Talk:Raid on Taipei

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On 24 September 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Raid on Taihoku. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Background

This Article states that "As early as 1943, . . . . . units of the combined air force of U.S. and Nationalist China had launched several air raids against military and industrial targets in Taiwan."

I believe this is incorrect. There were no units of any combined air force of "U.S. and Nationalist China" which launced air raids against targets in Taiwan.

Hence, I suggest that this description be edited or deleted. Hmortar (talk) 12:39, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 September 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. No consensus to move based on English-language sources. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 21:53, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Raid on Taipei → Raid on Taihoku – Taipei was called Taihoku (Taihoku City, Taihoku Prefecture, Taiwan, Japan) during the raid. Konno Yumeto 11:05, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support, per the preference to use the historical name over the current when discussing historical events, as demonstrated in the Siege of Leningrad, not the Siege of Saint Petersburg. However, I am willing to change my !vote if it can be demonstrated that the raid is commonly referred to in modern texts by the modern name of the city; please ping me. BilledMammal (talk) 02:05, 25 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. There's no revisionism on Wikipedia. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:47, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Under Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Use modern names, "Older names should be used in appropriate historical contexts when a substantial majority of reliable modern sources do the same... we are interested in what reliable English-language sources now use." I do not see the evidence that modern secondary sources clearly prefer Taihoku. My searches lead me to the assessment that usage is mixed; both Taipei and Taihoku are used when writing about the time period.^[1]^[2] This is unlike Siege of Leningrad, where sources do clearly observe a time-based distinction to refer to the city as Leningrad. As Taihoku is neither the COMMONNAME in general nor in the narrower context, the best name to use is Taipei, which is the most recognizable. Adumbrativus (talk) 01:29, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ The Battle for China: Essays on the Military History of the Sino-Japanese War of 1937-1945. 2011. ISBN 978-0-8047-6206-9.
^ Taiwan Under Japanese Colonial Rule, 1895–1945: History, Culture, Memory. 2006. ISBN 978-0-231-51081-3.

Oppose. I'm reluctant to make this move, because readers may be unfamiliar with the name Taihoku (unlike Leningrad), so the new name is less WP:RECOGNIZABLE. I note that there are 7 hits on Google scholar for "Raid on Taipei" vs 1 for "Raid on Taihoku" (and that appears to be a reference to a game of that name). BilledMammal? Havelock Jones (talk) 07:44, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] The Battle for China: Essays on the Military History of the Sino-Japanese War of 1937-1945. 2011. ISBN 978-0-8047-6206-9.

[2] Taiwan Under Japanese Colonial Rule, 1895–1945: History, Culture, Memory. 2006. ISBN 978-0-231-51081-3.

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