Talk:Russell Wilson/Archives/2018/November

Updated Weight for 2013

Please change Weight: 206 lb (93 kg) to Weight: 214 (97 kg)

He's listed at 206 on the current page, he claims to be 214, 215 in this interview (http://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/videos/Russell-Wilson-OTA-Press-Conference/ce78df98-28b6-4a0b-bcd3-ddd520a9dce5).

I noticed that as well, but I'm not 100% sure on the guidelines for whether Wikipedia only uses official NFL sources for that info or not. His Seahawks.com and NFL.com profiles still list 206. I'll check the NFL WikiProject page and find out. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 12:48, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Wilson's master's degree

The only reliable source I've found that Wilson graduated from his master's program is the May 2012 commencement program on the University of Wisconsin website. I'd like to be able to add another source though if anyone can find one. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 13:17, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Well the announcers just said during the game today that Wilson is a 50 page paper short of his Masters degree so I'm going to remove this sentence from the article. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 22:48, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Inclusion of NC State in Infobox

There have been a couple edits recently adding and removing NC State from the infobox. Is there any consensus on this? The Troy Aikman infobox lists both colleges that he attended, while Cam Newton only lists Auburn even though he attended three schools. Wilson however graduated from both NC State and Wisconsin so his situation is a bit different. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 22:30, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

No, the situation is not different. We list the schools that NFL.com list, not the schools that you think should be listed. Thanks for acknowledging that. --bender235 (talk) 08:53, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I added NC State yesterday. I just read this thread so apologize about by mistake. Thank you catching me on that. qolivieri 18:55, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Wilson attened both schools and played football at both therefore both schools should be listed in his infobox. Wikipedia is not NFL.com so that is not they say all end all. If a player went to a college but never played football there then I understand why there is no need to metion it in the infobox. In Wilson's case, he spent three years there (playing in all three) and even graduated from NC State. The majority of his career was played there so that is information that should be highlighted on his page. Redmen44 (talk) 06:12, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

The NC State info IS highlighted on his page - just not in the infobox. It is not intended as a comprehensive biographical infobox; it is an NFL infobox. It lists what NFL.com lists - the school a player was drafted from. This is NFL WikiProject consensus if you want to discuss it further there. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 10:58, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

If it's consensus, then why is Troy Aikman's infobox listing two colleges? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.15.231.195 (talk) 22:26, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

No comment on consensus, but tother stuff existing is not always a strong argument, as they might need to be changed also,—Bagumba (talk) 00:16, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Russell Wilson played at NC State for 3x the amount of time he played at Wisconsin, he was recruited by NC State, and without them, may not have ever achieved what he has to this day. NC State gave him his big shot, and whether or not ESPN lists it, it should be up on this as this is not ESPN. It should especially be up considering there are many others who have multiple schools up. I constantly have people tell me that NC State can't claim Russell because Wikipedia doesn't list him. 3/4+ of his college career was at NC State. The least that can be done is to add the name to the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.191.134.24 (talk) 22:19, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

As the template is arranged now, only the most recent college is included. There is currently a discussion to include others, but as of now, no consensus has been reached. Chambr (talk) 23:20, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

College baseball career section

Found a few sources that would be useful for expanding this section if anyone wants to work on it (1, 2). The Gaston Gazette has a few good articles in their archives about his college baseball stuff. Turns out Wilson was drafted twice - once by the Baltimore Orioles right out of high school. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 17:08, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Fine

All right, I removed the part about his favorite TV show only to have it reverted and told to discuss it here. The fact that we'd even consider such unencyclopedic material is absolutely ludicrous to me. Who disagrees? Go Phightins! (talk) 18:56, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Wilson has said that his favorite TV show is Entourage. I understand that it may seem like "unnecessary" info but it is cited material and there are no WP:BLP issues with it. As an example of something similar, the first line under the Personal Life heading in Mark Sanchez (which currently has Good Article status) says "Sanchez is an avid fan of musical theatre" so this type of material isn't without precedent. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 18:57, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

See WP:OTHERSTUFF. Go Phightins! (talk) 19:00, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Fair point, but I didn't compare the inclusion of this piece of information to just any other article. I will reiterate that Mark Sanchez has Good Article status, which means it went through a comprehensive review process. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 19:05, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

All right, that's true, but I don't think this is necessary for comprehensive coverage on Wilson. A question I like to ask is, "In x (for the sake of argument here let's say 5) years is anyone going to want to know x (in this case what his favorite tv show five years ago is)" By that time, I'd guess it'd be something else. Also, there is no way to verify in 2 months what his favorite TV show is. Even in Sanchez's case, the statement is that he's a fan of theatre, not a specific show, but theatre in general. Go Phightins! (talk) 19:09, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

I think this is a question of prose. You're right that in five years this info will be outdated and probably no longer accurate. Maybe it should be changed to "In 2012, Wilson said" or something along those lines. But this is a living document so it's impossible to write this article in the context of what will make sense five years from now. Five years ago, the first line of this article would've said "Russell Wilson is a quarterback at NC State." aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 19:16, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but that had to do with something garnering continuing coverage...I doubt it receives major press if and when he changes his favorite TV show. I guess I would be OK with it being changed to "In 2012", but I still think that this is not encyclopedic information, but I'll stipulate to consensus. Let's wait a day or two and see if anyone else comments. Go Phightins! (talk) 19:19, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good. Another option I'll throw out there is that since he said it in the context of being named the starter (he was asked by a reporter how he celebrated being named the starter and responded that he watched a few episodes of his favorite show, Entourage), perhaps the sentence could be changed to reflect that? It would solve the problem of becoming outdated and would provide more context too. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 19:24, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

That's acceptable I suppose, but let's wait. Go Phightins! (talk) 19:26, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Russell Wilson's birthplace

Russell was born in Cincinnati, OH. 69.119.94.236 (talk) 04:53, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Done. I remember him saying this in a press conference, I'll add that reference shortly. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 08:27, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Add to awards

VIZIO Top Value Performer (2012) http://blog.vizio.com/post/41356165101/russell-wilson-wins-vizio-top-value-performer-fans

Done. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 08:27, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2013

Please change:

| statvalue5 = 9997

to

| statvalue5 = 997

in the "infobox NFL player" section. This is a small mistake.

Source: NFL.com

76.121.89.209 (talk) 04:37, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Oops, my mistake. Thanks for the heads up! aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 04:49, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Measurements

Russell Wilson is 5'10 5/8. I don't know if you want to go that deep into it, but I just should let you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sazoun (talk • contribs) 04:37, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Wilson is listed a 5'11" on every site so that works just fine. Redmen44 (talk) 06:44, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2014

Remove "State" from the caption under the second photo of Russell Wilson. The Rose Bowl game was with the Oregon Ducks, as is stated elsewhere, not with the Oregon State Beavers. Jrsradoc (talk) 04:53, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

That picture is from the Oregon State game on September 10, 2011, not the Rose Bowl. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 05:01, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Not done: per aqwfyj. LittleMountain5 05:58, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2014

| college = NC State

Jonsmetana (talk) 21:29, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Not done:He was drafted from Wisconsin. For instance, Cam Newton's article says his college was Auburn. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 21:35, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2014

Here's the chart with the problem:

Season Team Games Passing Rushing Fumbles GP GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost 2012 Seattle Seahawks 2 2 39 62 62.9 572 9.23 3 1 7 48 102.4 15 127 8.5 1 1 1 2013 Seattle Seahawks 3 3 43 68 63.2 524 7.71 3 0 7 22 101.6 11 42 3.8 0 2 1 Total 5 5 82 130 63.8 1096 8.43 6 1 14 70 102.0 26 169 6.5 1 3 2

Somehow, someone figured in the average column that that a 62.39 plus 63.2 averages to 63.8 Actually isn't 63.07, (likely displayed 63.1)

Hope this helps 192.111.80.145 (talk) 20:59, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(t • e • c)} 21:28, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

43-8 defeat over the Denver Broncos

Shouldnt that read 43-8 VICTORY over the Denver Broncos? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.61.224.172 (talk) 20:06, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Infobox Picture.

A while back, when a more recent football related picture was made available of Russell, it was added to the infobox, but someone reverted this yesterday, so I changed the picture in the infobox back to the more recent, football related picture, which is more appropriate than him at some random golf event which isn't even football related. Chambr (talk) 23:18, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

This pic is already in the article (here). The other one isn't. Coltsfan (talk) 23:33, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Then let's remove it from the main body of the article, as it better fits the infobox than the other? Chambr (talk) 00:12, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Don't know about that. The one you like fits better in the context of that section. Makes more sense the way it is, in my opinion. Coltsfan (talk) 00:20, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

I just think that a football related, not to mention more recent picture is best for the main picture of the article, but I won't keep trying to change it based solely on my opinion. Chambr (talk) 00:29, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

I just read over that area, you specified, Coltsfan, and you are right, I think the article should stay how it is. Chambr (talk) 00:46, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 7 September 2014

Russell Wilson is African American, and once referred to his fellow African American teammates as the "Jackson 5"[1]. Lorrainx (talk) 22:34, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

 Not done - There are a couple problems here. First, edit requests should contain specific text of the change that is required. However, in this case, given the recent edit warring, it's clear what material you are requesting. That brings us to the second problem; as stated in the {{edit template-protected}}, edit requests "should only be used for edits that are either uncontroversial or supported by consensus." Given the edit war, it is clear that consensus does not yet exist. Please discuss on this talk page, and see WP:Dispute resolution for guidance on options for developing a consensus. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:45, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 7 September 2014

Barek, It is obvious that you are abusing your power as an administrator. Under Wikipedia content dispute it states: "Administrators should not protect or unprotect a page to further their own positions in content disputes." This is obvious because Wikipedia's policy is the let stand the most recent edit. That was my edit of yesterday. Instead you simply sided with the other editor by using his or her edit. The whole idea that you wont allow it be stated at Wikipedia that Russell Wilson is "African American is racist." He's never referred to himself as "multiracial" or "mostly African American." My reference to Russell Wilson as African American is referenced by the Seattle newspapers. And the fact that he is. Lorrainx (talk) 00:06, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Do not continue to mis-use the {{edit template-protected}} template. The problems with your request were mentioned above, and that remains unchanged. Continued mis-use of site templates to disrupt Wikipedia can potentially result in temporary revoking of editing privileges.

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Meanwhile, if you wish to resolve the content dispute, as I stated before, the appropriate action would be to use this talk page to establish consensus, and the guidance at WP:Dispute resolution can help you with that process. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 02:07, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

IMG

IMG seems to be using this page to market themselves. Is that appropriate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whubbard (talk • contribs) 19:58, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2015

In the Career Statistics info box, the attempts, "Att", column for the 2014 year is incorrect. It should be listed as 452 and not 393 according to espn. It seems like someone just copied the code from the 2012 year and forgot to change that value. The rest of the values for that year are correct. Rigden tenzin (talk) 05:11, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Done  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  06:10, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2015

Please Change "Most regular season wins by a quarterback in his first three seasons (35)" to "Most regular season wins by a quarterback in his first three seasons (36)" Renn00 (talk) 12:42, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Done aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 12:51, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2015

Change post season passer rating record source.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14881/seasontype/3/russell-wilson

The current source says nothing about Russell Wilson as he does not have 1500 passing attempts. 76.208.68.77 (talk) 19:28, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  17:20, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2015

3X NFC Champion (2015) FiLiFLiP (talk) 07:20, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 11:18, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2015

Wilson completed a 15 yard 2 point conversion pass to Luke Willson (not WiLson) to make it 22-19 Seahawks. Merson (talk) 13:47, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Done  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  17:22, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Abstinence

I'm a bit confused as to why my edits regarding Wilson's sexual abstinence are being removed. Is the implication that this information is somehow not notable? I'd love to see someone attempt to make an argument to that effect. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 13:06, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

I removed it because it seems like a pretty clear WP:NOTNP issue. Wilson's sexual proclivities with a girlfriend is gossip, not really encyclopedic. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 19:09, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't think it's "gossip" if it's something he openly and proudly practices and encourages other Christians to practice. Why not go to Tim Tebow's page or Lolo Jones' page and remove the information about their being abstinent? It is a very significant lifestyle choice and probably more encyclopedic than most other information that's included under a given person's "personal life" header. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 19:57, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

See WP:OTHERSTUFF. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 01:39, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

This is not encyclopedic, that information is inferred with Wilson being referred to as a devout christian and is unnecessary to point out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willmiller10 (talk • contribs) 03:43, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

"Inferred?" Are you kidding? He has explicitly said so on multiple occasions. I cited to two different sources. I can't believe the amount of resistance with which I'm being met here. I feel like this is some kind of joke. I can't imagine an article having too much valid, noteworthy information. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 17:50, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

yes, inferred. Wilson is referred to as a 'Devout' Christian which means to have an earnest and sincere devotion to his religion which is Christianity. One of the common practices of devout christians is practicing abstinence, so therefore, yes, it is inferred and highlighting that information is unnecessary. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/devout — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:EDE7:8700:D2D:8642:843C:9183 (talk) 20:11, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2015

I'm not sure how exactly I am supposed to go about the formal way to submit a request, I am just a die hard Russell Wilson fan and I am upset by this page. I just wanted to suggest an edit to the general information box on the right hand side of the page under the Career information tab, Stating that Russell Wilson's attended North Carolina State as his "College" as well as Wisconsin since he did play football and baseball at NC State for 3 years.

Perhaps it could read as follows, College: North Carolina State (2007-2010), Wisconsin (2011)

Also I am requesting an education tab in that general information box (since the tab states that his "College" was Wisconsin, when he only transferred there as a graduate transfer and played football there for one football season where he did earn a master’s degree in Educational Leadership and Policy Analysis in that one year, but obtained his bachelor’s degree in Broadcast/Communications in three years at North Carolina State where he also earned half of the credits that went towards his Master's degree before obtaining it from Wisconsin) Willmiller10 (talk) 03:22, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 13:01, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Removal of VIZIO award

I was Bold and removed the VIZIO awards as they are NOT sanctioned by the NFL to my knowledge. If you disagree, feel free to bring it up here. Chambr (talk) 23:22, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

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Page protected for 3 days

Two editors way past 3RR - both could have been blocked. Sort it out here. Further editwarring after protection lapses is likely to result in blocking. Doug Weller talk 17:21, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

This is about the issue of highlighting the fact that is Russel Wilson multiracial. I tought it failry straight forward since his(Wilson's) literal quote on the subject is I'm mixed man! I've got a little bit of everything. Here's the interview of the video where he states it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKlLSuKxhZ4&t=2m48s

BUT the man's literal quote isn't enough for aqwfyj, who keeps insisting Wilson doesn't identify as multiracial and reverts every edit no matter how well sourced. even threatened me with block. Nezi1111 (talk) 17:28, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

In a more recent source, written by Wilson, which I have cited, he identifies as African American. His Native American ancestry is also acknowledged. He does not identify as multiracial. Request comment from other editors as is customary if you think your version should take precedence. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 17:32, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

you do know there is a slight distinction between race and culture, right? You can choose your culture but you can't choose your race/ethnicity. An individual can be mixed ethnically, but african american culturally. Like Halle Berry, who's black and white ethnically, but identifies with african american culture. The fact that he's african american wan't removed. but you seem hell bent on removing the fact that he's mixed. Nezi1111 (talk) 17:39, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Where have you vanished? Is this your version of consensus? Silence and delay while the page reflects your edits/views/agenda, but act as if you're unavailable when you're edits are challenged on the talk page? Nezi1111 (talk) 17:52, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Should the language addressing Wilson's ethnicity be changed?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Current language: "Wilson's ethnicity is mostly African American, with Native American ancestry." aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 01:29, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

• Comment Obviously the man's multiracial background should be highlighted. especially since he said so himself. I'm mixed man! I've got a little bit of everything here's the link to interview quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKlLSuKxhZ4&t=2m48s

Nezi1111 (talk) 01:31, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

• Comment Stating that he has African American and Native American ancestry would make stating that he is multiracial redundant. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 01:35, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Stating Wilson is multiracial, his background is AA and NA is not. you're a racist, you want to censor his multi-ethnic heritage. Nezi1111 (talk) 01:44, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on content, not contributors. FWIW, it is redundant. If he has AA and NA ancestry, it's implied he's multiracial. clpo13_(talk) 10:39, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

• Comment on the statement "Wilson's ethnicity is mostly African American, with Native American ancestry." What is mostly? This statement unscientific and therefore un encyclopedic. The statement should be, Wilson is off african american and nativam american ancestry. or if you want to be really specific He's mixed with afrian american and native american. These are scientific terms. WillsonSS3 (talk) 15:39, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

"Mostly" by definition is more than 50%. Wilson indicates in one of the sources that he is mostly African American, and that is corroborated from other sources in the section. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 16:09, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

too vague. WillsonSS3 (talk) 16:28, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

...but your proposed sentence is even more vague. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 16:33, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

• Support - Wilson is of African American and Native American ancestry. Noting that he is also "mixed" would be redundant. Meatsgains (talk) 18:28, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
• Comment - I agree in that the wording should say "Wilson is of African American and Native American descent and/or ancestry." We don't need any redundancy in the article, and the mixed ethnic background is implied in the above sentence. Cheers, Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 19:07, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
• Comment. This seems to be a moot point. His ancestry was updated using a source published since this discussion began. Fences&Windows 21:51, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Indroction/summary detail

There are some details popped in there that are a bit contrived, namely the mention of having the second 'all-time' career passer rating. He has only played four seasons. That stat will inevitably decline as he progresses through his career. I would get it as a selling point he was a ten (plus) year veteran and the stat was still floating above 100. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Somberlain1 (talk • contribs) 11:13, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Players need 1500 pass attempts to qualify for official NFL career stat rankings. Wilson meets that requirement so the stat is valid. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 19:37, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Twitter as references

@Aqwfyj: WP:TWITTER specifically states: Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves (not my emphasis). Which means the subject of the article must be the one who published the tweet. Only one of those tweets were by Wilson, but I removed that one too anyway since that info was already cited with a better source. This is a highly viewed article, so let's try to set a high standard for it when it comes to sourcing. Lizard (talk) 05:38, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

You're right, my mistake. If you can find any replacement sources that'd be ideal aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 13:06, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Early years and background changes; Native American ancestry (category) removed

As of April 18, 2016, the publishing date of the video of his ancestry, "Book of Life' quest with Henry Louis Gates at the RichmondForum, it was revealed that Russell Wilson has in fact has 0% Native American ancestry. According to this video segment Wilson said, "Honestly I don't know past my grandparents...I would love to find out where everyone came from," and apparently paid Gates for his services, to know exactly. He had no objections to Gates about this when revealed and it is highly doubtful he is still claiming this in 2016. If so, we need a recent source (post-Gates) for that claim. This information of course comes after his informal locker-room talk about his "mixture of everything" back in 2013, where "he didn't know past his grandparents." Savvyjack23 (talk) 07:50, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

I've got no horse in this race either way, but it'd be nice to put this squabbling to rest once and for all. Lizard (talk) 14:48, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

I've never actually contributed to this squabble prior, but this should finally end it once and for all. I may have spoken too soon however, apparently my last edits were reversed; for being a "unencyclopedic edit?" Even though I had used the exact same source in the article and actually watched the hour+ long video. Savvyjack23 (talk) 22:03, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Aqwfyj, please discuss your opposition to these sourced changes here and not on my personal talk page even though I appreciate your response. You have a point where you said "Describing who kings were or who they were related to is information that is readily available in the articles for those specific people." (located here). In turn, I have removed as much of what could be considered excess.

Early years and background:
Where we can agree:
Paragraph 3: Born into slavery, they managed to escape punishment and once emancipated, registered to vote in Southampton, Virginia and where among the first African Americans to do so. Paragraph 4: (27% of which is from Cameroon/Congo, 10% Ivory Coast/Ghana, 9% Nigeria, 6% Mali, 5% Benin/Togo, 2% North Africa, 2% Senegal, <1% Africa South-Central Hunter Gatherers)
--My problem with this was that, whoever wrote in this portion only "chose" to include Cameroonian/Congolese, when the same source goes on to name several countries and areas of Africa. Furthermore, the "Congolese" category inserted into the article was only specific to the descent of the "Democratic Republic of the Congo," when that could in fact also be discussing the "Republic of the Congo as well; two different countries that have been split up during the course of history. "Congolese" is too ambiguous to come to a determination that it was discussing only one of these countries, while the source in which it came from, highlighted both areas. So instead of listing each one, simply, African 62% seems suffice, given that the nature of these DNA tests aren't always full-proof to begin with (my personal opinion, maybe fact). a Frankish bishop --reinstated your change, I think you are correct on this approach; could be readily found in article itself. His family lineage has been traced back to an unrevealed English king. --Toss up. Not particularly thrilled, that we don't actually know who it is. But statement is notable pertaining to his lineage.

Where we seem to disagree is:
Paragraph 2: "Wilson's maternal grandfather was noted painter A. B. Jackson, born to a black father and a mother from Manchester, England." --This is relevant to Wilson's ethnicity of not only his mother but his maternal grandfather, that directly pertains to him making your reverts not consistent with WP:IRRELEVANT.

Paragraph 2: "His maternal great-great-great-great-grandparents, his Turner ancestors, witnessed the Nat Turner's Rebellion, which was the largest slave revolt in U.S. history. Though they had the same surname, they were unrelated to Nat Turner." --Again, his family extended 200 years ago, lived in the same town as Nat Turner, who was the leader of the largest slave rebellion in the country. It is also important to note however, that the two Turner families are unrelated. We already mentioned that Wilson's great-great-grandfather was a slave to a Confederate colonel, this portion is merely an extension.

Paragraph 4: "Saint Arnulf of Metz who was the third great-great-grandfather of Charlemagne, leader of the Holy Roman Empire." --If we are going to mention (or pick and choose) Metz, why not mention Charlemagne? It seems again, systematically selective.

Paragraph structure. Restructured to list all information pertaining to his immediate family, first and deeper down his ancestry line, last. Will go as far to say that these could be totally different sections. His early years about "him" appear weak.

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Personal life:
Removal of his outspokenness of his religious views and experiences "Wilson is a devout Christian, often referencing his faith in press conferences, interviews and on his Twitter feed." --He also mentions in sources that he used to be a bully in his childhood years before he "encountered" God, that apparently changed his life. --So, why the constant removal? These are his views, not ours. Aaron Rodgers also speaks of Wilson's outspokenness of those religious views here: TheBlaze: Aaron Rodgers Takes a Subtle Jab at Fellow Christian QB Russell Wilson With God Comment at Press Conference Savvyjack23 (talk) 05:57, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Once again I removed your edits because they're irrelevant and extraneous. You wrote entire paragraphs about Frankish kings and Wilson's great-great-great-great-grandparents. All these things you're adding belong in other articles. If people want to know about A.B. Jackson's parents' ethnicities, they can click on his name and go to that article. This article isn't a summary of that Richmond Forum event. As for the removal of the "twitter feed" line, seeing as how I wrote that sentence in the first place, I felt it was redundant and that "devout" says the same thing. Furthermore I'd remind you of WP:BRD. aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 11:46, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Back. Please agree to change/add the following categories: "Cameroon, DR Congo" descent to simply "African decent;" (if not, you must include all those countries from that "forum") as other countries where mentioned in that as well and the source just stated "Congo", (both DR and Rep Congo regions as Kongo was much larger historically) to exclude is WP:POV @Aqwfyj. Second, to include the category of English descent as his grandfather (close relative) was half English (12.5% of that 36% European ancestry). Third, Facebook isn't the best source and is hardly one quick frankly (author's credibility? Not first person like Twitter at least, etc.), please use my Washington Post and other credible sources etc. If we cannot have a legit discussion and/or quite resolution to these issues, I'll invite some more editors. (I mean you didn't revert when I removed the Native American category, which means we agreed on something). That is all. Thank you kindly. Savvyjack23 (talk) 23:40, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2017

Please change "devout Christian" to "professed Christian" because a "devout Christian" is one who has personally received Jesus Christ as Savior, who trusts in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ alone for forgiveness of sins, who has the Holy Spirit residing within, and whose life evidences change consistent with faith in Jesus (Ephesians 2:8-10; Romans 10:9-10; 2 Corinthians 5:17; James 2:18) (see https://www.gotquestions.org/true-Christian.html). Russell Wilson has made no such claim. Yes, he quotes Bible verses on twitter and thanks God for wins in football, but that does not make him a Christian anymore than a person with a John 3:16 key chain. Interestingly, one article says he is a "devout Cathoic" (http://www.divorcedebbie.com/russell-wilson-divorce-ashton-meem/), which even Wikipedia makes a distinction.

Finally, even Jesus, the founder of the Christian faith, says that many people CLAIM to be devout Christians, but are not (Matthew 7:21-27; cf. 1 John 2:19). Therefore, "professed Christian" is the best term to use, unless an article/source comes out explaining more of his professed faith. Goodrighttrue (talk) 03:24, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done, but only because the cited source doesn't use the word "devout." Lizard (talk) 03:49, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

The Best?

Is Russell Wilson the greatest QB of all time? He has won 8 Super Bowls and thrown for 34,982,613 yards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.247.246.94 (talk) 18:08, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Playoff Wins, Not the Highest

The win gave Wilson his eighth playoff victory, the most for a NFL quarterback in his first five seasons.[113]

The reference does not state this, but says he tied Eli Manning (8-3) for most wins in first five seasons. Just off the top of my head I know Tom Brady had more wins, having gone at 9-0 in his first five seasons (2000- n/a., 2001 - W(Oak), W(@Pit), W(STL SB36), 2002- n/a, 2003 W(Ten), W(Ind), W(@Car SB38), 2004- W(Ind), W(Pit), W(Phi SB39) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:CB00:25D:4D08:B035:A21A:2414 (talk) 03:46, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2018

Change 'Most regular season wins by a quarterback in his first six seasons: 64' to 65. Source: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny.fcgi?id=HLam0 MrTriaa (talk) 20:07, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Done! aqwfyj ^Talk/_Contribs 20:13, 22 January 2018 (UTC)