Talk:Royce White

Royce White was one of the Sports and recreation good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
December 26, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed
July 17, 2022	Good article reassessment	Delisted

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on December 13, 2011.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that during Royce White's two-and-a-half-year hiatus from competitive basketball, he spent time on his music career and learned how to play the piano?

Current status: Delisted good article

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GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Royce White/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: JDOG555 (talk · contribs) 21:06, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will be starting the review shorty JDOG555 (talk) 21:06, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quick Comments

Just some quick comments, the repitive use of "he" is annoying Done. I noticed some of your sentences are a couple words long and start with "he". The personal life section needs to be expanded. I'll give a full list of comments later JDOG555 (talk) 21:31, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have replaced a bunch of the "he"s.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:14, 25 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Review

Okay here is my review, if I am off-base on any of these please tell me.

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Lead

Disregard

~~The lead for this article is good only 2 things I would consider changing or removing~~ Lead seems pretty good, can't seem anything wrong with it

Disregard

"He has endured disciplinary issues that have necessitated transfers in both high school and college."
Is this neccessary? Sounds kinda uneeded to me.

Unless you think it is misleading or POV it should remain, IMO. So much of the text describes the issues at Minnesota, that I can't see how you could summarize the article and not include at least that.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:22, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me JDOG555 (talk) 01:42, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Disregard

"His success at the college and professional level is highly anticipated."
I would suggest removing this statement, too bias.

This is also a summary of points in the text: 1.) expected NBA first rounder 2.) Big 12 Preseason Newcomeer of the Year. Considering the specific prose it is summarizing, is it still biased?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:25, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me JDOG555 (talk) 01:42, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

If no records remove it. Done
- done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:26, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - If he set any state records, I have no sources for them.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:29, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - Works for me JDOG555 (talk) 04:22, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Add any Career Highlights?
- Aside from his honors and championships, I don't know of any relevant highlights. He may have lead the Minneapolis City leagues in scoring or something, but I have no sources for that.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:29, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Works for me JDOG555 (talk) 02:12, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

High school

First line "Born in Minneapolis," expand to something like "Born in Minneapolis, White went to DeLaSalle High School for his freshman to junior years. For his senior year, White went to Hopkins High School. Done
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:34, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
He had dozens of collegiate scholarship → He had dozens of collegiate scholarship offers. Done
- O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:39, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"During that season White beefed up his weight from approximately 210 pounds (95.3 kg) to about 225 pounds (102.1 kg)."

Is this really needed, I would get remove of it

If I were sure that the weights were precise, I would keep them.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:40, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just can't see how it is really relevant, if you decide to keep it I would suggest changing the wording for "beefed up" JDOG555 (talk) 02:12, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:20, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me JDOG555 (talk) 04:22, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

College

"White was initially a suspect in a November incident"

What was the incident?

Fixed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:50, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me JDOG555 (talk) 04:22, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Disregard

"During his time away from basketball, he learned to play the piano."
Is this relevant or needed?

Most sports bios are considered devoid of non-sports content. This helps us round out his personality for the reader.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:50, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me JDOG555 (talk) 02:10, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Change Because Whtie → Because White Done
- Done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:51, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Rewrite "He transferred to Iowa State prior to using any of his athletic eligibility at Minnesota and applied to the NCAA for a waiver to be eligible to play during the 2010–11 NCAA Division I men's basketball season. The NCAA denied his waiver." to something like "He transferred to Iowa State prior to using any of his athletic eligibility at Minnesota and applied to the NCAA for a waiver to be eligible to play during the 2010–11 NCAA Division I men's basketball season, but his waiver was denied."
- I rewrote to eliminate the short 2nd sentence, but I retained active voice.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:56, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Works for me JDOG555 (talk) 04:22, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Disregard

~~Move the reference for "Iowa State appealed the decision" at the end of the sentence~~
- It belongs where it is. Refs preferably follow punctuation marks, not necessarily at the end of sentences. This is a ref for the first half of the sentence.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:53, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Works for me JDOG555 (talk) 02:10, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Personal

Consider expanding a bit more if possible.
- I got nothing unless you want the piano/music career stuff here.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:57, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Well it said "While suspended from the team, he spent some of his extracurricular time on his music career." Add some details about his musical career maybe JDOG555 (talk) 02:14, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - I have expanded that section as much as is reasonable given the currently available sources.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:37, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - Works for me JDOG555 (talk) 04:22, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"His grandfather, who won a national intramural basketball championship, attended University of Minnesota with Winfield."

Who is his grandfather?

I added the name Frank. It seems like he may have been his legal guardian, but I have no sources.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:00, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Works for me JDOG555 (talk) 04:22, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

Disregard

~~Alot of your references are after a comma, try moving some of them to the end of a sentence.~~
- I believe they are prefered following the most immediate punctuation mark.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:04, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Works for me JDOG555 (talk) 02:35, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed alot of your references are from the statribune by the same author can you find references from other websites?
- I actually added a few from the USA Today while you were reviewing the article. There is not much more written about him yet though.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:04, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Works for me JDOG555 (talk) 04:22, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Images

Consider adding a picture of him Done
- I am requesting a license change for the following:

--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:16, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA PASS

Congratulations all of my issues have been addressed, your article is now a Good Article! JDOG555 (talk) 04:22, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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chronology

Does chronology place undue weight on his anxiety situation?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:00, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More or better pictures of White

I went through the set vs. Iowa some time ago.

If anyone is looking for more or better pictures of White from college, feel free to thumb through the following:

I believe those were all home games. There are other sets against non-power conferences. Maybe some of those guys will be pro players in the future.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:26, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Would anyone like to offer feedback on the following prospective images:

Driving on Quincy Acy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/goiowastate/6957967159/in/photostream

Attacking Perry Jones III: http://www.flickr.com/photos/goiowastate/6957970729/in/set-72157629523255749

Defending Perry Jones III: http://www.flickr.com/photos/goiowastate/6957966459/in/set-72157629523255749

Short hair iso: http://www.flickr.com/photos/goiowastate/6811854984/in/set-72157629523255749

Short hair 2: http://www.flickr.com/photos/goiowastate/6957955473/in/set-72157629523255749

Page as a whole

This article seems to have way too many details about his career in comparison to players with similar careers (decent college players, insignificant NBA career)...the daily updates/articles about his NBA status, extremely high number of pictures of his 1 season in college...

Seems like this page needs to be edited to a much, much more concise version where you don't have to read about every college game and every article written about his NBA career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TallKidIsTall (talk • contribs) 03:26, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I just did a major overhaul to make it more concise and readable. I have no idea how this was ever listed as a good article. It's not even a good article now with all the changes I made; it was nowhere close to being a good article before. MonMothma (talk) 21:26, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Royce White NBL Canada MVP detail

Can anyone help me find the announcement that Royce White was named NBL Canada MVP. I want to see the vote and who the other contenders were.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:43, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

TonyTheTiger I can't find information on who the other contenders are. I assume they are the other members of the all-league team but that info isn't public either. I haven't seen the NBL Canada release that info in past seasons until after the postseason. The league made the announcement on this page . TempleM (talk) 00:44, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV dispute

Parts of this article appear to have either been written by the subject or his publicist.

The opening description of him as a "humanitarian" and a "creator" are not objective terms.

The final paragraph of the opening section "White frequently challenges the fundamentals of capitalism and corporate culture and how the two are a major roadblock to achieving a better social equity and quality. White claims a business style of social entrepreneurship. A concept that is becoming very popular amongst millennial entrepreneurs.[4]" are not objective and clearly meant to be complimentary.

This article has also had negative comments and depictions of him and his behavior removed from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Golotaguy (talk • contribs) 18:43, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There have been versions of this article that have had questionable content, but I have reverted a few changes that I do not feel misrepresent the subject.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:47, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Golotaguy and TonyTheTiger: Is this resolved? Can we remove the tag? AIRcorn (talk) 01:29, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The article is stable, I guess.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:25, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong Statistics

Fix the statistics, they're wrong.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.162.26.124 (talk) 14:22, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

2020 Sports Illustrated article

I've updated and incorporated some of the material from this SI article into White's page; namely, his training and plans to have his first MMA fight this year, and a quote from an unnamed NBA GM describing him as a "Curt Flood-type" figure for his efforts to bring more attention to mental health in the sport. White is still primarily notable for his tenure in the NBA, so it would be premature to identify him as an MMA fighter until he's begun to participate in matches. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 20:00, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

Royce White

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Result: Delist, as the article has not been kept up to date + there are NPOV concerns. Femke (talk) 17:05, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article is woefully outdated. It does not include enough details about White's recent political activities, public statements, or his recently announced campaign for congress (MN-05). Also, as others have pointed out on the talk page, negative edits tend be removed quickly (possibly by a PR team?). It no longer meets the criteria for a good article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minneapples (talk • contribs) 17:15, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Let's not war over basic WP:BLP requirements plz

If you're going to say mean things about people (particularly in the first sentence of their article), you have to have some kind of source. You really need to have proof from good sources per WP:BLP, but I mean you ought to have at least something. There's no "oh everybody knows it" or "enh who cares, we just don't like the guy" exceptions to WP:BLP.

It's not a matter of whether the statement is true or not. The reader needs to be able to have a source to check for verification. If "oh its just obvious" is in play then there ought to be be plenty of good sources readily available. Herostratus (talk) 11:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What are you referring to? Dflovett (talk) 14:54, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't say without a source -- WP:BLP rules apply to talk pages, too. But my edit's in the history, and that's the second time I've had to remove it. Herostratus (talk) 23:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently they're referring to the use of "conspiracy theorist" in the lead which they have removed with an overly dramatized edit summary reading It's libel if if its not true. It can't assumed to be true if you don't give a source. Do not war over this, discuss at talk, see talk. (And, yes, we can discuss it.) -- Pemilligan (talk) 00:19, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There's only one of me, please don't misnumber me. Anyway, all I'm asking for is a good source. (Don't feel like doing it myself... normally I would pass it by (or just tag) don't usually go for drive-by redactions, but it's BLP so I'm actually required to.) Herostratus (talk) 01:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2600:1700:9E10:4330:F812:BCED:F98:2622 (talk) 17:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Royce White is not a "far-right" individual. There is an obvious political bias here.

Not done: There are many sources saying that he is. Even the New York Post calls him far-right. Wikipedia goes by what reliable sources say, not by the opinions of its editors - whether that's the people you perceive as being biased, or you. --AntiDionysius (talk) 17:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]