Talk:Sâhib Ata

This article is rated Stub-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Biography

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article has been automatically rated by a bot or other tool because one or more other projects use this class. Please ensure the assessment is correct before removing the `\|auto=` parameter.

Iran Low‑importance

	Iran portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Iran, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to articles related to Iran on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please join the project where you can contribute to the discussions and help with our open tasks.IranWikipedia:WikiProject IranTemplate:WikiProject IranIran articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Turkey Low‑importance

	Turkey portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Turkey, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Turkey and related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.TurkeyWikipedia:WikiProject TurkeyTemplate:WikiProject TurkeyTurkey articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Biography not Beylik

Sâhib Ata is not a beylik but a person. Beyliks are the independent principalities founded by Turkmen warlords on Seljuq land following the Mongol invasions of the 13th century. Sâhib Ata was a Persian and very much involved with the Seljuq court and Seljuq-Mongol politics. He and his descendants to the second generation held land in north-western Anatolia as a sort of fief of the Seljuqs, who were in turn vassals of the Mongols.

In short, this article ought to be developed as biography not as beylik. Aramgar 19:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anatolian Seljuk Sultanate vs Sultanate of Rûm

This article contains the phrase “Anatolian Seljuk Sultanate.” I have noticed this and other similar designations that trip over themselves trying to avoid using the word Rûm. The Seljuqs of Konya thought of themselves as “Sultans of Rum.” We ought to use “Sultanate of Rum” or “Seljuk Sultans of Rum” or some such. Aramgar 20:14, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The anonymous editor of Sultanate of Rûm 82.83.153.142 says something similar with respect to what is no doubt the origin of this English language circumlocution, the Turkish phrase Anadolu Selçuklu Devleti: “Turkish expression "Anadolu Selçuklu Devleti" removed, because it is only used in modern Turkish books and has no historical ties to the Seljuqs of Rum.” This editor is correct. Aramgar 20:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]