Talk:Roger Crozier/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 06:33, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Although, I am a Sabres fan who started following hockey sometime between 1973 and 1975, I feel I can review this article fairly, so I will give it a shot.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:33, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Allright, thanks! Heroman26 (talk) 02:23, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

• GENERAL COMMENT In general, I would like to see the team season when appropriate. "Red Wings squared off against the Montreal Canadiens in the 1966 Stanley Cup Finals" should not link to the same Canadiens article that " In the first round, they were matched up against the Montreal Canadiens." when we are seven seasons apart. I have had issue with some WP:HOCKEY editors in this regard. When you are talking about a specific game or series opponent it should link to a team season, IMO.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:28, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I added this to the article. Heroman26 (talk) 21:48, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

• First glance tells me this article is not up to snuff. Reread WP:WIAGA. This article needs to completely cover the story.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:28, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
• Article needs a background section. Recall that the WP:LEAD is suppose to summarize the article. Thus, the main body of the article should tell us where he was born in at least as great detail as the lead that summarizes it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:28, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
• You should have asked the local sources the name of his town's team.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:16, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
• Did they play in a notable league?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:16, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
• Am I correct to infer that senior is above junior hockey level?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:16, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
• Tell us where he was raised. Many people were born and raised in different places.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:28, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Then when you talk about "his town", it will tell us something.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:01, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
• Find his parents names and hopefully occupation and ethnicity.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:28, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

• My first important hockey memories were the 1975 Stanley Cup playoffs and my earliest significant sports playoff memories were this season (apologies to the 1973–74 Buffalo Braves, but I don't remember anything from those playoffs). I sort of remember Gare's OT goal (IIRC, it was a rush with Rammer and Luce and he shot a wristshot from the wing). and definitely remember thinking tanks were going to overtake our city because we lost the war in the end (I was 9 and a little confused about geopolitical wars and the wars described on my sports pages). I don't understand how this article could be complete without mentioning the name Gerry Desjardins. What happened that Desjardins got over 70% of the playoff minutes after only playing 9 regular season games. I actually remember Desjardins as my team's first goaltender. Please tell me why this is.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:28, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Sorry about the Desjardins thing. I had a typo in my search bar.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:50, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
• Are we missing the beginning of the 62-63 season?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:07, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I've added the names of his wife and daughters in the post-career section. Also, I was able to find a little information on his background (when he first started playing goalie and how many siblings he has). My main tool of research is the Internet, and I haven't been able to find any mention of his parents at all. Maybe in books there will be some mention of them but I don't have the books. Also, I believe I did cover the beginning of the 62-63 season. It should be the first two sentences of Early Career. If the problems were not fully addressed or if there are more please tell me. Thanks!Heroman26 (talk) 00:37, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

The fact that you are limited to the internet does not diminish your responsibility to meet WP:WIAGA. You will need to find a source of information from his local newspapers or something to identify his parents. Can you contact the local library from his area of origin.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:44, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

• OK, I'll email the Bracebridge Public Library about this and hopefully they can provide me with a good answer. Heroman26 (talk) 05:04, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

• Is "Crozier would be the last NHL goaltender to start all of his team's games during the regular season." a LEADworth fact? I sort of think so, but am open to an argument to the contrary.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:06, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Something like "was the first player ever to win the Conn Smythe Trophy while playing on the losing team and remains the last NHL goaltender to have started all of his team's regular season games" would be O.K. by me.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:15, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
• "Crozier suffered a leg injury which seemed to lower the Red Wings' morale for the rest of the series" needs a WP:IC and probably some quotes in order to remain in its entirety. I just don't see the connection between an injury and team morale in professional sports. Injuries are a part of the game.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:09, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

The source for this is source #16. It's right after the next sentence after it. The source covers both sentences so I put it after the second one. Heroman26 (talk) 21:48, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

• Link MBNA on first use.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:37, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Got it. Heroman26 (talk) 21:48, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

• I got the names of his parents from the Bracebridge Library archives. Heroman26 (talk) 21:48, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Is Austin a nickname or a maiden name?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:01, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
    • It's a nickname. Heroman26 (talk) 02:24, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Images

• Main image is FU for a player who has been deceased 20 years.
• The other image (File:Hhof calder.jpg) is free.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:42, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

• Anything else to be fixed? Heroman26 (talk) 03:21, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
  • I am going to fail this. This article needs some fresh eyes.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:17, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
    • Ok, thank you for your time in assessing this article. I'll take all your suggestions and implement them in the article (the background section needs the most work obviously). Hopefully in the future after all these fixes, this article will be at GA status. Heroman26 (talk) 02:48, 27 July 2013 (UTC)