Talk:Portland Police Bureau

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Looks good! I wikified a little bit of it, but all it needs is just expansion expansion exspansion! SGGH ^speak! 10:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, i am going to continue to expand as i have time! Thanks for your work. Tiptoety 19:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

expansion ideas

Controversies
- Overtime scandal "ended" February 2001 [1]
- James Chasse death [2] [3]
- Kendra James [4]
- Excessive taser use [5] [6] [7] [8]
Withdrawal from terrorism task force [9] [10]
Refusal to cooperate with Feds [11]
Mark Kroeker [12] [13] [14]
Mayor fires policeman [15]

—EncMstr 20:19, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~The Bureau's official website seems lame.~~ Is there a better one? —EncMstr 07:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

that is a very good web site if you mavigate it properly, have another look. Tiptoety 18:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I took another look. You're right. If one is looking for certain subjects, like information about red light cameras, and crisis intervention services. I passed judgment based on finding bureau statistics, like the number of officers, patrol cars, etc. Is that on there somewhere? I haven't come across it yet, and it seems like one of those things that would have to be somewhere. —EncMstr 19:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, i see what you mean, no there is not a section on statistics, even though that would be nice. Tiptoety 22:09, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

On regard to the issue of withdrawing from the Anti-terrorism task force, the police bureau did not make that decision, but in fact the mayor made that decision city wide for all Law Enforcement agencys all of portland. I do not think it should be included on this page, but maybe on a page about the mayor himself. Tiptoety 18:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think I understand your viewpoint. Consider that a member of the public generally expects that police officers, captains, etc. would cooperate with the US Attorney General. If they do not, it is noteworthy for an article about the police force, even if it isn't their idea. Of course such a section is obligated to explain the how and why so it won't seem like police are sticks in the mud. In this case, I think the mayor was more in line with the U.S. Constitution than the Attorney General was. —EncMstr 19:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Is there an infobox for law enforcement agencies? Katr67 03:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I added it. Can someone find values for "motto", "supervisor", "CSO", "jails", "helicopters", "stations", "policeboats", and the rest? —EncMstr 04:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, i work for the police bureau and can add that info for you, the supervisor part may be a bit hard, as the bureau has over 70 supervisors. Tiptoety 18:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, question, the bureau has no "helicopters, but it does have 3 planes, can i just substitue the word "helicopter" for the word "planes"? Tiptoety 19:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Tiptoety 18:15, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

cut from article

I cut this item from the article for not being enlightening:

The mission of the Portland Police Bureau is to reduce crime and the fear of crime by working with all citizens to preserve life, maintain human rights, protect property, and promote individual responsibility and community commitment.^[1]

^ "Mission Statement".

Feel free to put it back if you want. —EncMstr 04:50, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thats fine. Tiptoety 22:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sheriff

Hey, i saw that a user rm the info about the sheriff of multnomah county from the infobox. I would like to have it back, but am not sure what everyone else thinks. Tiptoety 18:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tiptoety, the Sheriff is a County position, and as I understand it has no direct connection to the PPB whatsoever. I think including him in the infobox gives the inaccurate impression of a connection, and it's probably best left out. -Pete 18:54, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, i am aware it is a county position, but if you and other users believe it should be left out than i am fine with that. Thank you, :) Tiptoety 22:35, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done

Geolinks

Does this article really need coordinates, and geolinks? It's not about a geographical entity. If people wonder where Portland is, the Portland, Oregon article has all that. -Pete 08:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I like the idea of Geo-links, it shows the location of Portland Police Central Precinct, which is helpfull. I do not think that it hurts anything by having it. I recomend keeping it. Tiptoety 18:48, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

weapons section

Lets make sure to cite sources before adding it to the article please, while i know that the information is correct, it does not make it acceptable to the community. I am going to work on finding some good sources, anyone is more than welcome to help! Tiptoety ^talk 19:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Al Gore investigation

Its seems very unclear to me as to why the investigation of a former Vice President of the United States of America for a felony is not mentioned in the history section of this article? It can't be BLP, since the citations are impeccable. It can't be Undue weight, since the person being investigated is a former VP and there were only two cited sentences. Is there another reason?--Jojhutton (talk) 19:58, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:UNDUE / WP:COATRACK Active Banana (talk) 21:25, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still very hard-pressed to understand how these apply, could you walk me through it please, rather than just adding links?--Jojhutton (talk) 21:35, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because they are simply investigating the case, that is kinda part of their, y'know, job description. What on earth is notable about them investigating a famous person? How does that have anything to do with their history? If the bar is set this low for inclusion, then Beverly Hills Police Department is going to be about a mile long, given the celebrity messes out there. Tarc (talk) 21:57, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Its clearly UNDUE weight and coatracking - how many felonies has this police department investigated in its history? And we are picking out one? The investigation (at least at this time) has no relevance to understanding the Portland Police Bureau. Should they massively screw up and get lots of publicity or become noted because of their stellar work on this case, then sure. But that aint the situation now. Active Banana (talk) 22:03, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, investigating was exactly what was written. There was nothing else implied in this other than that, nor was there anything implied in the NY Times, or ABC ciations that were used for verifiability. As far as investigating a famous person goes, all I can say is that Al Gore isn't just some random famous person. He is a former Vice President of the United States of America, and if we remember correctly, he came within a few hundred Dade County votes of becoming the President of the United States of America. Then let us remember that this isn't a normal Beverly Hills investigation into drunk driving or spousal abuse. This is an investigation of a felony, that carries with it lots and lots of jail time. No probation for this offense. You just can't compare it to what goes on in Hollywood.--Jojhutton (talk) 22:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lets remember this is an article about the Police Bureau, not about Al Gore. The Police Bureau opens thousands of investigations a year, some on "popular" cultural figures. If we were to include every investigation, the article would be sorely off-topic and miles in length. This specific case involving Gore would be more appropriate on Gore's article. Tiptoety ^talk 22:30, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioning this investigation tells the reader exactly nothing about the Portland Police Bureau except that a certain case happened to land in their lap. It's off topic. It's undue weight. It's blatant coatracking. If this turns into anything it will eventually be mentioned either in the Al Gore article or in an article of its own. Until then, nothing to see here, move along. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 05:53, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Transit Police

Footage at the bottom of this page ^[1] show PPB policemen controlling Occupy demonstration. They clearly show someone wearing a "Transit Police" vest. Is he part of the PPB or not? Paul, in Saudi (talk) 05:45, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the officer wearing the transit police vest is bearing a Portland Police patch on his shirt sleeve. That said, the "transit police" division is comprised of officers/deputies from the entire Portland metro, for additional details take a look at [16]. Tiptoety ^talk 08:06, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/11/occupy-portland-pepper-spray-woman.html

Source for mounted patrol

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/02/portlands_mounted_patrol_again.html

I would argue that Portland's mounted patrol unit could have its own article. --Another Believer _(Talk) 18:12, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Ranks

As I am a foreigner, it's not so clear to me, how you work here, so I put this on the talk page. The rank of chief of police is shown with 2 golden stars. On the homepage of the PPB, the new chief has 4 stars on her shoulders.Is this new? Should it be changed, or do the article only show ranks in general and not the actual PPB rank signs? TTsearch (talk) 08:37, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for PPA

Below are sources clipped from newspapers.com. There were 796 hits on that site for the search term "Portland Police Association", so I obviously only scratched the surface. Most below only mention PPA in passing, but there may be some useful bits in there somewhere... Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 18:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, super helpful! Also fascinating that not one of these sources is from Portland - perhaps newspapers.com isn't indexing Portland sources? I'll try to dig through these over the weekend. In addition, I'll access the Oregonian and the Oregon Journal through the Multnomah County Library site, and sum up what I find here. And open access local sources as well, like OPB, the Tribune, Willamette Week, the Mercury. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 22:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Lockley and Pete Forsyth: One more source, OPB's Think out Loud radio program today featured an interview with Darryl Turner, PPA president. Unfortunately, the audio recording and transcript have not been posted as of this writing, but it's often there within a few hours. You may find it useful? — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 20:43, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Grand'mere Eugene: -- thank you for that heads-up, and let me thank you (belatedly but kindly) for that previous list of PPA appearances. I hope to swing back this direction and work on it. There's a lot to talk about. Think Out Loud usually repeats in the evening, so I'll listen and maybe Mr. Turner will prove... inspirational. --Lockley (talk) 20:53, 20 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Commissioners

Great to have a list of police chiefs. I think a list of commissioners in charge of the bureau would be at least as relevant. I'll start compiling that info, and try to add to the article soon. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 22:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Jordan (politician) 1977-1981 (not mayor)^[1]^[2]
Bud Clark^[3] (Seven chiefs in four years^[4])
Vera Katz
Tom Potter
Dan Saltzman 2008-2010 (not mayor)^[5]
Sam Adams2010-2012^[6]^[7]
Charlie Hales
Ted Wheeler

References

^ Maynard, Rosemary (February 10, 1977). "Jordan dealt police in City Hall job shuffle". The Oregonian. p. 1.
^ Redden, Jim (October 14, 2014). "Police change has spotty history". Portland Tribune. Portland: Pamplin Media Group. Retrieved December 19, 2014.
^ OLIVER, GORDON; AMES, SARAH CARLIN (October 29, 1989). "CLARK'S LEADERSHIP SPURS CONTROVERSY". The Oregonian.
^ LONG, JAMES; COWEN, LAUREN (October 2, 1989). "FRUSTRATION, DISTRUST MOUNT AT POLICE BUREAU". The Oregonian.
^ LARABEE, MARK (December 16, 2008). "Adams will unveil city reorganization". The Oregonian.
^ SCHMIDT, BRAD (October 24, 2010). "Saltzman has time on hands". The Oregonian.
^ Frank, Ryan (December 29, 2010). "City Hall's 5 most memorable stories from 2010". The Oregonian.

Lack of content 1930s-1960s

It was brought to my attention in a conversation on the social media site Reddit that there is not very much content on the history of this department between the 30s and 60s. I mention this here both to collect sources on the topic and to let folks know that inexperienced good-faith editors may be heading in this direction.

"On the Murder of Rickey Johnson": the Portland Police Bureau, Deadly Force, and the Struggle for Civil Rights in Oregon, 1940 - 1975 (MA thesis, use for background info at most, probably largely to find additional citations)
L&K student resources
Black and Blue: Police-Community Relations in Portland's Albina District, 1964–1985 (Oregon Historical Quarterly)

Jlevi (talk) 20:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Other time periods

Here are some sources that might help more generally:

The Policing of Terrorism (Routledge, 2009, p.83-84)

The Portland Black Panthers: Empowering Albina and Remaking a City (University of Washington Press, 2016)

Jlevi (talk) 20:01, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of interest IP editors

Several IP editors including but not limited to the following are editing from City of Portland IP addresses.

--William Graham ^talk 02:28, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "Mission Statement".

[2] ttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/11/occupy-portland-pepper-spray-woman.html

[oreg-1977feb10-3] Maynard, Rosemary (February 10, 1977). "Jordan dealt police in City Hall job shuffle". The Oregonian. p. 1.

[4] Redden, Jim (October 14, 2014). "Police change has spotty history". Portland Tribune. Portland: Pamplin Media Group. Retrieved December 19, 2014.

[5] OLIVER, GORDON; AMES, SARAH CARLIN (October 29, 1989). "CLARK'S LEADERSHIP SPURS CONTROVERSY". The Oregonian.

[6] LONG, JAMES; COWEN, LAUREN (October 2, 1989). "FRUSTRATION, DISTRUST MOUNT AT POLICE BUREAU". The Oregonian.

[7] LARABEE, MARK (December 16, 2008). "Adams will unveil city reorganization". The Oregonian.

[8] SCHMIDT, BRAD (October 24, 2010). "Saltzman has time on hands". The Oregonian.

[9] Frank, Ryan (December 29, 2010). "City Hall's 5 most memorable stories from 2010". The Oregonian.

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