Talk:Sauromatian culture

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Wikidata link, etc.

I am wondering whether this is incorrectly linked on Wikidata, or whether the Russian name provided here is wrong. It seems one of these has to be the case. I believe it is the former. This article says the Russian is "Савроматская культура", but the linked Russian-language article is ru:Сарматская культура: "Савроматская" vs. "Сарматская", basically "Sauromatian" vs. "Sarmatian". Sarmatian culture is a redirect to Sarmatians. This article says that "Sauromatian" is distinct from "Sarmatian", and refers to an earlier period. There is no distinct Wikidata item for Sauromatian culture: Sarmatian culture (Q18534333) simply gives it as an alias. The Russian-language article appears to be entirely about the later period (beginning, rather than ending, in the 4th Century BCE).

If responding, please ping me: I don't maintain a watchlist on en-wiki. - Jmabel | Talk 02:12, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmabel: The Russian article which is linked (incorrectly) from here is about the later Sarmatian culture (4th century BCE - 2nd century CE) (they call it Сарматская культура, "Sarmatskaya kul'tura"). But in that article, they do have a link to a currently empty (potential) article about the preceding Sauromatians (6-4th century BCE), which they call савроматской культуры "Savromatskoy kul'tury". So our article here should link to the empty савроматской культуры "Savromatskoy kul'tury", and the corresponding Wikidata etc... So yes, some reordering might be necessary in the cross-language and cross-Wiki links, but it's a bit above my capabilities... पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 14:39, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@पाटलिपुत्र: Right. & all the other language articles linking here via Wikidata also appear to be Sarmatian culture. I just stuck to Russian because I can more or less read that. And there is no Wikidata item for Sauromatian culture. So right now we are the odd one out. Clearly there needs to be another item on Wikidata. And, yes, it will involve some somewhat tricky modeling there. - Jmabel | Talk 17:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata now sorted out. - Jmabel | Talk 19:38, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmabel: Thank you! पाटलिपुत्र (Pataliputra) (talk) 20:06, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sharp distinction with Sarmatians

When I checked Olbrycht, which is one of the sources for the fact that WP is treating the Sauromatae and Sarmatians as distinct, I notice that this article explicitly says that most classical authors and most scholars now treat the two terms as interchangeable. If this terminology distinction is no universally accepted we should explain things differently and not take a side? Andrew Lancaster (talk) 07:45, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]