Talk:Sandy Pearlman

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Jewish? Just wondering....SUNY alum —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.170.24.144 (talk) 17:23, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do they teach power of deduction at SUNY?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearlman 100.34.216.138 (talk) 22:12, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Crawdaddy - May 1968

Here is what SP said in the May 1968 issue of Crawdaddy (one of the few I bought back then) about Artificial Energy:

Artificial Energy ends with "I'm coming down off amphetamine/And I'm in jail 'cause I killed a queen," trailed by horns and an electric noise maker to fadeout, at which point in comes Goin' Back,... Artificial Energy was as violent as the Bryds ever got (only a multipart chorale preserved an aura of resolution). All aswirl as it was with brass and counterpatterns, what not,...".

Elsewhere in the article he says their sound is eclectic, and that it is molecular - meaning that it fills in all the gaps - and uses a term "molecular sound organization". About another tune, SP says it is "heavy in the treble". That last usage is the only use of the word "heavy" - and "metal" does not appear at all. Perhaps some other article, or maybe somebody at Crawdaddy(?!?) edited out "heavy metal". The article does clearly highlight what is commonly called a "wall of sound", mentions "silence denial" and Phil Spector. If "heavy metal music" is really "thick, massive sound, characterized by highly amplified distortion, extended guitar solos, emphatic beats, and overall loudness", we do have some remarks about a few of the elements of such, but we do not have the term "heavy metal" in that article. I do, however, remember SP expressing to me an interest in the periodic table before 1967 --JimWae (talk) 09:00, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The album came out in January 1968 - the same month Born to be Wild arrived. I am quite sure even I had used the term "heavy metal music" myself by May. The previous Crawdaddy issue was Mar-Apr 1968, so likely the earliest SP's May article (which does not use the term anyway) would have been completed would be.... --JimWae (talk) 09:20, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can hear Artificial Energy here. If I ever heard it before, I can see why I forgot about it. I can hear a wall of sound - but it is more like bubble-gum teeny-bop music than "heavy metal". I say this even though I like the Byrds.

So, my point as far as the article goes, is that we need to note there is some dispute over who first came up with the term, keep the link to the webpage that mentions some doubt. --JimWae (talk) 09:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Billboard Encyclopedia of Record Producers seems like at least as reputable a source as anything else mentioned here. Objectively speaking, all we have here are people who are expressing skepticism but not based on any demonstrable or verifiable facts. All things being equal, I think that it is reasonable, and meets WPs guidelines, to state this fact with a bona fide source and leave it at that. If we couldn't do that, ANY claim made on ANY web page would be subject to "NPOV' rules as soon as anyone with a grudge or a false memory logs in! RIAA Archivist (talk) 03:55, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have the entire original issue in front of me (it is also available online as a series of JPGs at http://crawdaddy.wolfgangsvault.com/Static.aspx?id=1022#archive) - SP does NOT use the term in that review. There are several other contenders to be the originators. The ByrdWatcher article does not bear a grudge - it is quite generous toward SP. Wikipedia cannot give just one side, based on unsupported claims. The Billboard Encyclopedia of Record Producers article was written by someone with a conflict of interest, and is filled with factual errors

In fact, it was Pearlman who first coined the term "heavy metal" for music in his 1968 review of The Byrd's "Artificial Energy"in Crawdaddy magazine.
- term does not appear in his 1968 article
Steppenwolf picked up the phrase ("heavy metal thunder") in "Born To Be Wild" eight months later.
- album was released Jan 1968 - same month as Byrds
Around the same time, as a student at the State University of New York at Stony Brook, he saw a campus group named The Soft White Underbelly, told them they were great, and named them Blue Öyster Cult, making them the first band to use an umlaut...
- Pearlman was not a student at SUNY after June 1966. He was on campus from time to time
- He named them "Soft White Underbelly" - a name he had already discussed aloud before June 1966
- I don't think he takes credit for the umlaut

Wikipedia is not a fan site, nor a place for hagiography. If we are going to mention his claim re "heavy metal", WP:NPOV requires we mention that the claim is contested

--JimWae (talk) 04:39, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Innocent questions

Ok, I like BOC, which is what brought me to this page. But, I find it odd that "External links" only go to BOC sites, and there is only a "The Clash" box at bottom. I have to believe Sandy Pearlman produced a half dozen groups, since it says so. Does anyone else sense lopsided coverage here? SalineBrain (talk) 21:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Misrepresented sources

I removed a paragraph sourced to the Washington Post.[1] The article in the Post is real,[2] but it never mentioned Pearlman. There were two other sources on the paragraph, but they appeared to be unreliable (one took me to an advertising site). This whole article could probably use a rewrite, because much of it looks to have been written by either the subject, or someone close to him. For example, its tone implied that Pearlman was the sole producer of albums and songs, when in fact he was a co-producer. I have made a few corrections, but more work is probably needed. --El on ka 23:48, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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