Talk:SMK Negeri 10 Bandung

Discussion of recent edits

This topic is meant to discuss recent edits to the article that, while including some good portions, also to include edits contrary to the manual of style and that make unexplained removals of content, maintenance tags, date directives, and sources. I invite all editors interested in this topic to share their views. Thank you. — Archer1234 (talk) 05:14, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Issue #1. Unexplained removal of maintenance tags and date directives

This edit removed elements from the head section of the article without explanation:

{{multiple issues|

{{notability|date=December 2022}}

{{rough translation|Indonesian|listed=yes|date=December 2022}}}}

{{Use dmy dates|date=December 2022}}

The edit was reverted with the explanation Reverted 2 edits by 2001:448A:3021:2390:2880:174D:EDB0:6443 (talk): Removing maintenance templates without a valid reason or without addressing the underlying issues. However, the edit was repeated again here and here, again without explanation.

Maintenance tags like {{notability}} and {{rough translation}} should not be removed without a valid reason or without resolving the underlying issue that prompted their inclusion. No explanation was given in any of the edits that removed these.

In addition, the date directive {{Use dmy dates}} was also removed without explanation. — Archer1234 (talk) 05:38, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Issue #2. Edits contrary to the Manual of Style

• Among other things, this edit links Indonesia. Per MOS:OVERLINK: "The names of subjects with which most readers will be at least somewhat familiar. This generally includes major examples of: countries (e.g., Japan/Japanese, Brazil/Brazilian)". Clearly Indonesia is a major country and so should not be linked here.
• This edit separately links Bandung, West Java, and Indonesia in the infobox. Oddly, the edit moves "Indonesia" from the |country= parameter to the |state= parameter. This might be a language issue by the editor, but |state= in {{Infobox school}} is for a sub-national jurisdiction, not for a nation state. But that point aside, besides MOS:OVERLINK, which advises not to link major countries, MOS:GEOLINK advises:

For geographic places specified with the name of the larger territorial unit following a comma, generally do not link the larger unit. For example, avoid [[Buffalo, New York|Buffalo]], [[New York (state)|New York]], [[United States]] or [[Sydney]], [[New South Wales]], [[Australia]]; instead use [[Buffalo, New York]], United States or [[Sydney]], New South Wales, Australia.

So, it should be [[Bandung]], West Java, Indonesia or [[Bandung, West Java]], Indonesia

• This edit adds "Art and Creative Industries" to the |name= parameter in the infobox. Besides whether those terms are formal parts of the title (this should be stated and reliably sourced in the lead), it incorrectly uses a link break (<br>), which is contrary to the Manual of Style advice in MOS:NOBR and incorrectly uses (<small>...</small>) tags, which is contrary to advice in MOS:SMALL, which directs removal of 'small' tags from infoboxes.

— Archer1234 (talk) 06:46, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Issue #3: Poor grammar

This edit changes an admittedly awkward sentence:

The starting point for the founding of KOKAR ([[Karawitan]] [[Conservatory (school)|Conservatory]]) [[Bandung]], was 1 October 1958, where for the first time the relocation of the [[Sundanese people|Sundanese]] Department from KOKAR ([[Karawitan]] [[Conservatory (school)|Conservatory]]) [[Surakarta]] (now known as '''SMK Negeri 8 [[Surakarta]]''') to [[Bandung]].

and changes it to this, which is not an improvement:

The starting point for the establish of KOKAR ([[Karawitan]] [[Conservatory (school)|Conservatory]]) [[Bandung]], was 1 October 1958, where for the first time the relocation of the [[Sundanese people|Sundanese]] Department from KOKAR ([[Karawitan]] [[Conservatory (school)|Conservatory]]) [[Surakarta]] (now known as '''SMK Negeri 8 [[Surakarta]]''') to [[Bandung]].

The entire History section needs some serious copyediting to fix what appears to be a rough translation from another language, perhaps using a translation tool and subsequently modified by editors not completely fluent in both English and the native language.

— Archer1234 (talk) 06:50, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

please you improve the grammar on wikipedia SMK Negeri 10 Bandung 2001:448A:302D:1E7B:4952:DCB3:CCB5:559B (talk) 08:32, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

I am happy to help as soon as you revert your disruptive edits and commit to working together to improve the article. Thank you. — Archer1234 (talk) 08:36, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Issue #4: Categories

This edit adds an unnecessary DEFAULTSORT (with a sort key that is inconsistent with other similary named articles for Indonesian schools) and puts the article in Category:Schools in Indonesia. However, the article is already in Category:Schools in Bandung, which is part of Category:Schools in West Java, which is part of Category:Schools in Indonesia. So neither of these changes is constructive.

— Archer1234 (talk) 06:52, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

Issue #5: Unexplained content removal.

• This edit removes, without explanation, that the school is a performing arts vocational school from the "type" parameter of the infobox.

— Archer1234 (talk) 06:55, 20 December 2022 (UTC)

help I messed up the move

I wanted to move it back to SMKN 10 Bandung following a move without consensus and I forgot a very important N, so now the talk page and article don't match. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contribs)} 03:36, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Fixed! echidnaLives - talk - edits 03:50, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (I want make a new version of this page) --Ariandi Lie (talk) 03:55, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Deletion Page

i don't want to write a page of smk Negeri 10 Bandung for now Ariandi Lie (talk) 13:01, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

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