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Seems like a lot of the chatter on here is people that have an personal issue with intelligence tests. Their validity is your opinion and not a suitable reason to pull anything from this page. The US govn't uses a variety of intelligence tests for all of the various sectors of government, which is a matter of fact. Hoeflin is well regarded pioneer in this field and an rather well known philosopher within his sub-genre of categorization in epistemology. Taken as a whole, he is a notable person whom helped introduce many famous intellectuals to a broader audience, such as Marilyn vos Savant (among others).

This whole trend of berating a subject because of personal biases and then having the larger Wiki audience suffer for it is really unconscionable attempt at historical revisionism...

You cannot will the facts out of existing with petty tactics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:342:103:DA20:41A8:D3DB:4C49:EFFB (talk) 20:44, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Early comments

What is Hoeflin's own IQ? I think we should add that to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.33.49.251 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 14 June 2006

This individual is self-published and not notable enough for a separate entry. Suggest merge to Mega Society. Comments? DaturaS 18:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

His Mega Test appeared in Omni magazine, and it was a big deal at the time. The Prometheus Society's journal, Gift of Fire, is up to 162 issues. Care to elaborate on why this entry should be deleted? Galizur 15:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It makes no sense to me either. Make sure you register your views on the AfD raised against Ronald Hoeflin's article here. The Mega Society's deletion is being appealed here. --Michael C. Price ^talk 18:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd have voted for keeping, maybe with cleanup and adding material. After all, much less significant material gets entries and many stubs get edited into something more substantial. (E.g. John de Courcy Ireland - I started the stub and others contributed.) Autarch 19:05, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Citation needed

I have marked up statements in the article that needed citations. The rest of the article seems well-sourced. If sources can't be found, those statements should be deleted, as per WP:CITE. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Obonicus (talk • contribs) 20:54:55, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

Legality

I think that it is relevant to note in this article (and articles related to him) that Hoeflin is not licensed to perform or design psychological assessments, his tests have not been peer-reviewed and, therefore, any intelligence testing he does (or is done with his tests) is illegal. Use [1] and [2] as starting points. BordenRhodes (talk) 08:50, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is definitely a very important point to note that the tests developed by Hoeflin have not been developed according to relevant professional standards. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 00:09, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Third-ing this and including a reference to the American Psychological Associations professional guidelines, as OP’s links don’t appear to work. 24.238.37.196 (talk) 02:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your comments about legality are poorly worded, and as a JD, I have to laugh at the whole poorly worded argument you are attempting to phrase. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.15.205.113 (talk) 14:39, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is actually worded pretty well, and covers multiple points in the APA guidelines for testing and evaluation. Hoeflin’s test has no psychometric merit. 24.238.37.196 (talk) 02:11, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It's very important to check reliable sources while editing this article. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 00:10, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lack of bias and inclusion of POV endemic to Wikipedia due to zealots... read exchange for more information on persons with a "biasing axe" to grind

Yes, it is important to avoid personal bias and POV. Here's a rather interesting exchange regarding someone's problem with adhering to that principle: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Maunus/Talk:Archivepage7

CHK 09 March 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.15.205.113 (talk)

Pfff

I've seen one of his "test" when it was available online in the end of the 90s, I wasn't able to answer even one of the questions... JMB-HappyMonkey328 (talk) 21:55, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What are criteria for active high-IQ societies?

I see the article describes several societies founded by Hoeflin in the terms "all are active today," yet some of the wikilinks to those societies are redlinks, that is dead links, perhaps because the societies failed the criteria for Wikipedia articles about organizations. That suggests that those societies are not "active" in the usually understood meaning of that term. What is an appropriate criterion for activity to back up a statement that an organization is active? -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 20:44, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

One potential solution now that Mega Society redirects here is to create a category for active. Jjazz76 (talk) 23:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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NPOV template - article neutrality

Polygnotus, you placed the NPOV template on this article in this edit [3] but there is neither an edsum on that edit nor any discussion on this page as to what the neutrality issue is. Could you explain? Or can the template go, now that it has been to AfD and kept? Thanks. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:29, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sirfurboy Meh, its one of those situations where I don't think we have the sources to write a neutral article so I removed the tag. The article sure is misleading tho. Polygnotus (talk) 15:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It does need work, although I am not sure it is neutrality at issue so much as a lack of attention. This is an interesting read [4]. I'll see what I can do with it. I actually agree with your view at AfD somewhat - Hoeflin is only marginally notable. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Polygnotus @Sirfurboy - Thanks to both of you for your very hard work in this interesting space. I plan on working on this article and seeing what I can do with it. I appreciate your deep dive on the sources and really educating others on the challenges of Wikipedia-ing in this space. I've mostly been in Higher Ed on wikipedia, and this is definitely is own thing, but I see some shared challenges with respect to NPOV reporting, i.e. usually only believers report/edit son NPOV is harder to maintain. Jjazz76 (talk) 20:21, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. And thanks for your cleanup work! This is certainly not an easy article to work on. Good luck! Noesis 181 may be of interest to you. Polygnotus (talk) 21:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Polygnotus - I see they went full Synoptic gospels in that one, which is certainly interesting. Anything else you wanted to highlight beyond that issue and my shared interest in the study of religions? Jjazz76 (talk) 22:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jjazz76: Not at this point, but if I find more interesting stuff I'll post it here. Polygnotus (talk) 02:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a plan. Jjazz76 (talk) 02:26, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]