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There was a short lived series of books based on Robot series with the title Isaac Asimov's Robot City written by other writers. The usual stuff. Some greedy editor using Asimov's fame (the books have introductions written by Asimov, but i don't know if they were written especially for this books).

Odyssey (1987) by Michael P. Kube-McDowell; Suspicion (1987) by Mike McQuay; Cyborg (1987) by William F. Wu; Prodigy (1988) by Arthur Byron Cover; Refuge (1988) by Rob Chilson; Perihelion (1988) by William F. Wu.

There were plans for more 6 books but AFAIK they were never published or even written.

There were more (Robots and Aliens, Robots in Time etc.). They are already mentioned under "Other authors". Ausir 11:26, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Outer Limits

The I, Robot episode of Outer Limits is based on Eando Binder's short story, I, Robot, and is unrelated to Isaac Asimov; except that the title for Asimov's first collection of robot stories was "borrowed" from Binder's short story (Asimov initially objected to this). See the Eando Binder page for more info. Srainwater 14:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Star Trek references

Is there a connection between Data's positrinic brain in Star Trek Next Generation and Asimov's positrinic brain? If so, shouldn't that be mentioned in some manner?

Yes, Data's brain is a homage to Asimov's robots. Ausir 17:00, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Ausir is correct - they asked Asimov for permission and he agreed. I read that somewhere but I cannot remember where. →Raul654 20:03, Jun 21, 2004 (UTC)

Is there an order in the robot series?

I've got three robot books, Robots of Dawn, Robots and Empire and Robot Dreams' and from the years they were written I conclude I should read them in that order. But do I need to read anything else first? (And do you recommend any followups?) Is there any buildup between the books? About 15 years ago I've read the Foundation trilogy and Fantastic Voyage in Spanish (which wasn't easy, to put it mildly - I'm not as much of a multilinguist as I like to fool myself into thinking :) ). But I've largely forgotten how those stories went. Should I read any of those again first? I haven't read the article in too detailed a fashion, afraid to read a spoiler (although the warning seems a bit exaggerated). Shouldn't this sort of info be included in the article (before the spoiler warning)? And not just for the Robot series of course. DirkvdM 20:06, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Robot Dreams is a collection of short stories. Robots of Dawn and Robots and Empire are novels. In terms of a timeline, the first novel would be Robot Dreams (Early 21st Century), then Robots of Dawn(3503 CE), and finally Robots and Empire (3505 CE to 3697 CE) where CE = Common Era = AD. This timeline lists the Robots and Foundation novels in the rightmost column ordered by date. Maybe you can cover the middle column with a piece of paper and figure out how you want to read them :) sikander 22:10, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that's a helpful link (that is the only external link, so why didn't I try that?). That makes clear in which order I should read the books I have, but I'm still unsure which books I might (want or need to) read before that. I've already started reading Robots of Dawn (impatient me) and there are plenty references to what happened before. Now there are two bases for the order of the books. One is the timeline, as in the link. The other is the order in which the books are written. For example, Caves of steel and Naked Sun were written in that order but are reversed in the timeline. So I suppose there won't be any references to Caves of steel in Naked Sun and the latter can be read separately from the former. But do I need to read both to fully understand Robots of Dawn? And what about I robot? And the foundation series? They're all interrelated, but what if someone wants to read a book somewhere in the middle. What books are 'advised reading' before that? I imagine making such an overview wouldn't be easy, or could at least a rough guideline be given?

For example, judging by the years in the left column (and trying to ignore the middle bit), my guess is that the following is a rounded off series: Naked Sun - Caves of Steel - Robots of Dawn - Robots and Empire. But then Robots and Empire makes a jump into the next century. Is that a prelude to the foundation series? And Naked Sun is in the timeline before and after Caves of Steel. What am I tomake of that? I don't ask just for me, but this is meant as a suggestion to make a 'logical timeline' of the books. Which I can't do yet until I've read all the books. Which might take some time. :) DirkvdM 07:38, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. Asimov suggested a reading order in Prelude to Foundation and you can view that here without any spoilers. Personally I first read the Foundation trilogy, Second Foundation trilogy, Foundation's Edge, and Foundation and Earth. After finishing those I realized that there's an entire Robot series that has a ton of information and background about many characters found in the Foundation universe. I still enjoyed all of the books! Good luck and happy reading! sikander 21:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spoilers

I haven't read the article, but would it be possible to break the spoilers into a subsection of the article, leaving the majority spoiler-free? It just seems more useful if the ENTIRE article isn't barred behind a spoiler warning. Anne 23:26, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Tiedemann's Robot Books?

Is there an intentional reason that Mark Tiedemann's Robot books are not mentioned in this article? -- Macduff 05:40, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blade Runner? I don't think so

I took the liberty of removing the following remark:

This series and the ideas set forth in them defined the Robot's place in modern science fiction, the stereotype he created appearing everywhere from Star Wars to Alien and Bladerunner, to name a few popular examples.

I fail to see any particular connection between Asimov's robots and those of Aliens and Blade Runner, besides them being robots (more or less) with artificial intelligence. They certainly are not subject to the three laws, the replicants are not even robots in the conventional sense of the word, and they are based on the works of Philip K. Dick, who takes the concept in a completely different direction. And if neither of these apply to Asimov's "stereotype", then it can hardly be said to have defined the robot's place in modern science fiction. I may have missed something (it's not as if I have read all of Asimov's robot stories), but if reinstating said comment, please back it up with some argument. O0pyromancer0o (talk) 16:11, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, the section as it was worded was innacurate and POVish, removing it was a good call. However, such ideas as the Positronic Brain and the Three Laws have became very widely known and used outside of Asimov's stories; in fact, he coined the term "robotics." I think it's worth mentioning the effect the series has had, albeit in a more accurate manner. -- Macduff (talk) 23:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

more details on short story of i robot

more free details on themes,style,character and characteristic..this is for students research —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.106.77.226 (talk) 09:19, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of novels

Should a list of the novels be included? If all of them are listed on this page, it's not in one place like it is on the Empire series page (http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Isaac_Asimov%27s_Galactic_Empire_Series). Title/year info can be found at http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Foundation_Trilogy in the List of books within the Foundation Universe section. Mill1352 (talk) 15:27, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes indeed the list of novels should be included! The section titled "robot Novels" spends much of its time discussing related short stories but not much about the novels themselves! 68.196.122.36 (talk) 23:50, 17 March 2011 (UTC)KC[reply]

New move proposal

I've made a new proposal to rename this article and Isaac Asimov's Galactic Empire Series in line with the naming conventions. Please have your say on the discussion there. --xensyria^T 18:59, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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How many short stories are in the Robot series?

The lead says there are 38, while the article for The Complete Robot lists 37. Is it 37 or 38? And if it is 38, what is the 38th story? Oornery (talk) 06:51, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

When a 38th one is mentioned, it's the connective text in I, Robot. --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 03:07, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 31 January 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. The two opposition !votes mention other uses, such as a "series of robot" and that this is "far too ambiguous", but no evidence is supplied to back that up, so the nominator's evidence of searching for other uses and not finding them, and slight numeric advantage for support !votes, gives them the consensus — Amakuru (talk) 14:23, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Robot series (Asimov) → Robot series – Unnecessary disambiguation. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 12:17, 31 January 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:07, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What about Robot (series)? Axem Titanium (talk) 21:20, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NATURAL disambiguation would make it preferable to avoid a parenthetical disambiguation for "series" if it would be fine without it. I suppose it might conflict with the idea of a "series" of robots, but I cannot see that being especially relevant at the moment._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 02:05, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support clearly the primary topic. The only other robot series I could find were two video games (Gyromite, and Stack-Up neither of which have their own articles) that were compatible with the video game peripheral R.O.B in 1985. At most a hatnote to R.O.B may be in order since it does mention the other short lived series.--69.157.252.96 (talk) 03:42, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Robot series would mean a series of robots. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:14, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have any articles about a series of robots because if not it seems like a non issue?--69.157.252.96 (talk) 14:21, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If there is a viable WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT then please make it known and I might be willing to reconsider and withdraw my move request. Otherwise it doesn't seem pertinent. Robot does not mention anything about series of robots._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 01:31, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Nowhere near specific enough. Far too ambiguous. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:41, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t see where ambiguity is an issue here. The Robot Series dabpage has three entries granted but I see this ore as the primary contender. The first of the other entire is a series of two video games that started and finished in 1985 and the third is an anime genre better known as Mecha in the West (I’m basing this one the title using mecha and not robot). A link to the dabpage should be all we need here.--69.157.252.96 (talk) 03:56, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IMO the Super Robot/Real Robot stuff shouldn't even be on there because it's not referred to as a "robot series" anywhere. So all we're left with are two games made by Nintendo, which is so small that it hardly qualifies as a "series"._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 10:29, 7 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support, clear primary topic. —Xezbeth (talk) 06:26, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Question: is the name of this series actually "Robot series" or is "series" a descriptive word here (as in "James Bond series")? --Gonnym (talk) 20:48, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's the descriptive word. Similar to Souls (series) but with the parenthesis removed per WP:NATURAL. That means even if people don't agree about ambiguity, it should still be moved to Robot (series) instead._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 10:37, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Suggest merge March 2020

U.S. Robots and Mechanical Men has no notability outside of the Asmiov stories. It could be usefully shortened and merged here as one of the recurring elements of the "Robots" series. --Wtshymanski (talk) 22:46, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No referenced content to merge. It is not mentioned here so it doesn't even warrant a redirect at this point. My current vote is just to delete it. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:30, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]