Talk:Prince Constantine-Alexios of Greece and Denmark

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Old nominated for deletion since 13 May 2011. But now 2018, This article is growth and notable issue. Thanks Thazinkoko (talk) 19:10, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Article title

Recommend this article's title be changed to Prince Constantine of Greece, as we don't need his entire name & also, his family reigned over Greece (not Greece and Denmark). GoodDay (talk)

There are two previous prince Constantines, both of whom are more notable than this one. DrKay (talk) 19:47, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

His name is not Constantine but Constantine-Alexios. Not only did his family reign over Denmark, but it still does. Margrethe II, his grandaunt, is alive and kicking. While it can be argued that he has never legally been a prince of Greece, he definitely is a prince of Denmark. What I would recommend, however, is that this article be deleted. Surtsicna (talk) 19:53, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would support deletion, as he's second-in-line to a non-existent throne. GoodDay (talk) 00:02, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

please see Taw Phaya Gyi, heir to the defunct Throne. I mean compare it, Constantine was notable than Taw Phaya Gyi, but dif "constantine is living". Thazinkoko (talk) 01:42, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would not write off a person simply because they are heir to a "defunct throne". Wikipedia has dozens of articles on heirs to defunct thrones, particularly regarding German and French royal persons. Not to mention he is legally a member of the Danish royal family and a prince of the Kingdom of Denmark. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 22:45, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Royaly article writers, Someone why don't create Princess Silvia, Duchess of Aosta (es:Silvia Ottavia Paternò or it:Silvia Paternò di Spedalotto)...? I hope someone create soon. Thazinkoko (talk) 09:06, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My main focal point is royal and noble women, so I'd be interested in writing it. Thanks! -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 12:30, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your previous comment and support cmt for Prince Constantines, also Thanks all commented user, I want to create about of burmese's last royal article, but I afraid nagative user and Afd tag. Thanks, God bless all :-) Thazinkoko (talk) 12:52, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello dear Surtsicna, Bearian, DWC LR Willthacheerleader18, GoodDay, DrKay, Someone Afd tag to Prince Constantine article, I very sad, it my fav article.... i think he is notable and previous discussion have many keep vote but deleted ... since 2011, Now 7 year later, i think this article is notable. Also tagged Afk Prince Achileas-Andreas of Greece and Denmark and but his sister article was accept, ...Thanks Thazinkoko (talk) 17:50, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, They article are "keep", I so happy, Emily Khine (talk) 19:31, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Honours

@Thazinkoko:: I don't know where to start with all the things that are wrong here.

First, "why don't remove in es wikipedis, ihonour name from es wiki" is not a valid argument about anything. One version of Wikipedia containing an inaccuracy is not a reason for me to tolerate it here, or you to revert my correction. That is why, I repeat, there is Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source, which means that Wikipedia articles should NOT use other Wikipedia articles as sources.

Second, if you don't have the competence to translate yourself, without the use of Google Translate, then please do not contribute to the English Wikipedia. The same goes for lack of personal knowledge about Greek royalty, orders, history, etc. This is under Wikipedia:Competence is required; you cannot expect me or any other user to go around correcting the mistakes or oversights that may result from your ignorance. Put another way, if you don't know yourself for sure, then please at least don't revert anyone who knows the subject better.

Third, as far as the specific section under dispute, unlike you, I actually checked the source, and it is simply a photo of what may be the Grand Cross of the Redeemer, just peeking out under the frock coat. That does not constitute WP:RS, but some Spanish Wikipedian's detective work. The same ribbon can be that of the Order of the Elephant, or some other order. We can't know from this pic, and more importantly, we are not allowed to guess. More importantly still, the Order of the Redeemer is no longer the ex-King's to give; since 1973/74 it is awarded by the President of Greece, and as Constantine Alexios was born in 1998, and the President presumably has not awarded him with that order, it is an usurpation (if indeed he wears that order). The Order of the Redeemer is and always has been a national order, not a royal one, unlike the Order of George I, or the Order of Saints George and Constantine. Constantine ✍ 18:38, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Cplakidas:I'm Sad! i use translater because I don't known Spain language 😢 OMG, you helped promote 142 good articles and join in 2005!!! you are cool and pro-editor. I'm beginner📝..., I don't know How can keep article! ☃️

plz see Taw Phaya Gyi, he is grandson of last king thibaw and heir to the defunct Throne of Burmese, abolished in 1885, why accept this article? Greek prince Constantine is living king's grandson, also direct connecting with Denmark royal. i think he is notable than burmese's senior royal, so sorry for my not understanding. I'm Myanmar people but i love greek royal, and europe royalty <3 Thanks for your information _/\_ god bless youThazinkoko (talk) 18:56, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @Cplakidas:, The two article are "keep", I'm so happy, and Thank your for your kind because you don't vote again as delete . God bless your family 🙏 Take care Emily Khine (talk) 18:55, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Royal title

You can use the title "Prince of Denmark" if you want but seeing as his family's royal title was stripped from them in 1974 and he was born much later, he can't use any title. The title dies with his father's generation. This is an encyclopedia and political opinions don't matter. John Papado01 (talk) 12:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

If you wish to move the article, please start a requested move discussion as detailed at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. DrKay (talk) 12:56, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Greek Royal Family recognizes him as a Prince of Greece and Denmark. He is entitled to use his Greek Title and his Danish Title. 98.193.60.125 (talk) 03:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edits From Earlier today

Don't understand why my edits from earlier today were reverted. Constantine WOULD be Crown Prince today if the monarchy was still in Greece. To have no acknowledgment of such on his page while Ferdinand von Habsburg and Prince Georg of Prussia do for their similar situations is ludicrous. Either ALL heirs to deposed monarchies should have a 'Titles in Pretence' on their page or NONE should. In any case, I merely put a statement in the body of the article that he would be Crown Prince if his father currently ruled as Paul II. I'm adding it back in; do not revert it.75.170.195.90 (talk) 00:24, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Reliable sources for guidance. DrKay (talk) 06:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then why does Ferdinand von Habsburg have a box at the bottom of his page saying that he is 'first in line to the defunct Austro-Hungarian throne?'

Why does Prince Georg of Prussia have a box at the bottom of his page saying 'Titles in Pretence - Prince of Prussia?'

Yet Prince Constantine-Alexios cannot have any sort of acknowledgement on his page that by rights he would be Crown Prince IF - and I made the IF very clear - the monarchy still existed in Greece?

More to the point, Ferdinand's father has a box at the bottom of his page - 'Titles in Pretence: — TITULAR —

Emperor of Austria,

King of Hungary, Bohemia, Croatia, Dalmatia,

Slavonia, Galicia, Illyria, and Jerusalem',

yet the same can't be done for Crown Prince Pavlos to indicate that he would by rights be King of the Hellenes?

Nope, Wikipedia has double standards - ludicrous double standards. Either all or none - no pick and choose. 75.170.195.90 (talk) 13:30, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Verifiability: "Any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source." DrKay (talk) 16:58, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not even the very 'The List' article listed as the first source in his article that specifically says, "Had the monarchy not been abolished, Constantine Alexios may have one day become King Constantine III"? 75.170.195.90 (talk) 17:39, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Reliable sources for guidance. DrKay (talk) 17:44, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'm done with this discussion. All I'm going to say is I think it's a huge mistake to ignore the Prince's heritage and what he would be if his family still ruled Greece. This 'Wikipedia reliable sources' is clear as mud and I dislike seeing you parrot it constantly in response to my comments instead of clearly taking time to explain WHY Constantine's article cannot acknowledge that he is titular Crown Prince of Greece. Good day. 75.170.195.90 (talk) 18:05, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]