Talk:Red pill and blue pill

Total Recall

My edit: The 1990 film Total Recall has a scene where doctor Edgemar (a villain, who works for the company "Rekall", played by Roy Brocksmith), held at gunpoint by Quaid (the hero, played by Arnold Schwarzenegger), tries to convince the latter to take a red pill : -if Quaid swallows the red pill right now in what Edgemar warns is nothing but a fantasy, he'll wake up from the artificial dream induced by Rekall's device, with no after effects whatsoever, his mental health intact. -refusing to do so and killing the doctor would make the "walls of reality crash down" on Quaid trapping him in a state of "permanent psychosis" with "no one to guide him out", after which there would be no other choice than to have him lobotomized. Edgemar predicts what the fantasies will consist of before the inevitable: first the hero will become a rebel leader then suddenly best friends with Cohaagen (Mars' dictator, the movie's main villain), followed by wild dreams of alien civilizations "as requested" by Quaid initially prior to enter the Rekall apparatus. Quaid pretends to take the pill but doesn't swallow, Edgemar notices it but at the same time starts to sweat profusely thus showing fear in a situation he himself presented as being nothing but a dream, which leads the hero to believe he's being fooled. Quaid finally shoots Edgemar point-blank in the forehead and spits the red pill in his face.

Member MrOllie ( https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:MrOllie ), who deleted my edit, claims it's an "over detailed account" of the pill scene from Total Recall (1990), yet the article should have more than a short sentence coming from this movie which did more than inspire the creators of the The Matrix (1999) 9 years later. It's not just a detail or two, the whole context is necessary . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E0A:208:4130:103D:1801:AA4B:2686 (talk) 01:32, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

No, it is way too long. The mention is of questionable relevance in the first place. Wikipedia operates by following reliable sources, which we cite, not an individual's opinion of what did more than inspire the creators of the The Matrix MrOllie (talk) 01:39, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Freudian psychology

"In Freudian psychology, the corresponding principles are the reality principle and the pleasure principle", I read the cited source and I did not find anywhere that said red and blue pill correspond to the reality principle and the pleasure principle. What the article seems to be talking about is how the red pill scene can be used as a metaphors for how we are stuck in a prison of desire, and that basically we are never in control of our actions or thoughts. From my understanding, Pleasure principle seeks instant gratification, while the reality principle delays gratification in order correspond to reality, and to sustain the pleasure principle. Lesanol (talk) 01:53, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for checking the source, removed from the lead. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:39, 28 September 2024‎ (UTC)

@Randy Kryn: Are you all so sure? Please try to consider these further sources as well: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. How about reconsidering your hasty judgment? --94.34.41.111 (talk) 09:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done --151.37.235.72 (talk) 02:31, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutrality

Thread retitled from "Tendency of pro blue-pilling ideologists to make edits to fundamentally reject rationality of red-pills".

Some people have used this article to fundamentally rejects the rationality of red-pilling by pushing the idea that red-pilling are of extreme gross immoral practice associated with hate, misogyny, etc . They backed their credibility with citations from pro mainstream media information channels. Often times, pro blue-pilling editors, often more passionate than red-pill counterparts would overweighed their biased supporting citation to reject red-pills fundamentally.

However it is clear that there are a lot of red-pilling individuals are successful, well-respected, people of democratic society of reputation of great integrity and the controversy of blue pills vs red pills is more grey than their and their citation's surface argument.

How can we stop biased edits backed by flawed citations, motivated by agenda to protect the credibility of blue-pilling practice over conveying facts to curious, neutral, intelligent readers?

Example Original ver:

The concept of red and blue pills has since been widely used as a political metaphor in the United States, especially among online culture,

After biased edit ver:

The concept of red and blue pills has since been widely used as a political metaphor in the United States, especially among online hate culture,

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gweiz (talk • contribs) 11:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia follows the mainstream sources, yes. That is how this site is designed. There is no way to 'stop' that - per policy that is exactly what should be happening. We're not going to substitute your opinion of what is 'biased' for the mainstream sources. - MrOllie (talk) 12:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

^ Precisely this. "Red pill" / "Blue pill" are MOS:INUNIVERSE concepts. Wikipedia, on the other hand, describes the world from a WP:SCHOLARLY perspective wherever possible, and where that is not possible it relies largely upon mainstream WP:NEWSORGs. By design it will always be anathema to people who think of themselves as "red pilled". Generalrelative (talk) 14:52, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Blue pill/ red pill

The description of the Bluepill is incorrect. It is not to be content with benign reality but is the fake virtual manufactured reality of the matrix. 76.172.76.239 (talk) 02:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Doesn't anybody notice the red / blue pill having political implications? blue vs red, democrats vs republicans, illusion vs reality. especially now in the Trump Doge era. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.219.241.26 (talk) 16:14, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

The original meaning of the red pill has been hijacked by the right-wing. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:18, 24 February 2025 (UTC)