Talk:Psychiatric hospital

Psychiatrist

Who came up with the idea of a psychiatric hospital 105.113.34.219 (talk) 08:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

"Grippy sock jail" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Grippy sock jail has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 August 10 § Grippy sock jail until a consensus is reached. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:48, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

That discussion was for the redirect going to this article. I think the slang is clear that grippy sock jail means psych hospital, and the redirect is correct. The issue here is whether it should be in the lead and to what extent should slang terms for an institution be in an article. Otherwise we should include terms with a better established history of use: Funny Farm (70 years), Loony Bin (100 years), Nut House (120 years). So, per WP:BRD I'm going to pull it from the lead and we can get consensus here whether to include Grippy socks, where to put it, and whether these other terms should be used as well. MartinezMD (talk) 16:36, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree with your rationale. My reasoning was along the lines that if you can use something like German measles as a redirect to Rubella, but also include it in the lede, then it might be reasonable to assume that the (redirect) case applies here. Regards CV9933 (talk) 18:49, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

I get your point. The terms I mentioned also appropriately redirect here. We could consider a short paragraph with the slang and history MartinezMD (talk) 00:27, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

I would not include the term at at all here, but be inclined to change the redirect to point at somewhere more suitable.Regards CV9933 (talk) 11:57, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

I didn't know that article existed. I would rather not have the term in the article either as I think it detracts from it. Let's see if anyone else has good input on this. MartinezMD (talk) 19:51, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Agree, hospital socks seems a more appropriate target for the redirect. Chumpih ^t 21:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

The creator of grippy sock jail was A smart kitten so I believe that if we all agree, pointing the redirect there will be the correct outcome.Regards CV9933 (talk) 08:37, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@CV9933, @MartinezMD, @Chumpih: Personally, I think I still feel that this article is the better target, as there’s at least one source that connects the slang term to psychiatric hospitals: [1]. My opinion is that a redirect to an article focusing on the socks themselves would ignore the fact that ‘grippy sock jail’ is a slang term for the hospitals, not for the socks. I think keeping grippy socks as a redirect to hospital socks, and grippy sock jail as a redirect to this page works best.

I don’t have an opinion on whether the term should be included in the lead, but I’d say that I don’t think the term particularly needs to be included in the lead to remain as a redirect to here.

All the best, ^user:A smart kitten_meow 08:57, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm a little averse to the grippy sock jail redirect arriving here because a reader who searches that term will then have to work out for themselves why they have arrived here. We have to remember who we are writing for, and it may be confusing because not everyone has English as their native language. That might be mitigated by adding it to the lede, but the social media section of hospital socks article informs us that it is a relatively new construct. Therefore uniformed editors are likely to remove it believing that the term is unconstructive.Regards CV9933 (talk) 09:35, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I can't see keeping in the lead, or by that logic, we'd have to include every term that redirects to the article (see some examples I listed). I think the term could be in the body of the article or link to the sock article which includes the explanation of the term so there is no doubt to the reader what is meant. MartinezMD (talk) 09:49, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I agree with that. MOS:NEO generally discourages recently coined phrases so the lede would not be a good place but maybe a link as early as possible after the lede would be good. CV9933 (talk) 10:09, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I would think 'grippy socks', while being often used in hospitals, aren't the sole preserve of that location. Grippy sock jail unambiguously implies hospitals, possibly including psychiatric hospitals. I would therefore think the appropriate choice is to have 'Grippy sock jail' redirect to hospital socks, where appropriate treatment for the phrase is already pretty much in place. Chumpih ^t 21:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

OK, I was bold and changed the redirect. No objection to further discussion but I think this was a pretty acceptable move. MartinezMD (talk) 00:04, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Emboldened, I've taken similar steps on Grippy sock hotel. Chumpih ^t 22:32, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

I think the word "jail" makes it clear that it's referring to specifically a psychiatric hospital. Maybe we could have a section on stigmatizing language in the article so we could have a home for all these slang terms? I'm totally new so please let me know if that's an unreasonable request. Thanks for putting effort into being careful with language with this topic. ViolanteMD (talk) 15:05, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

"Funny farm"

Totally don't think the person who added this as a synonym was being mean, but name another group of people where it's okay to talk about their involuntary detention this way. ViolanteMD (talk) 22:52, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

See discussion in the section immediately above this one. MartinezMD (talk) 14:53, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Oh thank you, I hadn't seen that. It's hard to read these conversations sometimes. ViolanteMD (talk) 14:59, 31 August 2024 (UTC)