Talk:Queen Street (Toronto)

name?

all is wrong here.

proper spelling is Qur'an not Queen

Toronto is not progressing quickly enough towards universal caliphate

FIX THIS! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:12C1:44F5:491E:53CA:E2EF:6F7E (talk) 11:19, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Spadina to trinity belwoods

I can think of five shelters on this stretch of Queen st. (there is the purple one that is called something or other hostel on cameron, then one on augusta, andother one at queen and augusta, the big one at queen and bathurst, and the salvation army at queen and niagara. I don't agree with the statement that this stretch has gone totally upscale in recent years. Sure there are some expensive shoppes, but there are plenty of dive bars (50q, dream cafe bar pub etc).

The Gallery District, or Parkdale East (or a combination of the two?)?

Living in the Queen and Ossington area for some time now, I have never heard anybody refer to the area as 'the gallery district'. It's considered by most people to be the eastern hub of Parkdale (with Parkdale proper being west of the rail tracks). Where in the world are you getting The Gallery District from? There are lots of neighbourhoods in Toronto with plenty of galleries. 'The Gallery District' is not accurate at all. The neighbourhood has always been refered to as either Parkdale or Parkdale East.

Hi. As I noted on your Talk page a few minutes ago, the eastern boundary of the Village of Parkdale was originally Dufferin. Queen West east of Dufferin is not now, nor has it ever been, a part of Parkdale. I never once heard Queen West east of Dufferin referred to as East Parkdale, or even as a part of Parkdale, when I lived there for five years. Or in the decade since, when I've often visited.

The Gallery District is a relatively-new name for the section of Queen West between Trinity Bellwoods Park and Dufferin. I live just north of this part of Queen West and I've heard people use the term many times, and I've seen it used in local print magazines. While it is true there are other neighbourhoods in Toronto which also have art galleries, there's no neighbourhood in Toronto with as many galleries.

Here's a suggestion: leave 'the Gallery District' in the Queen West article for now, and I'm sure others who know the street and the neighbourhood will comment on this over the next few days. In the meantime, please do research the historical eastern boundary of Parkdale as I suggested. The Village of Parkdale ended at Dufferin, where Toronto began. Cheers, Madmagic 09:03, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm well aware of the historical boundaries of Parkdale Village. However, modern usage does not always conform to historical states (witness the slow creep southward of the Annex, for instance)

The area of Queen West between Trinity Bellwoods and Dufferin is also a part of the Parkdale-High Park electoral district.

Hi again. You added this comment while I was still writing my words, above. :) Regarding the name of the electoral district, that is no more an argument for how people describe the area than saying High Park should be called Parkdale West -- or Parkdale, High Park East. Electoral districts often cut across neighbourhood lines. Cheers, Madmagic 09:03, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

It is a fallacious argument to say that High Park could be called 'Parkdale West' as the name is included in the riding name. Were the riding called Gallery District-Parkdale-High Park, you would have a very good argument though. I'm not claiming that the riding name itself is proof, but along with the fact that many people refer to the area as a part of Parkdale, it all adds up to more evidence.

Respectfully, I'm not suggesting you and I try to reach an agreement right now by discussion. I'm suggesting we both let other Wikipedians add their comments. Can we agree? :) Cheers, Madmagic 09:48, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

It doesn't seem as if anybody else is commenting, so I'm going to go with a compromise solution.

Hello Guys,

I've lived near the Queen/Dovercourt area since 2000, and have referred to my hood variously as Parkdale, Queen street West, West Queen West, and more recently, with the addition of the signs marking such, the Art& Design district. In time, usuage will determine which of these names, if any, will stick.

Zoning

I removed the reference to the strip between Spadina and University being zoned for "light industrial uses" during the 60s and early 70s. I quickly checked the zoning by-law from that era, and Queen West in that area was zoned for largely the same mix of retail, office, service and residential uses back then as it is today. Skeezix1000 21:08, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

West/East?

Why is this article split between Queen West and East? There is no East article which seems pointless. Why are they split on the Queen Street disambig? Some info on Queen East should be added to this page making it one page for the whole street. TheHYPO 05:43, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know that it's "pointless" that there is no article on Queen Street East -- it simply hasn't been written yet. As for the reason why this article relates only to Queen Street West, as opposed to Queen Street as a whole (both east and west), it's likely the result of the decision of the person who created the article in 2004. However, I presume the reason that it has remained that way since 2004 is due to the fact that Queen Street West is (or, arguably, was) a metonym/catchphrase for all that is trendy in Toronto, and the various editors over the past two and half years have generally felt that it merits its own article. Personally, I can the logic of having separate articles on Queen West and Queen East, given that Queen West is both a place and a concept (for lack of a better word), although I don't particularly feel strongly about it. The same rationale wouldn't exist for having separate articles on, say, Dundas Street East and Dundas Street West. Just my two cents. Skeezix1000 18:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Queen Street East

I propose to add another section to this article detailing the section between Yonge St and Fallingbrook Road. I expect it to have five subsections. Once it has been added we can decide whether to split the article or rename it to just Queen Street (Toronto).

• Yonge to Don River
• Riverdale: Don River to Logan
• Leslieville: Logan to Greenwood
• Ashbridges Bay: Greenwood to Woodbine
• Beaches: Woodbine to Fallingbrook —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Suttungr (talk • contribs).

This is an article on Queen West, not Queen Street generally. You should either create a separate article for Queen East, or you should first canvass renaming this article before adding material that does not relate to Queen West. My vote would be for the former. Skeezix1000 23:35, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I got tired of seeing redlinks or lack or wikilinks whenever Queen East was referenced -- there is now a stub at Queen Street East. Skeezix1000 18:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

February 20th fire

I know that the fire near Queen and Portland was a big deal today. But ever since Queen West was first built out, there have been many fires over the years, many of which I am sure resulted in greater property damage than this one, and even loss of life. There have even been other big fires in the last few years on the strip (like this one). To create a whole new section on this fire, right at the top of the article, smacks a bit of recentism. After a week or so, this fire will fade from the news, and eventually new buildings will take the place of the one's damaged in today's fire. In five years, it is not clear to me what impact or significance this fire will have had on Queen West. I am not even sure it merits any mention in the article. Skeezix1000 (talk) 21:31, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Queen West Arts Crawl

This section of the article uses the first person and is most likely copy-pasted from a promotional source. At the very least, it should be rewritten to avoid this unencyclopedic use of first-person pronouns. I'm also not sure it deserves the same status as the street sections; I suggest moving it to the end of the article, merging it with the most appropriate section or creating its own stub (but notability may well be an issue?) 194.73.121.7 (talk) 14:22, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

You're absolutely right. There was formerly a separate article on the crawl, which was deleted due to notability concerns, but the consensus at that time was that some elements of that article could be merged here. Of course, someone just cut and paste almost the entire crawl article here, and since then no one has trimmed it, or reduced it appropriately in light of the crawl's relative (in)significance in relation to all the other information in respect of Queen West. Skeezix1000 (talk) 17:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

It merits mention in the article, but not an entire section. Since there have been no objections since June of last year, I will implement the suggested change. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 19:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Spadina to Trinity Bellwoods Park - overtaken by the Goths

This section contains a lot of details about the Goth scene, including a (probably unnecessary) list of Goth clubs (many redlinks). Although all of this information might be relevant to an article on Goth culture or the Goth scene in Toronto, was the Goth phenomena in the 1990s so significant along this stretch of Queen that it merits more than a one sentence mention in this article? Given sentences like "The area still serves its mid-1990s Goth clientèle, and now caters also to urbanites", you would think that this part of town is all about the Goths, and that people associate this part of Queen with the Goths the same way we say, for example, associate Church and Wellesley with the LGBT community. Perhaps I am unfairly diminishing the importance of the Goth scene, but most of this section sounds as though it were written by a Goth aficionado with their own particular POV. Any thoughts? --Skeezix1000 (talk) 21:00, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I left it for three months, but got no response, so I removed the references to the booming Goth scene. If someone can find reliable sources, in keeping with WP:V and WP:RS, that shows that the Goth scene along this stretch was sufficiently notable to mention it in a general, overview article on Queen Street West, then certainly we can reinsert some references. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 16:10, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

East Queen West

Why is it called West Quest West? What is the significance of putting "West" after AND before? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.161.146.100 (talk) 10:13, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

It simply refers to a western portion of a street called Queen Street West. Queen Street West is a long street. In the 1980s, the hip/artistic/trendy stretch of the street was between University Ave and Spadina Ave. Over time, that section became less trendy and full of chain stores like H&M and HMV. As the galleries and independent boutiques moved west along Queen Street W., the monicker "West Queen West" gained currency, to refer to a section of the street to the west of what had formerly been the most notable stretch. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 13:12, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Yeah Vogue magazine in 2014 called Toronto's West Queen West world #2 hippest street--184.161.146.100 (talk) 16:39, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

old Queen West - University/spadina

The old Queen west openingstarting paragraph was lifted word word for word off a real estate website. I added more information to the whole section. I was there and saw the area change, we just need references to back it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starbwoy (talk • contribs) 23:07, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

explanation

For more than a decade Queen Street (Toronto) was redirected, most recently to List of east–west roads in Toronto#Queen Street. Woah! Terrible idea!

It is one of the most important streets in Toronto. How could it have been redirected for that long?

Further, redirection to a subsection of another article? Also a terrible idea. The wikipedia's wikilinks are a huge improvement over the regular links of the plain old world-wide web.

The wikimedia software only partially supports wikilinks to subsection heading. Wikilinks to subsection headings share a key weakness of regular links, non wiki links.

They break. When a web-site owner changes how their site is organized, the individual pages' URLs are changed. So, every other website that links to them, suddenly has a bunch of broken links. The owner of the original website doesn't even have a reliable way of knowing what other websites link to them.

When someone changes a section heading, wikilinks to subsection headings break, in just the same way. There is no reliable way for anyone to know a subsection heading is the target of a wikilink.

In addition, only articles can be put on our watchlists. Only articles work for the "what links here" button.

For these reasons we shouldn't use wikilinks to subsection headings, in article space.

Anyhow, I replaced the redirection with a small article. Geo Swan (talk) 23:35, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 13 November 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 17:46, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

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Queen Street West → Queen Street (Toronto) – I request this page be moved to Queen Street (Toronto) and merged with this revison of Queen Street East (particularly the route description part). All other east-west streets have one article (rather than two divided the street by east and west), some examples are Eglinton Avenue, Lawrence Avenue and King Street (Toronto). Although the lead says the name also describes the neighbourhoods in the article, the article is mostly written about the street, making a rename easy todo without rewittenign much of the article. It should also be noted that Queen Street East doesn't have an article, leavign that section of Queen Street without an article, even though less notable streets in Toronto have articles. – BrandonXLF ^(t@lk) 23:36, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

• I have created a draft of Queen Street (Toronto) after the move and merge at User:BrandonXLF/Queen Street (Toronto). – BrandonXLF ^(t@lk)` —Preceding undated comment added 01:27, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
• Support per WP:Consistency and the rest of the nom statement. JC7V (talk) 03:21, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
• Support, as JC7V7DC5768. --Woofboy (talk) 03:59, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
• Admin note I have re-opened this RM as it was improperly closed by the nominator. Primefac (talk) 22:15, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Queen Street West was not originally created as a standalone article because street, but because of the particular "neighbourhood" status of the specific University-to-Spadina segment as the nexus of Toronto's live music and underground culture scene in the 1980s and 1990s. The article has evolved, however, and is now covering the entire Yonge-to-Roncy stretch as a street rather than Cameron/Horseshoe/Rivoli as a scene — so as it now stands, there's a lot less basis for treating it as a separate article topic from Queen East anymore, because the potential basis for standalone notability has been constrained to one short subsection within an article about the entire street as a piece of infrastructure. Bearcat (talk) 01:21, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Why were Queen West and Queens East made into one article?

The average person on Wikimedia has no clue what they are doing. So 3 people without knowledge on the history and culture of Toronto moved to combine the articles. It was two different article because the info dealing with it would be huge and its perceived as two different streets.

Encyclopedia and Wikipedia articles shouldn't be huge books. the combined article is way too long.

Anyone without even a little bit of knowledge of Toronto and the history knows that east west streets in Toronto can have very different characters. This is most visible and known on Queens St. Psychologically they are perceived as two different streets. They are two different streets.

Historically and culturally they developed very differently because of the Don River. Everyone knows that Queen Street East is extremely different from Queens Street West. One was very urban from the Start, and one can still be perceived as low scale even suburban (east). Each section/ neighborhood on the street can be a Wikipedia article itself. I think the Queen street West Article was originally created to deal with just the area between University and Spadina, which was referred to as Queen West.I;m quite sure all 3 of them are under the age of 25, when they made the decisionStarbwoy (talk) 23:12, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

There are exactly zero cases in Wikipedia where one continuous street has two separate articles about its west and east halves, and zero cases where that's the way a street should be covered — we don't even cover Broadway, arguably the single most notable street in the world, that way. The decision was correct, whether you like it or not. And just for the record, I'm 49, live in Toronto, and have seen more shows at the Horsehoe and the Rivoli and the Cameron House and the Beaver (and long-goners like Sanctuary and the Big Bop and Reverb and Holy Joe's, just in case you think I don't know what I'm talking about!) than you can possibly imagine. Nobody said the east and west halves don't have some historical differences — but that's not a reason why they would need two separate articles, it's a reason for one article to go into depth about the differences. Bearcat (talk) 18:39, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

You kind of made the case against your point. The Don River isn't the divider of the street, Yonge is. But the character that make Queen West and East distinct doesn't lie at Yonge Street. It makes less sense to have information on 4 overlapping topics spread onto separate articles as opposed to having them on one. The table of contents is there for a purpose, and the article is pretty short by all standards (compare with Don Valley Parkway). There also is no "Queen East", there's The Beaches. I don't psychologically perceive them as two distinct streets by the way, just two distinct neighbourhoods along one street that was divided in half by the first north-south through route in Upper Canada. - Floydian ^τ _¢ 00:20, 17 December 2020 (UTC)