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Requested move 15 February 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus for any move. I don't see any agreement here, and this has been around for ages. If anyone has a better proposal they're welcome to try it. (non-admin closure) — Amakuru (talk) 09:33, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Following a requset by Cuchullain on my talk page,[1] I have looked again, and I agree with Cuchullain that there is actually a broad consensus without much opposition, (other than the blanket "Oppose any moves" from DanTD) that the second move can go ahead. That move really is just to bring the second article in line with WP:USSTATION, so not too controversial. I am therefore amending this close to:

Santa Fe Passenger Depot (Fresno) → Fresno station (Amtrak) - Not moved
Fresno (California High-Speed Rail station) → Fresno station (California High-Speed Rail) - Moved

It looks like Epicgenius already carried out that move on 18 Feburary anyway,[2] so no further action is required. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 13:57, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

– Per WP:USSTATION. NRHP listings probably shouldn't be treated as WP:OFFICIALNAMEs; there's no evidence (that I've seen) they follow any system. No obvious WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Fresno station given the media coverage of the CHSR project. Mackensen (talk) 15:02, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This is a historic station now owned by the City of Fresno with the platforms and tracks still owned by the BNSF Railway. Amtrak only provides ticketing and baggage services at this station so why would you attach their name to the title?
Disambiguation by current service, given the presence of two stations in the city. I'm not attaching the name to the title; that's the point of disambiguation. That's also most natural for the reader. Mackensen (talk) 16:25, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There are a couple choices here. Absent an actual official name (NRHP really shouldn't count), we call it Fresno station. That's ambiguous with a station in the same city, so geographic disambiguation is out. Next up is service, and the natural choices are Amtrak and CHSR, being the service providers (albeit planned in the latter case) for the two stations. Yes, ATSF built the station and a successor to the Santa Fe owns the physical line, but Amtrak runs the actual train which uses the station. Mackensen (talk) 16:35, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That will probably be true, once the other service starts. We've seen this before, where what the locals call the stations might be the most valid. Since we're not likely to get much input from train travellers in Fresno, and there is currently only one station, your choice seems the most likely. Thanks. Secondarywaltz (talk) 16:58, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly polling is focused on more national concerns right now. I suspect most locals call it "the train station", when they call it anything at all :). Mackensen (talk) 17:03, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is one of the problems I've been having with this renaming crusade; No other projects count. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 13:32, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support Fresno station (California High-Speed Rail), but oppose moving Santa Fe Passenger Depot. It does seem to be in common uses, even in sources talking about the "Fresno station":[3][4][5] "Santa Fe Depot" does seem to be somewhat more common, however.[6][7][8][9]

I wouldn't support any move to "Fresno station" if it still requires a parentheses. However, this does look to be the primary topic of the term "Fresno station", given its historic significance.--Cúchullain ^t/c 17:16, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Santa Fe move per Cúchullain. Antony–22 (^talk⁄_contribs) 00:39, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose any moves, especially since the proposed high-speed rail station is supposed to be separate from this one. The primary topic argument that Cúchullain uses is pure crap. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 13:32, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose in current form Living in Fresno for many years and taking the train frequently while there... most of the locals call this "the train station" or "the Amtrak station". That being said, I don't really think it's appropriate to name this page "Fresno station (Amtrak)" since this station is also now served by Greyhound. I think it makes more since to change the name to "Fresno station" as this is the main station in town at the moment. We can add an About hatnote to redirect lost readers to he HSR station page. --RickyCourtney (talk) 20:35, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

RickyCourtney, to clarify, do you object to moving Fresno (California High-Speed Rail station) to Fresno station (California High-Speed Rail)? This is the format of the WP:USSTATION guideline.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:10, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose in current form moving Santa Fe Passenger Depot (Fresno) → Fresno station (Amtrak)

Support moving Fresno (California High-Speed Rail station) → Fresno station (California High-Speed Rail)

Frankly I don't think the HSR move is controversial at all... it's just bringing the station page name into alignment with the guideline... and it probably could have been boldly moved without discussion. --RickyCourtney (talk) 18:45, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now – while moves may be in order here, the first move is the wrong call on this one. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:50, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.