Talk:Princess Isabelle of Orléans (1900–1983)

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On 6 September 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Princess Isabelle of Orléans, Countess of Harcourt. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Requested move 6 September 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 16:40, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Princess Isabelle of Orléans (1900–1983) → Princess Isabelle of Orléans, Countess of Harcourt – To provide a more natural disambiguation, an improvement over using years of birth and death. Her husband already has Count of Harcourt in the article's name on his page. Killuminator (talk) 22:44, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If this move proceeds we should also move Princess Isabelle of Orléans (1878–1961) to Princess Isabelle of Orléans, Duchess of Guise. There is just no logical reason to disambiguate one based on title and the other based on birth and death years. Keivan.f^Talk 23:42, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. As Keivan.f said, Princess Isabelle of Orléans (1878–1961) should be moved to Princess Isabelle of Orléans, Duchess of Guise. estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:18, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I can find reliable sources calling her Countess Bruno d'Harcourt, but none saying she was the Countess of Harcourt. This isn't a substantive peerage and shouldn't be forced into that style simply for wikipedia's sake. DrKay (talk) 15:13, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION says "Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title, is sometimes preferred. However, do not use obscure or made-up names." So, natural disambiguation does not apply in this case as there are no English reliable sources calling her this. Celia Homeford (talk) 08:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.