biography only directly acknowledging they bloked out the scripts...They themselves allegedly wrote most of the episodes (but another source claims that Bill Lutz wrote the entire first season). Already this is getting very complicated...I believe this requires more investigation. --Smcupcake19 (talk) 03:57, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Mystery Incorporated YouTube Series
On the 31st of January, 2020, a new YouTube channel named Mystery Incorporated was created with plans to create an official live-action series of Scooby-Doo. Described as having been heavily inspired by Supernatural, Riverdale, and the original Scooby-Doo cartoons. It is going to be directed by Dante Yore and will star Dade Elza, Jessica Chancellor, Dayeanne Hutton, Chris Villain, and Thor Von Schultz as the gang.
They are currently raising funds with Indiegogo to film a full hour-long pilot episode.
(161.29.246.205 (talk) 02:43, 10 January 2022 (UTC))
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Ninjago has also referenced Scooby-Doo with The Island miniseries, which even goes as far as to use the "And I would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!" The structure of the miniseries is near identical to classic Scooby-Doo episode structures. 65.131.40.110 (talk) 07:38, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 09:40, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Typo in a footnote
Is: Ignacio, Cynthia Quimpo (2002). "Iwao Takamoto: Scooby-Doo and Iawo, Too". Yolk 2.0. Los Angeles: Informasian Media Group, Inc. Archived from the original on October 3, 2007.
Should be: Ignacio, Cynthia Quimpo (2002). "Iwao Takamoto: Scooby-Doo and Iwao, Too". Yolk 2.0. Los Angeles: Informasian Media Group, Inc. Archived from the original on October 3, 2007. 89.64.68.220 (talk) 13:39, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Done. 👍 Mayhair (talk) 12:34, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Save our Scooby Snacks
With all due respect to those venerable colleagues at AfD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scooby Snacks does seem like an act of cultural vandalism, the young whippersnappers enforcing an act of trans-generational cultural vandalism perhaps. While the outcome was merge, the discussion looks to have had strong arguments for keep too. So, what I propose is to the complete the merge, then WP:SPLIT the content on Scooby Snacks to, ah, perhaps Scooby Snacks on the grounds that the Scooby-Doo article is WP:TOOBIG. Alternatively, do we have consensus here to ignore the AfD outcome? Klbrain (talk) 10:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)