Talk:Progression of the deadlift world record

Gary Heisey lifted 920 lbs at the APF Senior Nationals

Thor's lift should be in the Wikipedia. Add a controversy section if you believe that is necessary.

I understand there is controversy around Thor's lift. Eddie Hall and Hafthor have a long-standing disagreement about it. Some context for those unfamiliar with the situation: The Covid-19 pandemic up-ended Thor's 2020 plans for his 501kg deadlift, and forced him to do it in a closed setting. Thor's 501kg lift is acknowledged by many, possibly the majority of strongman fans, as the world record. This is in part, because Covid-19 cancelled the competition, so the setting made some sense, and also because Hafthor has been dominant on deadlift in many other competitions (e.g. at the Arnolds). However, there are many, including Eddie Hall in particular, who **do not** acknowledge Thor's 501kg as the world record. So, what should be done about this? How should the article be written?

The answer is **not** to remove Thor's lift from Wikipedia. That is misleading. The correct thing for an encyclopedia is to include Thor's lift, but include a note detailing the controversy, and Eddie Hall's disagreement. Outright removing Thor's lift, and comparing it to a lift you did in your own home, is clearly an egregious misunderstanding of what information is useful to people, and why Wikipedia exists. Wikipedia does not exist for you to try to "win" your fight on who is better, Hafthor or Hall. It exists to be encyclopedia of information, and, on the topic of the deadlift world record, Thor's 501kg lift is obviously relevant and important information. A massive number of people view this 501kg lift as the actual world record. Even among those who don't, it is still considered an important lift in the history of deadlift world records. Some people don't think it's the World Record, and that the World record belongs to Eddie Hall. That is a fact that can and should be mentioned. But outright omitting the existence of Thor's lift because you like Eddie Hall's lift more is a deep confusion as to the purpose of this article, and why encyclopedias exist.

Wikipedia exists to provide information to people, not to be a battleground for Thor vs Eddie. This lift is obviously important information in the history of deadlift World Records, **especially** since there is so much disagreement. In fact, it might make sense to have an entire section about the disagreement. Please, instead of outright removing that information, create a section explaining the controversy with sources and citations. That is the right thing to do if you care about encyclopedias. 5.195.220.233 (talk) 09:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Graphs are temporarily unavailable due to technical issues

Does anyone know what exactly the technical issue is? It clearly illustrated the overlapping of the 3 variations: Strongman, Powerlifting all time and Powerlifting IPF. Nir007H (talk) 13:08, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Dear @Fylindfotberserk and @Revirvlkodlaku, since there's no response from anybody for the past 11 months, could the two of you intervene and help/ advise on how to sort this issue? Many thanks in advance. Nir007H (talk) 06:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@Nir007H: Apparently All Graphs broken on Wikimedia wikis (due to security issue T336556). Seems the technical issue haven't been fixed yet. In En Wiki, users have removed those graphs from article I patrol. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:41, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Progression of the RAW record?

It's a shame that the first list mixes the equipped and unequipped (raw) records. What makes Benedikt Magnusson's record so impressive is that before him, no one had even lifted more than 440 raw. On openpowerlifting.org it looks like the highest was Andy Bolton at a raw meet in 2010 pulling 437,5. And between Mark Henry's 410 in 1995 and Magnusson's 460 in 2011, only Bolton and Konstantinovs had pulled anything above 420... (the progression should be something like Reinhoudt 390, Henry 410, and then Beni beating his own record twice..!) TheEsb (talk) 16:45, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

In the meantime, the final 3 sumo records in the list should be specially indicated in 'sumo stance'. Nir007H (talk) 06:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

+ Agreed on the fact that the Powerlifting Raw and Equipped records should be clearly differentiated. Have to come up with the most optimum way to show it. Nir007H (talk) 08:09, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@TheEsb The issue is now sorted. Nir007H (talk) 03:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Missing highest lift

Hi, the article is missing world record lift of Oleksii Novikov. Any reason why it’s not there? 2001:14BB:67B:986B:418A:523:D429:B3F8 (talk) 16:29, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

This is for the Standard Deadlift at standard height (the bar at 9 inches from the floor). Oleksii Novikov's 549 kg Hummer Tire Deadlift at 2022 Shaw Classic is from 15 inches. Hence it is a totally different record which does not belong to this category. Nir007H (talk) 06:14, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Strongman > All-time > 2011 WSM, Deadlift event, final two weights

Dear @Fylindfotberserk, @Revirvlkodlaku, @MrOllie, Under section: Strongman > All-time, the 5th and the 6th weights are from 2011 World's Strongest Man Deadlift event (the final two weight selections). However, there's contradictory sources on the exact weight and an ongoing dispute between myself and IP address holder who last amended the page (82.6.117.4)

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUnvXrHPuJw says 952 lb (431.8) and 972 lb (440.9)

2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBY69jWdDQg says 435 (959) and 440 (970)

3. https://strongmanarchives.com/viewContest.php?id=130 says 435 (959) and 440 (970)

4. https://strengthresults.com/competitionHome/b076-c36d-45ab-83f1-e6c71c650dac/1 says 435 (959) and 440 (970)

5. 82.6.117.4 quotes "Colin Bryce, the tournament organiser, has confirmed this was 442 kg in the following podcast: https://audioboom.com/posts/5451843-the-commerce-world-s-strongest-man-review-podcast?fbclid=IwAR1XClpKjynxih7iv73h4QLr83QnhHnCMt36KhhPwoOGEHUqC_iMvQQz-vg at 31:47" and says the second of the two lifts is 442 (974.4)

6. Terry Hollands who participated in the competition says the first of the two lifts is 435 (959): https://www.instagram.com/p/DDC7ACyg_-P/?hl=en (please check 'his' 10th reply under his initial comment on this post)

I personally believe, based on majority of the sources, we should go with 435 (959) and 440 (970). But 82.6.117.4 vehemently insists on both numbers solely on the second of the two lifts info. he quotes (5th source) and that particular number: 442 (974.4) is not to be found in any of the first 4 sources: 972 lb (440.9), 440 (970), 440 (970) & 440 (970). Really appreciate your opinions and guidance to solve this. Thank you very much in advance.

Another important point I want you to focus is the next weight in the progression, which depending on the sources is 974 lb (441.8) or 442.5 (975) from 2013 World's Strongest Man. If the number quoted by 82.6.117.4 is true, do you think WSM would have gone with a 0.45 kg (1 lb) weight jump for the WR? If you take 974 lb (441.8) as the 2013 lift, 442 (974.4) obviously cannot be the 2011 weight. Nir007H (talk) 04:08, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@Nir007H: I'd follow the video source video source, it is pretty clear as far as the view and commentary are concerned. So it is 952 lbs (431.8 kg, rounded to 432 kg) each for Tommy, Big Z and Brian (first 3 rows) and 972 lbs (440.9 kg, rounded to 441 kg) for the Big Z (the next row). Not sure why Bryce calling it a 442 instead of 441, possibly a conversion error from his part. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:08, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk Thank you. However, I'm curious to know why you only considered the first video source and not the second. They both are from the same footage but two different commentaries. Nir007H (talk) 23:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

@Nir007H: Lol I totally missed that video. Typically I rely on visual sources but there is serious discrepancy even in that. While this one comes from a verified handle, this is in kgs, which seems more appropriate considering that WSM is a international event, also corroborated by this one as well as Hollands (this one is not visible to me). So we have a majority of sources in favour of 435 (959) and 440 (970). Not sure of Bryce's figure since it isn't supported by other sources. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Fylindfotberserk. Before proceeding, I would like to know @Revirvlkodlaku and @MrOllie's opinions as well. Nir007H (talk) 14:42, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Nir007H, sorry for the delayed response. I agree with you and Fylindfotberserk on this, and it seems that 435 (959) and 440 (970) is the best way to go. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 13:05, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Revirvlkodlaku. I'd like to know @MrOllie's thoughts too before we proceed. Nir007H (talk) 13:40, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

435 (959) and 440 (970) seems right to me. I think the other source making a conversion error is very plausible. MrOllie (talk) 15:30, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @MrOllie. We will proceed with 435 (959) and 440 (970). Nir007H (talk) 01:06, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku @Fylindfotberserk @MrOllie First, it appears that @Nir007H has selectively curated a subset of sources, the majority of which cite the weight in question as 970 lbs (440 kg). However, this selection overlooks a significant body of equally credible sources that document the weight as 974 lbs (442 kg), including video footage from onlookers at the event, not to mention the tournament director Colin Bryce.

Second, the setup of the deadlift in question provides further clarity. This specific lift utilises large barrels supplemented by additional weight plates. A detailed examination of the progression in weight changes reveals a compelling pattern: the increase in weight aligns with a 10 kg jump (from 432 kg to 442 kg), as evidenced by the video footage. If the increase had been a mere 5 kg (to 440 kg), one would expect the addition of 2x 2.5 kg plates. Instead, the footage clearly shows two moderately sized plates being added—these are demonstrably larger than the smaller flanking plates and are consistent with 5 kg plates. This strongly supports the conclusion that the overall increase was indeed 10 kg, not 5 kg. 41.133.102.144 (talk) 14:09, 20 December 2024 (UTC)