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Name

Is Restoration the best English version of the name? I have seen others such as Awakening and Renaissance.--Batmacumba (talk) 10:40, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not sensible that the article was moved without discussing this. We should have waited for an official translation.--Batmacumba (talk) 00:29, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see here Iceland Review translates it to Revival: http://icelandreview.com/news/2016/06/08/pirate-party-largest-vidreisn-gaining-ground.--Batmacumba (talk) 21:19, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The name is presumably borrowed from "viðreisnarstjórn" which has been translated to both "restoration government" and "reconstruction government" in literature. I doubt that all the participating parties in 2013 had official English names; someone just took the liberty. Brilliantwiki2 (talk) 10:08, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There were official names for the main parties and most of the small - others are hardly ever mentioned in English, making it less important what they are called (though some of the made up names are a little too "creative"). As you can see some extremely small parties do have official English names: http://althydufylkingin.blogspot.dk/p/program-of-peoples-front-of-iceland-in.html. Others, like Dawn, were obvious translations with no real alternatives. Viðreisn is an important party with potential and it is mentioned in English texts, making it logical to simply call it Viðreisn until they choose a name.--Batmacumba (talk) 14:03, 1 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

They say "The Reform Party" on their English website: [1].JudgeGregg (talk) 20:06, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Currently the article doesn't match the title. Is it the Reform Party or the Liberal Reform Party? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Margretarson (talk • contribs) 17:25, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Issues and ideology

The party splitting from IP over "foreign policy" and "free trade" is much too imprecise. The EU question seems to have been decisive. What "free trade" issues are we talking about? Their platform is fairly moderate and centrist and SDA right wingers seems attracted by the party so the moderate/centrist profil should probably be emphasized. Its also a fairly Green party (for a centre-right party).--Batmacumba (talk) 10:40, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Foundation

While they have existed as a network/proto-party since June 2014 they held their founding congress on 24 May 2016. Which date should we go by?--Batmacumba (talk) 12:24, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 28 June 2016

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) --QEDK (T ☕ C) 18:50, 5 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It was proposed in this section that Reform Party (Iceland) be renamed and moved to Viðreisn.

The discussion has been closed, and the result will be found in the closer's comment.

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Reconstruction (Iceland) → Viðreisn – The page was moved unilaterally to an unofficial name in a "bold move" without prior discussion. There are several possible translations of Viðreisn and little tradition in Iceland for translating party names directly into English, Icelandic parties rather preferring options that appear more "conventional" in English. The party will decide an official English name within a few months and it is more sensible and less confusing to simply retain the Icelandic name until they do so. There is no rush. Batmacumba (talk) 10:07, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see here Iceland Review translates it to Revival: http://icelandreview.com/news/2016/06/08/pirate-party-largest-vidreisn-gaining-ground. There simply isn't consensus, so sticking with Viðreisn would be the sensible thing to do, rather than just picking a name.--Batmacumba (talk) 21:23, 28 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The name Viðreisn fits the criteria of Recognizability. It is the title that someone familiar with the subject area (ie. Icelandic politics) will recognize. Reconstruction is an unknown translation not used by anybody else. It therefore also fits the criteria of Naturalness – The title is the one that readers are likely to look or search for if interested in the topic and that "editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles". As there is no common or agreed name for the party in English it is natural to use the Icelandic title.--Batmacumba (talk) 00:47, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Batmacumba that the page should opt for 'Viðreisn' until the party announces an official English name (which should happen shortly if the party hasn't already). Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:10, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support As far as I can see, even English language publications refer to the party as Viðreisn.[2][3][4][5]. Also worth noting that neither of the sources that provide a translation give it the title as "Reconstruction". In fact I can't find a single source that calls it Reconstruction, which suggests the current title is WP:OR. Even if this RM ends up as no consensus, the article should be moved back to the original title, which was moved without an RM. Number 5 7 22:28, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support As the original mover of the page, I now recognize the action I took, while meant to help for non-Icelandic speakers who wouldn't be able to read Viðreisn, is not having that effect. Nevermore27 (talk) 23:03, 2 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The Reform Party

An anonymous user claims that the official English name is the Reform Party and links to their webpage, but I can not find the info. Can anyone else point to where on Vidreisns webpage does it say that their official name in English is the Reform Party?--Batmacumba (talk) 13:09, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Batmancumba: Yes, it says this in the text on the picture in the middle of the main page. Hidden in plain sight, took me a little while to locate it myself. :) JudgeGregg (talk) 20:03, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see it too. You have refresh the link though. I think it's time to re-name this page, if that's their official English name. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 20:08, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, I have moved it. No reason to cite random newspaper articles about the name, so I have deleted those. --Batmacumba (talk) 21:02, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not quite happy with the move. Although https://www.vidreisn.is/en says "Welcome to Viðreisn - The Reform Party", this looks rather like a slogan than an "official English name", as they consistently refer to their party as "Viðreisn" in the English text on the same page, e.g. "What is Viðreisn? A new, liberal political party in Iceland (...) Viðreisn relies on donations from individuals and companies." Gestumblindi (talk) 02:46, 13 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point, but the press seems to have picked up on it.--Batmacumba (talk) 03:13, 13 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2 December 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru (talk) 15:25, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reform Party (Iceland, 2016) → Reform Party (Iceland) – It's unclear why the year needed to be placed in the title of the article, since there hasn't been a significant Reform Party in Iceland in the past. The Requested Move destination in fact redirects to this page. Nevermore27 (talk) 05:09, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support It's a political party, not a one-time event or a film. JudgeGregg (talk) 17:02, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It customary to use a year to differentiate between parties with the same name, so that is a bogus argument.--Batmacumba (talk) 01:41, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My bad, I should've just written "per nomination". JudgeGregg (talk) 14:07, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 23:46, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I Just put in the year to be able to move it without the help of an admin. Back then Reform Party (Iceland) linked to another party (founded in 2008). The link has been changed, but as you can see here: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Reform_Party it was a party founded in 2008 (can not remember is name, but it was an alternative name for a party with another official name). No reason to make a formal discussion, just move it.--Batmacumba (talk) 01:41, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well yes, there is a need to make a "formal discussion", because we can't move it unilaterally. Nevermore27 (talk) 02:01, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
From what I could find, https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Reform_Party_(Iceland)&redirect=no used to have an article about another party indeed, but that article was later moved to "Move Forward Party" which was said to be a more accurate translation of the Icelandic name "Framfaraflokkurinn". They changed their name from Framfaraflokkurinn to Sturla Jonsson since https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Sturla_J%C3%B3nsson and the party is universally mentioned on Wikipedia by that new name or the old "Move Forward Party", except for in this list: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Reform_Party. That 2008 party doesn't seem to have seen enough traction to appear in English-speaking media. So, no other parties in Iceland went by this name officially, I'd say we go ahead and move the article. JudgeGregg (talk) 14:24, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Centre or Centre-Right

There appears to be disagreement over whether the party is centre or centre-right. From what I've seen and from even the first reference, it appears to be centre but it was recently changed to centre-right for seemingly no reason. I'm changing it to centre but maybe someone has a good justification as to why it should change to centre-right.--Cake8325 (talk) 20:03, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think its because its obvious for people following Icelandic politics via local media that the party is centre-right, whereas the media call it centrist. During the government formation the LG deputy chairman claimed Vidreisn was to the right of IP. We need a good source from a political scientist or other expert, so we do not have to rely on media sources.--Batmacumba (talk) 20:33, 29 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 November 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved back to Viðreisn. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:42, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reform Party (Iceland) → Liberal Reform Party (Iceland) – Correct translation of the party's name. Source, see https://vidreisn.is/en/+Vidreisn (talk) 17:50, 13 November 2022 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). — Amakuru (talk) 18:47, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

- Noting some previous discussion regarding the article name at Talk:Reform_Party_(Iceland), so WP:PCM may apply. -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:07, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Viðreisn. Looking back at the history, there was an RM in June 2016 which affirmed the original title Viðreisn, but then it was in November 2016 moved without discussion to Reform Party (Iceland, 2016). Another RM in December of that year (which I closed) decided to remove the 2016 from the title, but declined to address the original issue of whether it should have an English name at all, something that consensus has never shown. The party's English language webpage uses the Icelandic name throughout, as do other English sources such as [6]. I don't think any translated title is the WP:COMMONNAME here. — Amakuru (talk) 18:52, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is true that the party's English language webpage uses the Icelandic name throughout, but it does refer to the Liberal Reform Party and not only the Reform Party. The Icelandic Parliament also uses the english version "Liberal Reform Party". Vidreisn (talk) 19:20, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support Viðreisn per Amakuru. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:09, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Viðreisn per Amakuru. As the official english version of the party is "The Liberal Reform Party". If you'd like, I can use it more on the official english version of the website --Vidreisn (talk) 21:19, 16 November 2022 (UTC))[reply]
Move to Viðreisn. WP:USEENGLISH says use terms commonly used in English sources, to paraphrase, which is the Icelandic name. Shwcz (talk) 14:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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