Talk:Princess Viktória de Bourbon de Parme

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@MariaAmaliaduchessadiParma:, to prevent the risk of an edit war, I would like to start a discussion here. Please stop moving the page to a new name. Her official legal title is Princess Viktória de Bourbon de Parme and that is her common name as per the sources cited in the article. Countess of Bardi, while a title she uses out of courtesy, is not officially recognized by the Dutch government nor the Italian government. The other members of the Dutch Bourbon-Parma family are similar titled on Wikipedia (see Jaime de Bourbon de Parme, Princess Carolina de Bourbon de Parme, and Princess Margarita de Bourbon de Parme. You are also not cleaning up after your move, and are leaving a mess with redirects to the article. Unless you can provide ample sources showing that Princess Viktória, Countess of Bardi is her common name, then please restore the article back to its original title. Thank you. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 17:07, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DrKay: @Celia Homeford: are either of you able to help me restore and clean up this mess with redirects? I'm not sure how to do it properly. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 17:10, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Willthacheerleader18:: Look, it's you who are wrong: I've been following the ducal house for many years now and I guarantee you that I know what its name is. Not "de Bourbon de Parme", but Princess Viktória, Countess of Bardi. You are wrong. Consult the website of the House of Bourbon Parma and you will understand. We cannot define the nobles to our liking. By chance the page of a prince of Italy is called "Principe Emanuele Filiberto di Savoia"? No "Prince Emanuele Filiberto of Savoy".-User:MariaAmaliaduchessadiParma

@MariaAmaliaduchessadiParma:Please familiarize yourself with WP:COMMONNAME. None of the sources provided refer to her as "Princess Viktória, Countess of Bardi". They refer to her as "Princess Viktória de Bourbon de Parme", "Viktória de Bourbon de Parme", and "Viktória Cservenyák". Her official, legal name and title are Princess Viktória de Bourbon de Parme. "De Bourbon de Parme" is the Dutch form of the surname for members of the Bourbon-Parma family. For example, Tania de Bourbon Parme is a princess of Bourbon-Parma but her legal and common name in France, where she lives, is de Bourbon Parme. There is no point in having the article title be a name that is not reflected in any of the sources. Her husband's article is titled Jaime de Bourbon de Parme, not "Prince Jaime, Count of Bardi". -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 17:18, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Willthacheerleader18: Originally her husband's page was called "Prince Jaime, count of Bardi". Since the surname "de Bourbon de Parme" causes controversy, we could call the page "Princess Viktória de Bourbon de Parme, Countess of Bardi" what do you say?--User:MariaAmaliaduchessadiParma

I'd say that's unnecessary disambiguation. We try to keep article titles concise per Wikipedia:Article titles. It's also inconsistent with the articles of her in-laws, and we try to keep article titles consistent. DrKay (talk) 17:55, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]