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rutland is also called rutvegas by all the small town southern vermonters because of its bright lights and big city atmosphere

Rutland is called Rutvegas as a joke. There are limited bright lights and it does not have, by any stretch of the imagination, a "big city atmosphere".

See irony. And please sign your posts using ~~~~. Alcarillo 17:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To change the article name

I propose that this article be renamed to "Rutland (city), Vermont". The name of the city is Rutland, not Rutland City. Every time I run across this article, I have to think for a moment, "Which is it, Rutland or Rutland City?" It's not like Ellicott City, Maryland, or Phenix City, Alabama, or any of several other places with the word "city" actually in their name. The format of "name (city)" is already used for St. Albans and Newport, Vermont, and "name (town)" is very common, especially across upstate New York. I also see that "Rutland (city), Vermont" already exists as a redirect. If no one objects, I'll change it next week. Ken Gallager 19:24, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No problem here. Rutland (city) is almost always referred to simply as "Rutland". Rutland (town), Vermont however, is called "Rutland Town". But that's another issue. Alcarillo 02:15, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've made a formal move request, because it turns out that Rutland (city), Vermont has an edit history. Ken Gallager 16:26, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about the formal guidelines, but isn't the parenthetical usually at the end of the name? That would make Rutland (town), Vermont "Rutland, Vermont (city)". - Wuffyz 03:47, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

No. See for example Newport (city), Vermont. The modifier is after the city name not after the article name. or after the state. Student7 (talk) 12:36, 20 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Notable inhabitants

Can any of this be sourced? Mia Farrow seems unlikely to live in Rutland VT. Meta-Physician 05:40, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fatman lives in Rutland I can source that easy from his youtube page89.101.107.204 (talk) 23:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not the YouTube guy lives here is irrelevant; unless you can prove that he's notable, he doesn't belong here. Nyttend (talk) 02:56, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Geo city

The "geo city" infobox seems to be causing display problems. Tried to use something else but messed up box so left it the way it was.Student7 (talk) 01:24, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Simple solution: delete the coords in the box. The normal {{Infobox Settlement}} doesn't conflict with coords in the text, but this type of infobox is weird and I don't understand it well. Perhaps it can be made to work properly with coords in the text, but if so I don't know how to fix it. Nyttend (talk) 23:35, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Student7 (talk) 01:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

How do we shrink the size of the picture? Suddenly, it's displaying at entire screenwidth size, despite all I can do. Nyttend (talk) 12:08, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Elevation

The source cited (U.S. Census Bureau) does not provide the elevation. --Jc3s5h (talk) 17:13, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's a very good reason for that: it was added after the reference was, and (unlike with the area or the coordinates) that source has never provided elevation data. Nyttend (talk) 23:20, 20 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the better source. Too bad we couldn't have a better citation template for it, since the GR series of templates think they know what date format everybody in the English-speaking world ought to use. --Jc3s5h (talk) 00:41, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On a related note in the census, the percentages for the racial makeup don't add up correctly. Even if those who were descendants of two or races were counted twice we're still looking at 101% total. Was that a mistake made transferring the information over from the census, or was that error already there? (I didn't see which other category this would fit in or how to add a new one).--Ken Sawyer 05:21, 15 October 20012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.8.204.187 (talk)

Rutland Halloween Parade

Hi to Rutland. For the german Wikipedia I´m writing on an articel about the Halloween Parade. Unfortunatelly there is no Photo availabel. Is there a possibility to get a Photo to Commons? Regards from Germany --Itti (talk) 13:26, 23 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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On accepting refugees

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/vermont-refugees-burlington-214464

czar 17:19, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New mayor David Allaire

The town of Rutland had elected a new mayor, David Allaire from what I read on these following articles.

--Sd-100 (talk) 21:55, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Efforts blocking Albany city link

An editor with a redlinked home page reverted a link to Albany, New York. He claimed that this edit violated the template. I have never heard of such a thing. There are many localities named "Albany," and there should be distinctions to which Albany links refer to, as I did linking to Albany, NY.Dogru144 (talk) 00:23, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 March 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not Moved—No Consensus User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 23:49, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

– Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC; see https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Watertown_(city),_New_York#Requested_move_8_February_2022 Mvcg66b3r (talk) 03:12, 25 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 07:19, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support. See page views. Celia Homeford (talk) 11:37, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The current title alerts readers that there are several relevant meanings for "Rutland" in the context of Vermont. I'm a local. Locals are always careful to state Rutland City, Rutland Town, or Rutland County whenever the context is unclear. Although Rutland City has a larger population than Rutland Town, the town has several popular businesses which people think, talk, and write about. Jc3s5h (talk) 15:15, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hatnotes would be sufficient to let readers know there's another community with the same name. (And I see the articles already have them.) ╠╣uw [talk] 20:46, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hatnotes are much worse than precise titles. A hatnote requires the page to be loaded, and then occupies valuable real estate at the top of the page. A precise title, like the current, allows the reader to know exactly what they’ll get before loading, and relieves the need for hatnotes. SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:29, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support, in line with the similar Watertown, New York request last month, and per the evidence of primacy. For consistency, I also strongly suggest moving Rutland (town), Vermont to Rutland, Vermont (town), since having the parenthetical clarifiers of (town) and (city) wedged into the middle of the title instead of at the end is very odd/non-standard and should be corrected. ╠╣uw [talk] 20:28, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject United States has been notified of this discussion. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 07:21, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Cities has been notified of this discussion. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 07:21, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above. Rreagan007 (talk) 16:23, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is generally what people mean when they refer to "Rutland" without qualification. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:43, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously not, given that without qualification it goes to England. SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:30, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Why not move to City of Rutland or Rutland City per WP:NATURAL? And move the town similarly? It's what's used on the city website here.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support The arguments in favor seem to make sense. I support this. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 19:00, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as proposed.

Support instead, City of Rutland, Vermont per WP:NATURAL, per local’s comment from User:Jc3s5h, and per https://www.rutlandcity.org/. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:34, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.