Talk:Reputation (album)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Redirect proposal.

Over 20 editors have edited this page but one user doesn't want this page created yet. If that user prefers this page not exist, at this point they need to create a discussion here to gain consensus. --Oakshade (talk) 00:04, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi Protection Proposal.

Dozens of users are constantly anonymously vandilizing this page. It is very fustrating to have to repeatedly revert these unnecessary edits. I think it's a good idea for an administrator to put some sort of protection against random editors for this page.

Tracklist leak

I have a photo a shop employee posted of the tracklist. I can't find the link to have, it was shown to be in a message, that but Has It Leaked? has confirmed the tracklist and it's the same as in the photo. Not sure whether to update the article or not.

Tracklist: https://hasitleaked.com/2017/taylor-swift-reputation/

Yellowman94^{Talk•Contribs} 22:15, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Release History

New Zealand's date was pushed back to Nov. 12 https://itunes.apple.com/nz/album/reputation/1275140563 — Preceding unsigned comment added by DopeHat (talk • contribs) 01:50, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Studio

Needs to be updated to reflect all locations: https://www.allmusic.com/album/reputation-mw0003100199/credits Sdfakjdfjklklasdf (talk)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. -- HindWiki^Connect 00:23, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello, the Studio section of the infobox at the top of the page needs to be corrected to include all the studios listed at AllMusic. Need the MXM and Jack's home info to be changed to be all the studios listed at that site, including updating it to MXM's two locations, the name of Jack's studio, and all the other studios listed under Album Information (Recording Location Conway Studio, Los Angeles, CA MXM Studios, Los Angeles, CA MXM Studios, Stockholm, Sweden Rough Customer Studio, Brooklyn Heights, NY Seismic Activities Studios, Portland, OR Tree Sound Studios, Atlanta, GA).

In addition in the Promotion area on the Reputation wiki, it does not have the full name for the upcoming tour. Sdfakjdfjklklasdf (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:06, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:14, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

South Africa chart position

The album debuted at #3 in south Africa http://rsg.co.za/ you can archive the page here and add it as reference. Moella (talk) 09:32, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done – Happy Holidays and thank you very much!  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  17:38, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Edit to singles section

Hi, I don't have authorization to edit this article, so I was wondering if someone could revise something please? In the singles section, it says "New Year's Day" WILL be serviced to country radio on Nov 27. However, Nov 27 already passed, so it would make sense to change that to WAS serviced to country radio. It really ticks me off for some reason, thanks :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Igootin89 (talk • contribs) 04:11, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

 Fixed – it's a pleasure, and thank you for your contributions!  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  00:03, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 December 2017

Pleaseeatpizza (talk) 00:49, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Happy Holidays!  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  04:30, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 December 2017

Consequence of sound did not list reputation in its end of year list. it currently states it listed it as #6. Please remove it. Iwantedit (talk) 02:28, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:55, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Artwork and packaging

In the third sentence, first paragraph ― the correct term is typeface ― not ‘font.’ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stockholmnights (talk) 06:36, 20 December 2017 (UTC)]] (talk • contribs) 06:13, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

To editor Stockholmnights: the source article in the inline citation appears to use "font" and "typeface" interchangably; however, in light of your good catch, the deed is done. Happy Holidays to you!  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  03:53, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 December 2017

Dress is listed as the ninth song on the album, when it is actually the twelfth. Elhenzo (talk) 18:17, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

 Done, and Happy New Year to you!  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  16:02, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 February 2018

New Year's Day and Gorgeous aren't official singles from the album, they were sent to radio as promotional singles. The album's rumoured fourth single is "I Did Something Bad" and according to sources, it will be sent to radio and Taylor Swift will release an music video for this song soon. I'd like to correct this mistake, or maybe someone could correct it, please? Anonymousits2016 (talk) 06:44, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 16:00, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Delete redirect from ‘New Year’s Day’

Please delete the redirect from the song so I can create a lage for it because I have sufficient references. DontBlameMe (talk) 09:55, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

NEW YEAR'S DAY AND GORGEOUS ARE NOT SINGLES, DELICATE IS THE FOURTH SINGLE

"New Year's Day," and "Gorgeous" ARE NOT singles. Reputation's fourth single is "Delicate" and it will be sent to radio between March 13th/14th according to Billboard!!! Although "New Year's Day" and "Gorgeous" were sent to radio, THEY ARE NOT SINGLES. PLEASE DELETE THIS MESS. It's 100% incorrect. Anonymousits2016 (talk) 22:33, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:22, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 February 2018

https://twitter.com/chartdata/status/968939123053510656 Page needs to be updated to show her next single and the sixth single from this album "Delicate", which will be impacting US radio on March 12. Willdog37 (talk) 22:49, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:22, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 March 2018

"Delicate" will be fourth single, not sixth. Szymon7210 (talk) 18:21, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Does the source provided by User:Tommyrobertson above this edit request confirm this? I cannot access the page. Iffy★Chat -- 09:35, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

"Delicate" will be the fourth worldwide single. "New Year's Day" and "Delicate" were singles that only received minor releases. "New Year's Day" to country radio in North America and "Gorgeous" to hit radio in the UK. See "Talking to the Moon" and "Count On Me" by Bruno Mars. Szymon7210 DovahDuck(talk) -- 8:34, 6 March 2018 (EST)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:41, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 March 2018

Scotland and the United Kingdom are the same - there isn't a different chart for each, so the inclusion of both is redundant in the description of chart sales in the initial paragraph. 73.208.16.212 (talk) 04:11, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Even though Scotland is a part of the UK, it is not necessarily the same thing. The country has its own chart that is administered by the Official Charts Company. talk DovahDuck(talk) -- 1:45, 7 March 2018 (EST)

 Not done: Factually incorrect. Regardless of Scotland's political relationship to the UK, The OCC publishes separate charts, one for Scotland and another for the UK. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:43, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 March 2018

"Delicate" will be sent to contemporary hit and adult contemporary radio as the album's sixth single on March 12, 2017.[58] Its music video premiered at the 2018 iHeartRadio Music Awards.[59] Seems like it should be 2018, not 2017. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCXGJQYZ9JA, http://www.idolator.com/7675640/taylor-swift-next-single-delicate?adblock=1, earlier in this same Wikipedia article, and https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2018/03/12/taylor-swift-returns-master-form-delicate-music-video/415871002/. Smarier (talk) 19:34, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

 Done Iffy★Chat -- 20:00, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

article rating

This article surely isn't start-class anymore. Could it be upped to C-class? Nahnah4 (talk | contribs | guestbook) 06:55, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 March 2018

Is it possible to add the position of reputation on the 2017 Japanese Albums year-end chart and 2017 South Korean International Albums year-end chart.

Year-end charts

Chart (2017)	Position
Australian Albums (ARIA)	3
Austrian Albums (Ö3 Austria)	55
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders)	57
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia)	165
Dutch Albums (MegaCharts)	90
German Albums (Offizielle Top 100)	60
Japanese Albums (Oricon)	73
Mexican Albums (AMPROFON)	93
New Zealand Albums (RMNZ)	9
South Korean International Albums (Gaon)	51
Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade)	98
UK Albums (OCC)	15

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Francois1417 (talk • contribs) 13:04, March 30, 2018 (UTC)

 Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:44, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 April 2018

A karaoke version of the album has been released:

Region	Date	Format(s)	Label	Ref.
Various	November 10, 2017	CD digital download	Big Machine
Brazil	November 24, 2017	CD	Universal Music
Various	December 1, 2017	Streaming	Big Machine
United States	December 15, 2017	Vinyl
	March 9, 2018	Karaoke (digital download)

It is also available for streaming on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/1MHuZZrGT36cXLxAQ5cLP3

References

 Done Streaming is already noted under "Various" ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 09:07, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 April 2018

Is it possible to add the Swedish certification for reputation.

Region	Certification	Certified units/sales
Australia (ARIA)	Platinum	70,000^
Austria (IFPI Austria)	Platinum	15,000‡
New Zealand (RMNZ)	Gold	7,500‡
Sweden (GLF)	Gold	15,000‡
United Kingdom (BPI)	Gold	258,000
United States (RIAA)	3× Platinum	2,000,000
* Sales figures based on certification alone. ^ Shipments figures based on certification alone. ‡ Sales+streaming figures based on certification alone.

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 April 2018

The CD+G/DVD version of the karaoke version of the album is set to be released on May 18th, 2018.

Region	Date	Format(s)	Label	Ref.
Various	November 10, 2017	CD digital download	Big Machine
Brazil	November 24, 2017	CD	Universal Music
Various	December 1, 2017	Streaming	Big Machine
United States	December 15, 2017	Vinyl
	March 9, 2018	Karaoke (digital download)
	May 18, 2018	Karaoke (CD+G/DVD)
Various	March 9, 2018	Karaoke (streaming)

 Done Diff of edit. OhKayeSierra (talk) 07:08, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 April 2018

Is it possible to add the position of reputation on the 2017 Hungarian Albums year-end chart.

Year-end charts

Chart (2017)	Position
Australian Albums (ARIA)	3
Austrian Albums (Ö3 Austria)	55
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders)	57
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia)	165
Dutch Albums (MegaCharts)	90
German Albums (Offizielle Top 100)	60
Hungarian Albums (MAHASZ)	95
Japanese Albums (Oricon)	73
Mexican Albums (AMPROFON)	93
New Zealand Albums (RMNZ)	9
South Korean International Albums (Gaon)	51
Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade)	98
UK Albums (OCC)	15

References

Not yet a C-class article

This article about Taylor Swift's latest album contains no information about development, production, or recording dates. This makes it a 'start-class' article at best.~~ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 04:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2019

Worldwide sales of "Reputation" to be bumped up to 8.3 million sales from 4.5 million sales due to this 5.43.89.69 (talk) 22:01, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I checked WP:ALBUM/SOURCE and I didn't see this site on the list of reliable sources. Is there another source to back up this information? Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 17:06, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Add "The Last to be Released Under the Label"

Lover was her first long player in almost 13 years to be EVER premiered under a major label namely that of Republic Records. Throughout self-titled and this, they have been all been premiere under indie Big Machine.

Since it was her final one with them, the sentence after "November 10, 2017 by Big Machine Records" must need to be "the last to be released under the label." Same for aforementioned follow up with Republic Records "the first one to be released under the label."

Fin,

47.16.146.238 (talk) 19:11, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

 Done I've put it under the Release section. Shuipzv3 (talk) 15:36, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

A resource to integrate into the article

Taylor talking about the album on her iHeartMusic broadcast. Lots of good stuff here for anybody who wants to try and add pieces. I'm going to try. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 04:39, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Removing Consequence of Sound

Hello, I was reading the wikipedia page and saw the ratings and one thing popped out: Consequence of Sound: D.

I know it's a negative review and by all means I would like a fair article, but I've researched and Consequence of Sound has been extremely biased about the topic Taylor Swift, including a biased article and manipulated video of Taylor Swift alleged lip syncing in an SNL performance: https://consequenceofsound.net/2017/11/taylor-swift-was-very-obviously-job-lip-syncing-on-saturday-night-live-watch/. If COS cannot determine lip sync from real singing, they should not be allowed to be deemed reliable for reviews.

Furthermore, COS is not seen in any other albums including 25 (Adele album) or The Thrill of It All (Sam Smith album). The sole purpose of the review placed is to put dirt on the article. (probably placed by a hater)

P.S. to address your concern, I am not a Swift fan. I am a long standing editor of airline wikipedia pages.

--Hithere442 (talk) 07:08, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

You are using a fallacy to back up that theory, I don't know whether she performed with lip sync or not but that has nothing to do with a review. Besides that, the reviewer is not the same person that wrote the article of lip sync. Doesn't matter if you are a fan or not, however, you do sound like one "The sole purpose of the review placed is to put dirt on the article. (probably placed by a hater)".

-MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:04, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, seems like a weird request. At the end of the day, critics don't always agree on an album and you do get outliers, but removing them to make the score better is completely disingenuous. Yellowman94^{Talk•Contribs} 03:12, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Keep the COS review. Someone finally spoke the truth about Swift’s music. Thepeeplescourt (talk) 21:22, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Question about best selling album this year in the US

the album sold 1.216 million copies in the US during its first week, becoming Swift's fifth number-one album, and 2017's best-selling album in the country.

That means no other album has sold more than 1,216 million this year? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:191:5FA0:355C:1B8:1FC7:E2CB (talk) 16:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Correct. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 03:06, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Personnel

You might consider organizing personnel by instrument, separating her band (if there is one) from guest musicians, and musicians from technical personnel like producers and engineers. I find the rest (packaging design, photography, hair, makeup, manicurist) pointless to include, excessive detail for a page that has plenty.
–Vmavanti (talk) 02:02, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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Hi! Please check this, I have tried to arrange the personnels according to their credits and then track numbers. But as track 2 has many people involved, I have kept it separate. I shifted off-song credits below, and brought Taylor Swift on top.

• Taylor Swift – all vocals; backing vocals (tracks: 1, 4, 10); producer (tracks: 6, 9, 12–15); executive producer; packaging creative design
• Max Martin – producer, keyboards, programming (tracks: 1–5, 7, 8, 10, 11); recording (track 1); piano (tracks: 4, 5); backing vocals (track 4)
• Shellback – producer, keyboards, programming (tracks: 1–5, 7, 8, 11); drums (tracks: 2, 4, 10); bass (tracks: 2, 10); guitars (track 8)
• Ali Payami – producer, keyboards, programming (track 1)
• Jack Antonoff – producer, programming, instruments (tracks: 6, 9, 12–14); backing vocals (tracks: 6, 9, 14); piano, bass, guitar, synths (track 15)
• Oscar Görres – producer, keyboards, programming, piano (track 7)
• Oscar Holter – producer, keyboards, programming (track 11)
• Michael Ilbert – engineer (tracks: 2–5, 7, 8, 10, 11)
• Sam Holland – engineer (tracks: 2–5, 7, 8, 11)
• Laura Sisk – engineer (tracks: 6, 9, 12, 13, 15)
• Noah Passovoy – engineer (track 10)
• Cory Bice – assistant engineer (tracks: 2–5, 7, 10, 11)
• Jeremy Lertola – assistant engineer (tracks: 2, 4, 5, 7, 10, 11)
• Jon Sher – assistant engineer (track 10)
• Ed Sheeran – featured artist (track 2)
• Future – featured artist (track 2)
• Ilya Salmanzadeh – additional vocal production (track 2)
• Seth Ferkins – engineer (track 2)
• Sean Flora – assistant engineer (track 2)
• Peter Karlsson – assistant engineer (track 2)
• Mike Synphony – assistant engineer (track 2)
• Daniel Watson – assistant engineer (track 2)
• Victoria Parker – violins (tracks: 6, 9, 13); viola (track 13)
• Phillip A. Peterson – cellos (tracks: 6, 9, 13)
• Evan Smith – saxophones (track 6)
• James Reynolds – baby voice intro (track 8)
• Sean Hutchinson – drums (track 9)
• Serban Ghenea – mixing (all tracks)
• John Hanes – mix engineer (all tracks)
• Randy Merrill – mastering (all tracks)
• Mert and Marcus – photography
• Mat Maitland – photo creative direction
• Joseph Cassell – wardrobe stylist
• Isamaya French – makeup
• Lorraine Griffin – manicurist
• Paul Hanlon – hair
• Josh and Bethany Newman – packaging art direction
• Ben Fieker – packaging design
• Parker Foote – packaging design
• Austin Hale – packaging design

I also tried to raise this matter in some of my edit summaries sometime back. Please tell if something went wrong, there are some other arrangements in my mind too. I think it is hard to use personnels like we credits see after any film. Hope for your kind response, Thanks! M. Billoo 11:34, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Update Year End List in Critical Reception

Hello. The New York Times, Time Magazine, Complex Magazine, and Slant magazine released their year end lists of 2017 in the past week. Please update them. Thank you. - Gilmore21

The New York Times no. 5 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/arts/music/best-albums-2017.html

Time Magazine no. 9

http://time.com/5034987/best-albums-2017/

Complex Magazine no. 26 http://www.complex.com/music/best-albums-2017/2-chainz-pretty-girls-like-trap-music

Slant Magazine no. 17 https://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/the-25-best-albums-of-2017/P2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gilmore21 (talk • contribs) 09:54, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Billboard no. 6 https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/list/8062834/billboard-50-best-albums-of-2017-critics-picks

Update singles

Is it possible to update the singles section? It should better reflect the success of "...Ready For It?" Plus, the music video for "End Game" already has been released, and the article implies that it hasn't been. Also, MTV confirmed that "I Did Something Bad" will serve as the 5th single. Please update the article when you have a chance. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Igootin89 (talk • contribs) 02:54, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

References

Update Year-End List in Critical Reception Section

Hello. Please update the year end lists by critics. Reputation was on eighteen year end lists for 2017. The lists that are missing are:

Associated Press: 5

source| https://www.usnews.com/news/entertainment/articles/2017-12-13/the-associated-press-names-szas-ctrl-album-of-the-year

Billboard: 6

source|https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/list/8062834/billboard-50-best-albums-of-2017-critics-picks

MusicOMH: 16

source| https://www.musicomh.com/features/lists/musicomhs-top-50-albums-2017

Slant Magazine: 17

source| https://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/the-25-best-albums-of-2017

The Independent: 19

source| http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/best-albums-2017-loyle-carner-lorde-kendrick-lamar-taylor-swift-stormzy-j-hus-lists-a8071516.html

God Is In The Tv: 23

source| http://www.godisinthetvzine.co.uk/2017/12/13/giittvs-top-50-albums-2017/

Thrillist: 38

source| https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/best-albums-2017-new-music-releases

Spin: 48

source| https://www.spin.com/featured/50-best-albums-2017/

Variety: unranked

source| http://variety.com/2017/music/news/best-albums-2017-kendrick-lamar-lorde-taylor-swift-1202639664/

The Sydney Morning Herald: unranked

source| http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/going-farther-20-of-the-albums-that-mattered-most-in-2017-20171207-h00u0g.html

V Magazine: unranked

source| https://vmagazine.com/article/10-best-albums-2017/

Please update this list. Thank you so much! -Gilmore21 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gilmore21 (talk • contribs) 12:57, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Typos

'about "about..." should just be 1-about. Can't edit it, though. =\ Holdoffhunger (talk) 00:18, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Fixed, Richard Hendricks (talk) 00:24, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Holdoffhunger (talk) 02:14, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

New Year's Day & Gorgeous not singles

New Year's Day and Gorgeous were released as radio only promo singles and shouldn't be listed as singles. Delicate is referred as the fourth single here: [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tommyrobertson (talk • contribs) 14:24, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

See "Talking to the Moon" and "Count On Me" by Bruno Mars. Szymon7210 DovahDuck(talk) -- 8:34, 6 March 2018 (EST)

"Listen" by David Guetta was released as a single in Italy, but Wikipedia counts as a promotional single. I don't understand the criteria of who edits the Taylor Swift articles. Jardel ^talk 20:20, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

+Save as Draft by Katy Perry: "It was sent to adult contemporary radio in the United States on June 26, 2017 by Capitol Records, as the record's sole promotional single." Jardel ^talk 20:47, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, they do not check the comments before they think there is unanimity in the discussion. They prefer to keep the error. Jardel ^talk 20:47, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done JardelW, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument. Rockin' by The Weeknd and Chunky by Bruno Mars were tracks that released in a fashion similar to "Gorgeous" and yet Wikipedia counts them as singles. So what point are you trying to make? We have sources like Billboard which specifically refers to "New Year's Day" as being a single. Unless you have reliable sources that specifically state that "New Year's Day" and "Gorgeous" were only released as promotional singles than the two tracks should be continued to be refer as singles due to radio releases occurring after the release of the album. Promotional singles today are different than they were twenty years ago. In today's market they're released prior to the release of an album as digital downloads (No radio release) in order to generate more buzz around an album. That is part of the reason why we don't refer to "Call It What You Want" as single. Also a single does not need to receive promotion by an artist in order to be classified as a single. A point which was made by Snuggums in the talk page of Witness. He also stated that the reason why "Save as Draft" is referred to as a promotional single and not as a single is because there are no sources which refer to song as being a single, which we do have for "New Year's Day". As you can see here: (https://www.rollingstone.com/country/news/taylor-swifts-new-years-day-sent-to-country-radio-w512049), (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/country/8039304/taylor-swift-new-years-day-reputation-country-radio), (http://www.digitaljournal.com/entertainment/music/review-taylor-swift-glorious-on-new-year-s-day-country-single/article/511522) and (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8053895/taylor-swift-new-years-day-hot-country-songs-2013). DovahDuck(talk) -- 21:50, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Using all three of the examples here, a single is defined as a song released to contemporary hit radio, so it makes perfect sense for "Rockin'" and "Chunky" to be specificed as singles as both were released to pop radio. While released to pop radio in other countries to the US (the UK and Australia respectively), "Gorgeous" and "Getaway Car" also fit this criterion. However, "New Year's Day" was never released to contemporary radio in any country. In this way, it is similar to "Save as Draft", which actually has numerous sources citing it as a single. However, as it was only released to adult contemporary radio, it was resolved in the talk page to have been a promotional single. Therefore, while I disagree on the counts of "Gorgeous" and "Getaway Car" being removed as singles, I agree on the count of "New Year's Day".--Bhavik333 (talk) 23:48, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Year-end charts

Is it possible to add the position on the Japanese Albums year-end chart for 2017

link : https://entamedata.web.fc2.com/music/hit_music_a2017.html title : 年間ヒット音楽アルバム 2017年(平成29年) position : 73 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Francois1417 (talk • contribs) 14:00, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Ignoring controversy?

Why isn't there any mention of her controversy with Katy Perry and Kanye West? these two issues have gained wild media and public attention and played an important role in shaping the content of this album as she addresses those feuds in some of the songs. This article makes them seem like they don't exist?! Why not write about that? what is the reason? I really wanna know — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.240.53.18 (talk) 10:09, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 April 2018

Is it possible to add the position of reputation on the 2017 Hungarian Albums year-end chart.

Year-end charts

Chart (2017)	Position
Australian Albums (ARIA)	3
Austrian Albums (Ö3 Austria)	55
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Flanders)	57
Belgian Albums (Ultratop Wallonia)	165
Dutch Albums (MegaCharts)	90
German Albums (Offizielle Top 100)	60
Hungarian Albums (MAHASZ)	95
Japanese Albums (Oricon)	73
Mexican Albums (AMPROFON)	93
New Zealand Albums (RMNZ)	9
South Korean International Albums (Gaon)	51
Swiss Albums (Schweizer Hitparade)	98
UK Albums (OCC)	15

References

Billboard Magazine's list of radio singles from Reputation

According to this Billboard article, Reputation's US radio singles are "Look What You Made Me Do", "…Ready for It?", "End Game", and "Delicate". The article should be edited accordingly. -Richard Hendricks (talk) 17:12, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

I notify @DovahDuck: in the discussion above who may know this issue. Hddty. (talk) 08:08, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

@DovahDuck: As you reverted an edit, can you explain why "New Year's Day" and "Gorgeous" is still regarded as single although there are source from Billboard that says otherwise? --Hddty. (talk) 22:21, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

@Hddty.: "New Year's Day" and "Gorgeous" are referred to as singles because we have sources (including two from Billboard) that refer to them as being singles. A single doesn't have to receive major promotion or be released internationally to be a single. Although "Delicate" is the fourth international single from the album, it is not the fourth overall single due to "New Year's Day" and "Gorgeous" receiving limited releases. The information derived from the Billboard article mentioned by Richard Hendrick was most likely just a simple mistake on Billboard's part. Which they have a history of making, as we seen in last two weeks with their articles saying that "Lucid Dreams" and "I Like it" were set to go to number one on the Hot 100. Here are some that sources that support my point: (https://www.rollingstone.com/country/news/taylor-swifts-new-years-day-sent-to-country-radio-w512049), (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/country/8039304/taylor-swift-new-years-day-reputation-country-radio), (http://www.digitaljournal.com/entertainment/music/review-taylor-swift-glorious-on-new-year-s-day-country-single/article/511522) and (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8053895/taylor-swift-new-years-day-hot-country-songs-2013). Enjoy the rest of your day. DovahDuck(talk) -- 23:43, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Sales source

Is « Hits Daily Double » a reliable source ? According to them, reputation sold 8.3 million Srtgoren (talk) 12:36, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Detailed updating on the track listing for the Japanese DVD

Japanese Limited Edition Bonus DVD

No.	Title	Length
1.	"Look What You Made Me Do (Music Video)"	4:17
2.	"Look What You Made Me Do (Lyric Video)"	3:36
3.	"Look What You Made Me Do (The Birdcage / Behind the Scenes)"	1:12
4.	"Look What You Made Me Do (The Car Crash / Behind the Scenes)"	0:54
5.	"Look What You Made Me Do (The Dance / Behind the Scenes)"	1:39
6.	"Look What You Made Me Do (The Graveyard / Behind the Scenes)"	1:15
7.	"Look What You Made Me Do (Looks / Behind the Scenes)"	2:15
8.	"Look What You Made Me Do (The Montage / Behind the Scenes)"	1:33
9.	"Look What You Made Me Do (Queen of Snakes / Behind the Scenes)"	1:08
10.	"Look What You Made Me Do (Steam Co. / Behind the Scenes)"	1:06
11.	"Look What You Made Me Do (Taylor Mountain / Behind the Scenes)"	2:48
12.	"Look What You Made Me Do (Zombie Transformation / Behind the Scenes)"	1:14
Total length:		22:54

(Ripp3ify (talk) 05:43, 31 October 2018 (UTC))

References

Certifications - IFPI Global Top 10 Albums of 2017 PDF

Hi, i want to talk about some edits on the certifications section. Someone is confusing the album sales that appear on the article:

"Global Top 10 Albums of 2017" (PDF). IFPI Global Music Report 2018. International Federation of the Phonographic Industry. p. 9. Retrieved April 25, 2018.

(Reference 2 in this talk and 179 currently on the main article).

In the PDF, in page 9 https://www.ifpi.org/downloads/GMR2018.pdf we can see in section "GLOBAL TOP 10 ALBUMS OF 2017" that Reputation has 4.5M Global total album units.

But sometimes, in the main article we can see this reference or another reference used to support other figures in the same place. 8,300,000 albums is one of these numbers. One of the sources of the 8.3M amount is Hits Daily Double. Hits Daily Double article posted Wednesday, September 12, 2018 is under the section "Rumor Mill" so is not verifiable information. And the 8.3M amount is not a verifiable amount because the graphic inside the article is done with the rumor information http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=313324

The IFPI reference is 4.5 Millions and we should keep it that way. Paladium (talk) 21:03, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

References

Year-end charts 2018

Is it possible to correct the position on the UK albums year-end 2018? Because the album is listed number 1 but when you click on the source, the album is actually number 37. Link: https://www.officialcharts.com/charts/end-of-year-artist-albums-chart 79.93.240.94 (talk) 18:52, 12 April 2019 (UTC) rollingwaves (talk) 18:51, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request for Japan chart ranking

The album is listed as the best-selling album of 2017 in Japan, which is categorically false. The first link sourced indicated it was the 82nd best-selling album of the year in Japan on the Billboard charts, while the second link indicates it was the 73rd best-selling album on the Oricon charts.

The weekly Oricon position is no longer verifiable, as the link is dead and cannot be access by the Wayback Machine. As such, I propose that information be removed until a source can be found. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.194.69.218 (talk) 23:16, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Album cover

The cover art has been criticized by Billboard and inspired countless memes upon its release.

References

The position of Gorgeous, New Year's Day and Getaway Car as singles.

• Gorgeous was released a promotional song from the album accompanied by a LYRIC video. It was serviced only a radio single in the UK and it's not an official international single. • New Year's Day was released only to American country radio as a radio single. It's neither has a music video nor a lyric video. It's not single. • Getaway Car does neither have a music video or a lyric video. It was serviced as a radio single to Australian and New Zealand radio stations to promote her Reputation stadium tour there. It is not an official international single.

Only 4 singles were released from the album, all of which have music videos: Look what you made me do, ...Ready for it?, End Game and Delicate. BawinV (talk) 07:35, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Per multiple discussions on various different talk pages, a song does not need to have a music video in order to be classified as a single. The three you listed here are radio singles, NOT promotional singles. Also, a song does not need an international release to be a single. See "Hello Kitty" by Avril Lavigne, which is a Japan-only single (even though it has a music video). Happy editing. Calebh12 (talk) 09:15, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

They were all released to at least one radio format so they are all singles. It doesn’t matter if it was in the Us nor does it matter if they were was a music video. Music videos and singles are not the same thing. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 19:40, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Make a page for “Don’t Blame Me”

Don’t Blame Me is almost gold in the US and I have enough references to make a page for it so can someone remove the redirect so I can create the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annaoue (talk • contribs) 21:16, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

The song fails to chart and doesn't receive enough coverage, thus failing WP:NSONGS. You can create a new page for the song as long as it satisfies the criteria of notability. If it fails to do so, it will be deleted and redirected to this page of its parent album. HĐ (talk) 11:20, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Can you please delete the redirect from Don’t Blame Me (Taylor Swift song)? I don’t know how to do that Annaoue (talk) 06:07, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

The procedure is to use Draft:Don't Blame Me (Taylor Swift song) to draft your article and have an admin move it later. The redirect does not meet deletion criteria until an article for the song is created elsewhere. Personally I don’t believe the song needs an article.—NØ 15:34, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Sure, just let me know when you are ready. GetawayDress (talk) 19:51, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Next title

The next title is currently her 2019 album Lover. However, on Taylor Swift discography you will see that the EP Spotify Singles (which does not have an article) was released before Lover. Therefore; the I think that the next title should be changed to Spotify Singles, despite the EP not having its own article on Wikipedia. On a side note, I don't know why the following references are shown here, I didn't add them. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 19:50, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

A release that's only available on a single platform, while part of the discography, does not count in my mind as an EP/album release. Based on the editing history, it's also not counting in other people's minds. Richard Hendricks (talk) 04:56, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

That is fair, but you can see that Spotify Singles is in her discography as an EP, so if it's there, shouldn't it be here? And even if we aren't including Spotify Singles in the chronology, the next title still isn't Lover. The compilation album Reputation Stadium Tour Surprise Song Playlist is on multiple services and was released before Lover. It's being discussed at the Lover talk page if Reputation Stadium Tour Surprise Song Playlist should be changed as the previous title. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 13:11, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Chronology

There have been disagreements on whether to include the EP Spotify Singles (and other releases that don't have articles on Wikipedia) in the chronology or not. I want to have further discussion to reach a consensus. My opinion is to omit the inclusion of non-wiki releases, based on a reader's perspective as well as the integrity of the chronology.

In the Template:Infobox album guideline: "In general, all albums and EPs should be placed in a single, chronological chain in order of release date." In my opinion, this doesn't necessarily mean that the chronology should include all releases of an artist, but rather, all albums and EPs articles should have a concise, integrated chronology. Furthermore, "In general" doesn't mean "in all cases", thus certain exceptions should be appropriate.

Releases do not necessarily have to have a corresponding article on Wikipedia, but in the case of popular stars like Taylor Swift, I, as a reader, don't want the chronology to be interrupted by a non-wiki release (the chronology is interrupted by Spotify Singles, which points to nowhere + virtually all artists, indie or popular, have recorded an exclusive EP for Spotify with the exact same title). I don't think this helps much, and if I want to see all releases of Swift, I could just visit Taylor Swift discography instead.

I want to hear especially from CountyCountry (and other editors as well) before proceeding :) HĐ (talk) 02:19, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Well, a chronology should include all releases. Not having a page on Wikipedia or not being notable enough doesn't exclude it from the chronology, even if the artist is popular or not. The popularity of the artist has nothing to do with this. A chronology is just a timeline. Not being notable is certainly not one of the exceptions. If you exclude an album or an EP release from a chronology, is it a chronology? No. A chronology should not have any skips.

Secondly, the chronology is not for navigation, but it is used to show what was released before and after. Putting Reputation Stadium Tour Surprise Song Playlist is misleading to the reader because it is not the next release, Spotify Singles is.

There has already been a discussion on this: Please change the guideline for chronology to exclude releases without articles in favor of release with articles. I suggest you give it a read. CountyCountry (talk) 02:53, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Singles review

I don’t know where people find information that most of those songs listed as singles were actual singles, when “Delicate“ was mentioned as the fourth single from Reputation by multiple reliable sources. “Gorgeous” was released as a promo single before the album release and “New Year’s Day” being serviced to radio does not make it a single. Check these sources calling “Delicate” the fourth single.

http://www.mtv.com/news/3068202/taylor-swift-delicate-video-things-we-want/

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8464159/taylor-swift-delicate-reputation-biggest-radio-hit

https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/ct-taylor-swift-debuts-delicate-music-video-20180312-story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/03/11/taylor-swift-has-disappeared-from-public-view-her-delicate-music-video-may-hint-at-why/

https://twitter.com/officialcharts/status/973227675673341952?s=21 Pedro Henrique Coelho (talk) 01:19, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

I completely agree with you. “New Year’s Day”, “Gorgeous” and “Getaway Car” are most definitely not singles. They only received radio plays, which, as per WP:SINGLE?, does not count as solely reason to list a song as a single. “reputation” had only four singles. This was done seemingly to match the previous albums’ single counts. — Artmanha (talk) 03:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Totally agree. “Delicate” was the final single and was defined as the fourth single by multiple sources, this whole page is completely wrong. These editors don’t understand that being serviced to radio doesn’t make a song an official single. What pisses me off is that no one that controls this page mind to answer this review, but if I try to edit the info box to put the correct information there, they’ll come as fast as they can to change it back. Newanders22 (talk) 05:28, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Artmanha: @Newanders22: @Pedro Henrique Coelho: Hi, please keep in mind that this article represents singles released worldwide, not just in the States. "Gorgeous" was a UK single, and "Getaway Car" was an Australian single. "New Year's Day" was sent to US country radio, so that qualifies its single release as well. I don't understand why you get the idea that "this was done seemingly to match the previous albums' single counts", and that is completely false. HĐ (talk) 03:55, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Singles (?)

Discussion

I understand that "Gorgeous" and "Getaway Car" were released to radio in the U.K. and Australia/NZ, respectively, but does that make them, by any chance, official singles? Take "The Archer", for example: it was released to Australian radio, but it is categorized as a promotional single. I am thinking of re-categorizing "Gorgeous" and "Getaway Car" as promo singles, but any thoughts on this? Pinging @BawinV: and @Doggy54321:, two active members of the Taylor Swift WikiProject, HĐ (talk) 03:24, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

@HĐ: thank you for the ping. Saying the songs should be promo singles is like saying "No Body, No Crime" should be promo as well, it only got sent to radio. But, radio push is one of the criteria for a single. The reason "The Archer" is a promo single despite being released in Australia is simple. The Music Network (Australian radio) is an unreliable source. From what I have seen at Sour Candy (Lady Gaga and Blackpink song) vs 34+35, I can make an educated guess that TMN shouldn’t be the only source for radio. If the song is only being pushed by TMN, it’s not a single, per "Sour Candy". If the song is being pushed by TMN as well as other national radio, it’s a single, per "34+35". But then there’s also OMG What's Happening, which is a single with only a TMN radio push. For now, I think it’s best to leave the articles as they are, and open a RfC at either WT:RS or WT:SONG to discus the reliability of TMN. It’s been debated about for ages now, it’s time we get clear consensus. Anyways, both the examples you provided are still 100% singles, the UK and NZ are more than reliable for radio. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 03:50, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't think TMN is necessarily unreliable, given that it is a music magazine (that can be compared to, say, America's MusicRow). Either way, radio push does not necessarily equate to single release, given that "Shake It Off" was played on country radio despite not being released officially in the country format [2]. I may start a discussion on TMN at WP:RSN, but for the referencing of "Gorgeous", I don't think the BBC Radio 1 speaks much volume... (there is no indication on the site that the songs being played are single releases). HĐ (talk) 03:55, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the clarification. For the "Gorgeous" referencing, River (Eminem song) was also included on that very list, and it still stands in the release history section. Granted, the single also has another radio push, but the UK part is there. Especially considering they were both placed on the "a-side", it leads me to believe they were both pushed, even though that’s WP:OR. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 04:17, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah this kind of stuff gets puzzling especially when radio releases are not clearly stated... I'll wait for more comments then, HĐ (talk) 04:25, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Agreed. Honestly, I feel like we need community consensus for all radio now, to determine if they push songs as singles or just play them and if they are reliable or not, because it it super confusing otherwise. Maybe in the end, a page similar to WP:CHART can be created, but it can detail which radio stations are reliable. It would be really helpful. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 04:29, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

@HĐ: Oh absolutely. This thing has been bugging me right from the beginning; but I couldn't do much since consensuses on similar topics (Katy Perry and Lady Gaga singles) were like "sent to a radio format by the label" equals "a single". I dropped arguing about this and just went with what other editors agreed upon. And yes, I agree with your opinion word by word. I'd be down for "Getaway Car" etc to be turned into promo singles. I'd like to hear out other editors, however. BawinV (talk) 10:41, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Though we have not achieved an overall consensus for singles (the criteria for singles are rather arbitrary IMO), we can safely say that "Getaway Car" and "Gorgeous" are promo singles, as indicated at Template:Infobox_album#Template:Singles: ...such as those supplied to radio stations and music publications, which are often marked as "Promo copy" or "Promotional".; given that these two songs had a limited release in select countries. For "New Year's Day", however, as Billboard explicitly said that it was a country radio single, it is a different case. HĐ (talk) 10:59, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

I'd like to add my two cents that radio push may prove that the song is a single, only if it comes from the record label's briefings (i.e. Republic Records/Universal), or All Access (which monitors radio formats all over America -- it claimed to be the web's largest radio and music industry community), or Billboard/Rolling Stone. Often times, however, radio releases especially limited ones (like "Getaway Car" or "Gorgeous"--without official statements from record labels/or only limited to create a buzz for tours/albums) are promo releases and not official releases. HĐ (talk) 12:52, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

That all makes sense. HĐ I agree with your comment about "Getaway Car" and "Gorgeous" being promo singles, since they didn’t get a music video or a separate release from the album, and they didn’t exactly get pushed to radio. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 13:02, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments, both of you. Shall we implement the change to the articles now? HĐ (talk) 13:03, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

You take one, I take one? Remember to adjust pages after (like the affected chronology, the discography page etc). D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 13:09, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

@HĐ: @Doggy54321: @BawinV: First I would just like to say that I don't believe a discussion between 3 people is enough consensus to change two singles from singles to promo singles. Do you even have a source listing them as a "promo single"? I agree that being added to BBC Radio doesn't necessarily mean it's being released to all stations as a single, but we have an Offical announcement from Universal that "Getaway Car" was an official single in Australia. — Status (talk · contribs) 14:14, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

@Status: That tweet says Reputation Stadium Tour coming to OZ on October 19th, implying that GC was a promotional single promoting the Australian/NZ part of the tour. I could be wrong, though. D💘ggy54321 ^(xoxo😘) 14:18, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

@Doggy54321: All singles are used to promote something. That's literally their purpose. Her bio from UMG Australia also states Taylor’s latest single Getaway Car (in New Zealand and Australia). It has clearly been called by the label itself a single, but only in Australia/NZ. There's no implication or source here that it was a promo single. Her label has said on two occasions it's a single in AUS/NZ only. "New Year's Day" was a US country radio single, "Getaway Car" was a AUS/NZ single. — Status (talk · contribs) 14:22, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I believe there is a video of Swift telling her fans that "Getaway Car" was not a single (I don't remember the link though...). I could agree with Universal's announcement on the single's exclusive release in NZ/Australia, though would it make "The Archer" an Australia-only single as well ([3])? "Gorgeous" was also mentioned by Universal Music Austria as a single upon its initial release ([4]), but... I don't know. HĐ (talk) 16:29, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

There was literally a radio advertisement that featured Taylor Swift telling her fans to check out her new single "Getaway Car". Let me see if I can find it. DovahDuck (talk) 17:52, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Here is the link: https://www.facebook.com/SnakelorSwift13/videos/2015364231847791/ DovahDuck (talk) 17:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Unreliable source. D💘ggy54321 ^(xoxo😘) 17:58, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree that socal media is an unreliable source however that is clearly Swift speaking and also there are various sources that mention "Getaway Car" as a single. This discussion has occurred various times over the last years and no one has yet to be able to bring an actual strong piece of evidence as to why the song isn't a single. DovahDuck (talk) 18:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

"Gorgeous" is debatable however due to Wikipedians not having a general consensus as to whether an add to a BBC playlist is a radio add date or not. "Getaway Car" has overwhelming evidence though showing that it is an official single (with artist herself calling it so in radio advertising) and thus should be reinstated. Commercial performance and how much promotion a single has received does not factor into whether it was a single or not. Otherwise many rhythmic radio single releases in the US would all not be actual single releases. The arguments presented above also show a clear bias towards US releases which should not be seen as the only valid single releases. DovahDuck (talk) 18:12, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Not to go on to mention other stuff on this site but various oceanic releases like "Count On Me" and "Chunky" are regarded as single by this site and have seen their pages become good music articles. They showcase about the same amount of evidence as "Getaway Car" for being single releases. Over the years I've seen on Twitter and on this site attempts to denote "Getaway Car", "New Year's Day", and "Gorgeous" as singles due to mobilization by fans due to its commercial performance, which is why I'm always a little skeptical when it comes to these debates. Anyway, to end off my argument for now, various editors here (or at least other editors in the past) have showcased a clear bias towards the artist and US top 40 releases when there should be an objective point of view presented in the article based on the sources we've compiled, which say that these songs are singles. As I mentioned before, "Gorgeous" is debatable due to the BBC playlist situation, however us editors that primarily focus on music articles should come to an overall consensus on this on the Wikiprojects for songs and albums. DovahDuck (talk) 18:25, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan:, as someone whose helped write good album and song articles, and has written on territory specific releases in the past, what are your thoughts on this matter? If you got time to add on the subject. DovahDuck (talk) 18:34, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

There is clearly a lot of debate over what qualifies as a single vs. promo single nowadays. I don't think we should be using infobox recommendations as official guidelines; an actual wikiproject guideline should be created. I feel people are interpreting pseudo-guidelines too strictly and don't seem to understand that not every single an artist releases is supposed to receive a massive push across every format in every country. If it's only released in one country, that doesn't make it less of a single. I agree that there is a US bias—Billboard should not be treated as gospel. It is American; I doubt they will refer to a song as a single if it was only released in Italy, for example. If Billboard doesn't refer to a song as a single, that doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't elsewhere. WP:SINGLE? should be completely redone with lots of input and made into a guideline. Heartfox (talk) 18:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm in complete agreeance with you on this matter @Heartfox:, its crazy how long these debates on whether a song is a single or not can go. Efforts should be made into a making a clear, solid, and easy-to-follow guideline on what a single release is according to this site. DovahDuck (talk) 18:53, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

WP:SINGLE? is an essay, so I am dubious about whether it is usable as a guideline. I do, however, find it useful in certain ways to distinguish between "promo singles" and official singles, given that the boundary between these two has blurred. Regarding the single status of "Gorgeous" and "Getaway Car", should we conduct a vote, given that this discussion makes it rather hard to gather a consensus? HĐ (talk) 03:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

No I'm saying it should be edited (redone) or something new could be created and then eventually made into a guideline. I'm not referring to using it here, and wouldn't. Heartfox (talk) 05:28, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

@DovahDuck: let me thank you for letting me know of this discussion and to all the other users here are my two cents on this topic. We need to acknowledge some facts regarding singles and promotional single releases. Since streaming began to be added to the charts there isn't a "traditional" single release. A couple of years ago a song would go to radio and made available for download, promo only available for download, minimal airplay if any and barely made the charts. Streaming made the songs more available to users, wheter they are official or just promo, charting everywhere. The Music Network is a reliable source, if a song is released even as promo single it is available to go for adds in any radio. Tradionaly, radios would only add the official single but nothing is preventing them from playing or adding any song, they need to compete with other radios and streaming services.

Sometimes when an album by an "relevant" artist is released some radios jump on a bunch of songs and that doesn't make them singles. On the other hand, if a song like "Getaway Car" had an official annoucement from the label calling it a single despite being only in Aus/NZ and actually it coincidede with the tour, that's 100% normal and it is a single. In the end of the day singles are used to promote something. It could be a new release, the artist, why not the tour? Regional releases are still a thing despite the fact that anyone can listen to anything at any given time, anywhere.

All in all, let me just speak my mind regarding something, most publications that are consider reliable such as Billboard, RS and others have no idea of what they are talking about when they use the word "single" they usuualy use it as a replaceble of "song". Example given, "Versace on the Floor" it was first issued as a promo single by the label and I had to "fight" some users because of that as most publications called it "new single" 1, there are others. However, I caught a lucky break: "It looked like the 31-year-old was going with ’90s-inspired ballad “Versace On The Floor” for a while there (he has already performed the sexy track live and I’ve heard it on the radio), but he seems to have had a change of heart. Social media was buzzing over the weekend when All Access revealed that “That’s What I Like” was being sent to top 40 later this month — a sure sign that it’s the next official cut." - source 3. See here? Played on the radio, means nothing it could have been on TMN site that week, it wasn't a thing back then. It was eventually released as an official single on June 2017. So listen to what the labels say, they know better than any publications. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:17, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

@HĐ, Doggy54321, Status, BawinV, DovahDuck, and MarioSoulTruthFan: I have started an essay at WP:SINGLESCRIT based on my experiences with the outcomes of discussions like these. I hope it can eventually be transformed into a guideline of sorts with your input and be helpful to others. Please feel free to edit it/start discussions on the talk page :) Heartfox (talk) 08:18, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Votes

Given that there is a divide between naysayers and yaysayers of whether "Getaway Car" and "Gorgeous" was a single, I hope those who have contributed to the discussion can state their vote (either "promo" or "single") here. The purpose of this poll is to facilitate the consensus, thus it will be based on rationale rather than popular votes. Pinging @BawinV: @Doggy54321: @Status: @Heartfox: @DovahDuck: HĐ (talk) 03:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Getaway Car

• Single -- I initially disproved that the song was released on the eve of Swift's Aus tour in 2018, but looking back at Universal Music's announcement, I believe it is qualified as a single limited to AUS/NZ. HĐ (talk) 03:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• I don't want to give into "voting" as we !vote instead and make consensus based on the comments said in the !votes, but "Getaway Car" looks like a single as we have multiple refs that call it a single. D💘ggy54321 ^(xoxo😘) 03:58, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

• I agree that voting does not decide anything. I just wanted to set up a poll to make it easier to achieve a consensus. HĐ (talk) 04:28, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

• Single -- Sources back up that it's a single, and anecdotally as an Australian I remember hearing this song on radio around the time of the Rep tour (not a source, but just what I remember) --LivelyRatification (talk) 04:05, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• Single -- Voting this to be referred to as a single according to previous discussion. Although us editors in Wikipedia definitely to form a consensus on what the modern definition of a single and promotional single are, so that future editing can be made easier. DovahDuck (talk) 04:05, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• Single -- the label itself refers to it as a single. I think that's as authoritative as it gets. Heartfox (talk) 05:28, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• Single -- Universal calls it a single, I wasn't aware of that before. BawinV (talk) 08:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• Single -- label said so. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 11:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

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• Promo -- I stay with my previous claim that the BBC is not strong enough a source to indicate a single release. HĐ (talk) 03:55, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• Once again, I don't want to give into "voting", but this is definitely a promo single as BBC did not push the song to radio. D💘ggy54321 ^(xoxo😘) 03:58, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• I'm going to do some research on how BBC playlisting works and look at some previous discussions regarding UK radio singles before I make a decision for this track. I should have a personal consensus by the time monday comes rolling around. DovahDuck (talk) 04:10, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• Promo based on digital release in advance of the album only -- I think I remember there was a controversy where a Madonna single was not being picked up to play on BBC radio or something because the BBC people who decide whether something gets added thought it would not appeal to their audience (found it: Radio 1 Madonna controversy). For UK radio (BBC) it's their "playlist committee" that decides to add a song to the playlist—not the label. So I would not treat it the same as All Access (US) which gets release dates from labels, or EarOne (Italy) where names from people at the record label literally write a thing saying it's being released to radio. TMN (Australia) remains blurred IMO. But it's clearly different for UK. I would say BBC Radio playlist add dates are not proof of a single, or even a promotional single—people adding a song to a playlist doesn't indicate a release of any kind. I think this piece from The Guardian is also useful. Heartfox (talk) 05:28, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

• Thank you for the insightful bit on BBC Radio 1, Heartfox. If a radio station picks what songs to play at their discretion, then I am pretty sure it is not equivalent to a label's official release, and thus does not make it a single. Which is also to say that a radio spin does not automatically make a song a single. For instance, "Stay Beautiful", a song off Swift's 2006 studio album, was never a single despite it being apparently played on Radio Disney back in the day. HĐ (talk) 07:28, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

• Promo -- as per the above comments of Doggy and HĐ. BawinV (talk) 08:33, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• Promo -- as per research and previous discussion. DovahDuck (talk) 04:00, 15 February 2021 (UTC)