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Added a trivia section

It includes the following:

"The name for a character called "Ridley," from the video game Metroid, may be an homage to Ridley Scott. Elements of this game are believed to have been inspired by Alien."

Mister Tog 03:47, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, the addition was speculative. If you can cite sources then there's no problem re-instating it. :-) Chris 42 11:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Ridley Scott also worked (editor? )on a black and white BBC documentary from the 1960's about the coldest british winter of 1963. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.82.174.43 (talk) 00:23, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Added an trademarks section

just in case, any type of thing that should or would be added (or removed), perhaps should go through here. Most of the info was taken from IMDB and the BRmovie.com website. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.113.116.71 (talk • contribs) 04:26, 16 December 2005.

Well for the moment I've removed
*Extensive use of Masonic symbolisms in many of his movies, particulary in both Blade Runner & Hannibal.
which was originally 'Renaissance symbolism' - I would tend to agree with use of fans and to a lesser extent smoke, but I can't find any good sources suggesting Masonic or Renaissance symbolism.
Many of the other examples listed are hardly trademarks. You could argue for the use of music by Hans Zimmer as being a trademark if its used in more than half his films. But with music by Vangelis and Goldsmith having been used in only two films each, I wouldn't say that means anything in particular.
In this interview Scott says that his trademarks are concentrating on the photography and art direction. I must say that comes through much more strongly in his films than any personal involvement in casting. -- Solipsist 07:45, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
  • use of symbolisms on scott features is quite extensive, from the symbolism of Doves and Icarus in Hannibal, to symbolising each character in Blade Runner with an animal, Scott does an extensive use of many symbolisms that can be found mostly in paintings, from renaissance to flemish paintings. As sometimes symbolisms dont have any profound meaning (such as the orange in the godfather, the tree in Eraserhead, all of them dont really have a background but are symbolisims), Scott's symbolisms have a background, usually mythologic, religious and/or just as a puzzle, such as the hand cream in Hannibal, wich although is not explained there, a quick research will lead that is made from the amputated hand of a whale.

Death of brother?

The article Blade_Runner#Production claims Ridley (and Tony) Scott had a brother who died around 1980. Is this true? If so, it should be mentioned here. --Saforrest 05:37, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Frank Scott, Ridleys' older brother (i think it was his older brother). He died before he started to make Blade Runner, and his death was significant in the depressive mood of the movie (a lá Picasso).

I have added this into the text. Ridley Scott states on Mark Kermode's documentary 'the Edge of Blade Runner' that he took the job of directing the film after being affected by his brother's death (he thought it was going to be a 'quick fix emotionally').

Academy Awards

Ridley Scott is "an Academy Award winning director and producer"? According to IMDb, he has been nominated for directing 3 times, never winning. Gladiator won the Academy Award for Best Picture, but he was an uncredited executive producer on that film, so he didn't get the award. When has he received an Academy Award? I don't think he's ever won. Jmartinsson 04:56, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I've changed "Academy Award-winning" to "Academy Award-nominated". Jmartinsson 18:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Better a removal of the phrase on my opinnion, i mean come on, the guy has won an award in Cannes and yet still the Oscar is the holy grial of movies here in IMDB. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.215.168.240 (talk) 05:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

Sting songs 'trademark'

I'm not sure that in a directoral career that spans around 20 movies, the fact that two of them close or open with songs by Sting makes that a 'trademark'. Atraxus 18:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

The Gladiator link at the top should lead to the page about the film, but instead leads to the page about historical gladiators. How do you fix that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.150.9 (talk) 21:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I've fixed it. Chris 42 22:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Success of Kingdom of Heaven

In the Trademarks-section it says that Kingdom of Heaven was a flop (which is, at least according to IMDb and my own personal experience of watching the film in the theatre with only a few other people, correct). In the section Gladiator and Beyond section KoH is called "internationally successful". Seems like one of the two is wrong.

It fared much better overseas than in the US, and thats actually a fact, you can check boxoffice mojo for it (budget: 130 mil; earnings national: 40 mil; earnings international: 160 mil) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.215.161.72 (talk) 02:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Get a better photo, for crissakes!

Hey guys and gals: I had to remove the Infobox photograph from this article. It was unflattering. How about sending a few envoys over to Flickr to see if the nice folks over there will release the copyright on some of their photographs: [1] [2]. There are many more over there: [3] [4] [5]. And even more: explore! People like to have their work viewed so if you're kind you could probably get a few to help out the Wiki article. I'd try saying something like:

Dear So and So: I really like the photo you took of Ridley Scott (http://flickr.com/photos/clayapples/1049320632/). I'd like to add it to the article about Ridley Scott on Wikipedia, but this would violate your copyright on it. Would you be willing to license it under either the Creative Commons Attribution or Attribution-ShareAlike license to allow others to use the picture? If so, you can go to edit next to "All rights reserved" on the picture's page and select one of those two from the menu bar.

Try it out. It couldn't hurt, and who knows, maybe you'll get a lot of really nice photography to help burnish this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by You're making me look ugly (talk • contribs) 19:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Semi-protect request...

If this page is vandalized only once a day, I suspect it won't be protected... —  X  S  G  01:22, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Better Picture?

I think we need to work on getting a better photograph of Ridley Scott for this article. The current one is low resolution and blurry. Also, it's at a bad angle. We might be able to get a good photo from some sort of official website. Thanks!! --Robo56 (talk) 02:44, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

air guitar player?

can we possibly find a more becoming photo of ridley? jerry garcia had a better profile shot. 71.51.19.39 (talk) 02:37, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Alien Prequel

According to the "Alien (Franchise) wiki-article, the prequel is on hold: "Scott wants a $250 million budget along with an R rating, but 20th Century Fox doesn't feel confident about investing so much money in a film that isn't PG-13, and as a result the film's production is currently on indefinite hold." Shouldn't this be mentioned in this article as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.44.196.146 (talk) 16:46, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Gettysburg?

Apparently Ridley and Tony have made a Gettysburg reenactment for the History Channel that comes out on May 30th, 2011. Why is this not mentioned on the page at all? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usg_Lh0UyMc 75.97.14.253 (talk) 16:05, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

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97.87.29.188 (talk) 22:43, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Hollywood Walk of Fame

2011 is now over - so was he - or not ? -- Beardo (talk) 16:15, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Sherlock Holmes

Didn't he direct Sherlock Holmes (2009), or was that someone else? Vought109 (talk) 08:23, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Prometheus?

Is it really appropriate to list Prometheus as one of Scott's most famous films? The thing has barely been released.WeOwnTheNight (talk) 10:57, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

tony scott and ridley scotts birthplace

How was tony born in north shields and ridley born in south shields ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.1.172.75 (talk) 09:28, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Tony's suicide note place of discovery

In the 'Personal Life' section, something seems wrong with the statement "A suicide note, that was originally thought to have been found in his car on the bridge, was subsequently found in his office." I understand that the note was originally reported as being found in his car, but that was incorrect and later confirmed as being found in his office. If I wasn't aware of this, the wording would have lead me to believe a note may or may not have been found in his car, but the same note was also LATER found in his office. I may be being picky, but perhaps the wording should be similar to "A suicide note, mistakenly reported as being found in his car, was later confirmed as being found in his office." Thoughts? MrZoolook (talk) 13:23, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Commercials

It seems Ridley Scott shot a few commercials for Chanel over a period of time, however the Commercials section only mentions the 1979 ad. Worth adding the rest? (1982, 1986, 1990)
http://inside.chanel.com/en/#!/no5/advertising
Nandyssy (talk) 09:56, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Macintosh Advertisement

The article says:

Having cut his teeth on television commercials—most notably one for Apple Macintosh computers titled 1984—he graduated to Hollywood...

This does not seem right. Prior to 1984, Scott had already achieved major success in Hollywood with Alien (1979) and Blade Runner (1982).

I think you are right. The Mac add shouldn't be mentioned at this point, he probably got that job off the back of Blade Runner. The transition to film directing was following his UK adds of the 1970s including the Hovis advert and a Guinness advert with Rutger Hauer. This Hovis add is still widely remembered in the UK, 30 years later. -- Solipsist

The sentence reads "titled '1984'". It doesn't say that was when the commercial was shot.Hellbound Hound (talk) 14:29, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

From what source are the Genre Rankings taken?

Its just subjective. I expect it could be presented better than given in this table - see for example the 2 para in this newspaper review -- Solipsist 07:58, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Sorry, that answer is not entirely accurate. For the Apple 1984 ad, there is some ranking evidence given in its article:
For example Advertising Age named it the 1980s 'Commercial of the Decade' and in 1999 the US TV Guide selected it as number one in their list of '50 Greatest Commercials of All Time'.
The film rankings could be taken from IMDB rankings but you would have to do more work to put them into genres. So for example Gladiator would be number 3 in 'Sword and Sandal' because Spartacus and Ben-Hur rate higher. But the division into genres would still be subjective, and Blade Runner should be only a top10 as there are several other Sci-fi films above it, whilst Alien could be the No.1 in Horror, if you decide Silence of the Lambs and Psycho are Thrillers not Horror movies. -- Solipsist 08:22, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The article says:

In 2004, while on location in Morocco during the filming of Kingdom of Heaven, a movie about the Crusades, Scott reported receiving death threats from Islamist extremists. The Moroccan government sent hundreds of soldiers to protect Scott and the production.

But the article for Kingdom of Heaven says the the soldiers were part of the cast and the protection story is incorrect.

I agree, it looks suspicious. I suspect elements of the story must be true (there is plenty of discussion on the web, with unattributed quotes from crew members and mentions of King Mohammed of Morocco getting involved), but much of it must be the media getting carried away with a good terrorist-threat story. This article in the Economist gives a good overview. I particularly like the line;
Many producers maintain that the risks from terrorism are 
greatly exaggerated. They say that the paparazzi are far more 
likely to impede film shoots than members of al-Qaeda.
Sir Ridley closed the set of 'Kingdom of Heaven' to terrorists 
and journalists alike.
-- Solipsist 07:58, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Enormous amount of fan material

An enormous amount of subjective and biased fan material has worked its way into this article. Fans who've taken over the article? Conflict of interest? It's hard to tell. 67.188.212.174 (talk) 20:04, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Exodus?

No mention of this project? He is already casting extras. ♆ CUSH ♆ 12:01, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Re-working the Lead (October 2015)

Please review the article's lead with me vs the Manual of Style WP:LEAD. As of now, there are about a dozen movies listed as "better-known". This seems too long, even for a very notable director, and this extra detail frustrates the reader's effort to get a quick overview. IMDB lists about ~24 movies he directed between Aliens and now; It can't be that 50% are worth calling out in the Lead. The long list of movies is made worse by commas within clauses (like mentioning an Academy award). One solution is to do set off the list with a : and separate its items with a ;, but that only calls attention to the list being too long/stilted and not a good summary. The challenge seems to be to pick about 4 movies to be "best known" (I recommend those with the highest revenue and most awards), or simply summarize that Scott, since Aliens, has produces X-number of high-grossing films and Y-number of Academy Award winners, and leave the listing for the article body KevinCuddeback (talk) 12:06, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

I'd start by cutting Robin Hood (mixed reviews, box office "disappointment"), Matchstick Men ("underwhelming" box office), and Kingdom of Heaven (mixed reviews, box office "flop"). Also, using the word "the" over and over is bad writing: Gladiator is a just a "historical drama", not "the historical drama". -Jason A. Quest (talk) 13:58, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Made a start. Also immediately removed this from lead as unsourced in a BLP (see WP:LEAD and WP:BLP "Scott is known for his atmospheric, highly concentrated visual style, which has influenced many other directors..., plus two Golden Globe and two BAFTA Awards. If someone has a nice sourced NPOV list of awards, it might go here instead. KevinCuddeback (talk) 14:39, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

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Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Ridley Scott/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Lacks references, and is generally too short.

Last edited at 15:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 04:27, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Approach and style

Some time ago i edited on the common elements on Scott´s films that included the confrontation son-father. On that occasion i included the fact that the alien growing inside Kane could symbolically be consider his son: a son that kills his father. This point of view was edited. I still believe that it applies, and i would like that you consider to include it back. Though this portion of the page doesn´t meet wikipedia standard for citation, I think it is not necessary for when you see the films you´ll find out it fits in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Editsometimes (talk • contribs) 20:50, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Would someone please elaborate on the one and only sentence on women characters? A whole paragraph would be great and well-deserved. -- Boltze.patrick (talk) 10:14, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Scott's world view

Scott has frequently stated in interviews the effect of his father being in the army as a child meant that family life was dominated by his mother. This relects on some of his Directorial choices for films with strong female characters.

Inversly father figures play a recurring role: search for the maker in prometheus and bladerunner. Estranged and surrogate fathers in robin hood, gladiator, and kingdom of heaven. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.183.188 (talk) 23:04, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Scott's studies at the Royal College of Art would have had a strong cross artform basis. This would explain why in his early films he had such close interest in production and costume design. Scott has also said that his interest is totally visual - this may indicate that he suffers from some form of word recognition disorder or considers the level of literary education he recieved as a child - not unlikely considering he comes from the North East of England - was inadequate.

Well, I for one find that highly unlikely, given that Scott was privately educated at one of the more prestigious Tyneside public (i.e. private) schools - something that is not mentioned in the article. 217.155.20.163 22:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Scott appears to be genuinely apolitical. Many of the figures that he was associated with such as Putnam, Parker, Hudson and Saatchi have all gone on to high profile rolls in UK political positions or to work for one of the parties but aside from issues of tax support for British film production Scott has made few direct statements this way.

The Table

I really think the table should be removed as it is very unclear where the rankings come from. I had no idea what it was talking about. You have to attribute the listings to a source, you can't just say "Rank No.2" without explaining it. I'll leave it a bit and then i'll probably remove it unless there are any objections in the meantime. JW 00:41, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm happy enough to remove the table since I added the original version. The Ranks mostly came from IMDB popularity ratings, but as discussed above they are still arbitrary since the division into genres can never be clear cut (is Alien SciFi, Horror or both?). Nevertheless, similar results are often expressed in other surveys, so it would be worth making the point in a less exact way. The second paragraph of this Gaurdian review puts it quite well,
But what is really unusual is that he has triumphed in so many different genres - costume drama, sci-fi, chick flick, horror, Roman epic and now war film.
(Chick flick - is that really a genre? and is Thelma and Louise a Chick Flick, Road Movie, or both?). -- Solipsist 16:53, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That was quick! Maybe it could be rephrased somehow. I think the ranking for his advert should be mentioned somewhere too, that's quite interesting, especially if the vote was from within the industry. I think it might also be worth mentioning that he and Tony Scott ran Shepperton Studios for a few years in the 90s, but I'm not sure about the details of that. JW 22:40, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Or you could just say that he is just influential, both visual-wise and acting wise. I remember watching a movie called "Romasanta" that had the same visuals that gladiator, plus the HBO series "ROME" seems to be largely "Gladiator" oriented. Not to mention this other tv series about the U.S. army that uses the same colors that "Black Hawk Down"

Blade Runner re-release

"Scott personally supervised a digitally restored Blade Runner and approved the Final Cut to be released in 2007," could maybe use attribution/update, as they've been talking about this DVD for years and nothing ever comes of it. There's a website specifically dedicated to the question (brmovie.com), and they don't seem to know with any certainty, either. There appear to be some legal difficulties with the re-release. -cneron

sorta, the news was released by the studio (or so i remember, a couple of months back). Scott plans to first release the 1992 DC with enhanced image and sound (wich was already realeased), to then a theatrical release of HIS version of the DC, to then release his DC along with the theatrical cut plus The Workprint later. So 2007 its going to be filled with Blade Runner aparently.
I attributed recent (May 06) information regarding the 2007 release to a report on the SciFi Channel website. Alcarillo 15:39, 13 October 2006 (UT)

'A Geordie L.A.'. Mr Scott was asked where he got the idea for the spectacular opening scenes of Blade Runner. He said; 'The Chemical Plants that used to be on Tyne-side. I still remember the flames from the works there'.Johnwrd (talk) 04:19, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

teesside, please. RS spent part of his childhood in hartlepool & would've seen ICI & british steel by looking south; I saw the same things by looking north from marske beach. he also spent time in the similarly industrial port talbot. but not geordie-land. :-)

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Early Life

I believe that the section on Scott's early life needs to be improved. He was born in South Shields and eventually settled on Teeside. However, the article states that the family moved to the NE (years after Scott was born) and that he studied there. Given that Scott was born in South Shields and it's in the NE, when did the family actually move away from the region? This needs to be explained. I have therefore added "moved back" to the NE until I can find further information. hedpeguyuk 20 July 2006, 7:38 (UTC)

I've sorted it out. hedpeguyuk 20 July 2006, 7:34 (UTC)

While I'm at it, I've removed Tyne and Wear from the infobox. Tyne and Wear did not exist at the time. I think SS was its own borough, or part of Co. Durham (I forget which) at the time. Look at articles on other people from the Tyneside area such as Neil Tennant and Bill Travers from N.Shields, "Northumberland". hedpeguyuk 20 July 2006, 8:20 (UTC) 

           Was told Ridley spent some schooling time at Prince Rupert Boarding School in Wilhelmshaven West Germany,as it was known then, an Army run school, as after primary school the only other further schools were Hamm or Wilhelmshaven. Ibadd999 (talk) 19:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC) ibadd999

Hey, I'm really unexperienced when it comes to Wikipedia, but can I make a suggestion that his birthplace "South Shields, County Durham" be changed to "South Shields, County Durham, England"? Most people outside of the UK have no idea what County Durham means or what country it's in, I think it would add clarity. As an American, I've only ever heard "County X" in reference to Ireland; I had to google where Durham is. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.117.177.46 (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Raised by Wolves

I cannot believe there are no more after series 2 please can you get someone to produce and not leave us hanging like this 2A02:C7C:6E20:2B00:88AD:FA45:E297:60A8 (talk) 23:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Ridley Scott and Scientology

He rather famously left the organization after reaching a pretty high level. I think there should be some reference to that in this article. nycdi (talk) 06:02, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Reaching statements about themes and style

I have a few issues with some of the statements about Scott's themes and style. They seem to me like they're working really hard to find recurring elements in a career that could be more correctly defined as "eclectic". For instance, right in the intro:

Though his films range widely in setting and period, they frequently showcase memorable imagery of urban environments, whether 2nd century Rome (Gladiator), 12th century Jerusalem (Kingdom of Heaven), Medieval England (Robin Hood), contemporary Mogadishu (Black Hawk Down), the future cityscapes of Blade Runner, or the distant planets in Alien, Prometheus, The Martian and Alien: Covenant.

First of all, Mars is not "a distant planet", and Alien is set on a ship. The entire sentence references the use of "urban environments": not a single one of the mentioned "distant planets" films has an urban setting. "Medieval England" is also not a valid example of "urban environment". I haven't seen Kingdom of Heaven and Black Hawk Down, but I'm not sure Jerusalem and Mogadishu play this big of a role. Please note this entire passage has no citation of any sort.

Later, in the paragraph "Approach and style", it's said (again, with no citation) "Another technique he employs is use of sound or music to build tension". Really? This is a choice that's unique of Scott's style? As opposed to what everybody with a professional background does where appropriate? If it's indeed true that Scott does that, then we can also say that Scott very often uses artificial lighting and mounts his camera on a dolly to perform tracking shots.

And then (this time citing a 2013 book that can't be accessed online): "Artificial intelligence is a unifying theme throughout Scott's career as a director, particularly in Blade Runner, Alien, and Prometheus." Particularly or exclusively? Because I don't see any other film by Scott that deals with artificial intelligence (there's the same self-aware android in Prometheus's sequel, but his AI is not discussed anymore). With 25 films and counting in Scott's career, can really be called a "unifying theme" something that appears in only three of them? Kumagoro-42 (talk) 22:36, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Very good points! nycdi (talk) 19:36, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Described as English vs. British

I feel like it would make more sense to describe Scott as British rather than English. It feels a little like opening Matthew McConaughey's Wikipedia page by describing him as a Texan actor. I recognise that there is considerable precedent for calling England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland countries, and treating them as such, but this is far more to do with their prominence in history than it is recognition of their current place in the world. Although the constituent parts of the UK are called countries they are far closer, in function, to the constituent states of the USA or the republics of the Russian Federation.

Whether or not the point above holds, the Wikipedia Manual of Style on Biography suggests that the opening sentence includes the nationality of the person. English is simply not a nationality. 31.201.66.124 (talk) 23:20, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

I agree. To be described as English when this isn’t a citizenship requires citation, to establish that the RS commonly use this description, and I don’t see any. MapReader (talk) 22:38, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia is so inconsistent on this. Not too long ago, Ken Loach was changed from English to British, but David Lean and Alfred Hitchcock are both still on here as English. And why are Judi Dench, Kate Winslet, Alan Rickman, Tim Roth, Gary Oldman and Benedict Cumberbatch on here as English then? Rodericksilly (talk) 23:23, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
tbf England is actually a country, Texas isn't and never was: it's basically America's equivalent of Yorkshire, but probably quite a bit more understated. I'm English as I was born here, though personally I'd rather go with Northumbrian as a nationality. I mean as in ancient kingdom of: it also includes Durham, I was born just down the road from Scott. Anyway, it's not (yet) and English is as much a nationality as Scottish: I dare you try telling them it's not a thing. I'll watch. --Vometia (talk) 13:43, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Who is the "strong female character" in "Napoleon"?

Article states: "Several of his films are also known for their strong female characters, such as Alien, Thelma & Louise (1991) and Napoleon (2023)."

I just saw Napoleon yesterday. There is only really one female character, and she is anything but "strong" compared to the truly strong women in the other movies mentioned. Josephine has zero impact on the outcome of the movie, is kept on the sidelines, and does nothing but get sad when she is dumped because she is too old to bear children... that is the opposite of a strong female portrayal. I suggest removing "Napoleon" from this paragraph. 216.164.226.167 (talk) 16:56, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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