Talk:Pierre Roubertoux

Institute for Transgenesis

The French name for this institute is "Institut de Transgenose". I cannot find any corroboration that Roubertoux ever was director of this structure, only that he was director of one of its components. This document from a French governmental website lists Roubertoux (p. 191-192) as director of "URA1294 Génétique, Neurogénétique et Comportement", whereas on page 212 Roland MOTTA / Claude AUZANNEAU / Alain PUGET are listed as successive directors of the institute (under different names) for the period 1967-2007. This includes the period claimed in Roubertoux's CV (1ç95-2005), which seems to be an "embellishment". Given the foregoing, I propose to remove the me,tion of this directorship until confirmatioon in a reliable source can be found. --Randykitty (talk) 00:11, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Would this be considered a reliable source? It does say that Roubertoux "...founded the research laboratory on "Genetics, Neurogenetics and Behaviour" at the CNRS in Paris, later transferred to the Institute for Transgenesis, at Orléans, and which he directed for 18 years." IntoThinAir (talk) 02:39, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Usually, such meeting announcements use information provided by the speakers themselves. Also, that phrase can be read as that he directed the "Genetics, Neurogenetics and Behaviour" lab for 18 years (which that document above confirms), not the (larger) Institute. Note that this blurb also says that he left the Institute in Orleans in 2001, not 2005 as the CV says, so we have contradictory info here... --Randykitty (talk) 07:26, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

This is an odd situation; normally one's own CV can be considered reliable per WP:BLPSELFPUB, but in this case the material may be "unduly self-serving"--certainly this would be so if he is exaggerating or even lying about his experience as you seem to be claiming. But I will remove the "Institute for Transgenesis" from the article. But now we have to ask how much of the CV (if any) we can consider reliable... IntoThinAir (talk) 00:28, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Darn! I was writing a long response and then stupidly closed the tab, so I lost it all... I'll try to reconstruct. Meanwhile, I found two more sources, less positive as the case may be: [1], [2] (they're in French). OK, back to the above. I agree that usually a CV can be taken as a source for neutral info, but this one appears to be the exception. It's pretty sloppy, replete with typos and grammatical errors, but also contradictions and clear mistakes. For example, under society membership is listed a society that doesn't exist anymore (with a typo in its name), the "European Neurosciences Association", the predecessor of the Federation of European Neuroscience Societies (of which you cannot become an individual member). It also lists the non-existent "American Society of Neurosciences" (I assume that the Society for Neuroscience is meant). Of course, society memberships are rather trivial (all one needs to do is pay the membership fee), so I wouldn't even mention it in the article (unless they are "fellow" or something like that). Under "Selected invited conferences" is listed under 1998: "European society for the study of behavior: Relationships between genes and brain functioning in the post genome area (Parma, Italia, July, 2003)". Whether this is misplaced under 1998 or whether the 2003 is a typo remains unclear, because Googling "European society for the study of behavior" renders exactly one result: this CV... There's the scientific committee of the Fondation Jérôme Lejeune. On P 3 he claims to be a member since 2003, on P 2 it's 2002. On the FOundation's website, he's not listed anymore, so at best, his CV is also outdated. As for when he left Orleans, we have 2005 or 20011 (see above), and here we have 2004... Take your pick... However, the latter link also shows us 2 things that might be added to the article. A book written by him as sole author (Existe-t-il des gènes du comportement ? published by Odile Jacob, not mentioned in the CV) and Wagner dramaturge, recherche sur les éléments lyriques dans la dramaturgie de Wagner, for something completely different :-). His CV also lists "Organism models of pervasive neuro developmental disorders and autism, In Press, Springer, New York (20013)" (sic), which was published almost 18,000 years before that in 2015 (with a different title: Organism Models of Autism Spectrum Disorders; first time I see the expression "organism models"...) and might also be mentioned in the article.

In short, it's best to be careful with CVs. I think it can be used without problem to establish place/year of birth (why lie about that) and to identify publications that the person authored, if the complete references are given and it not just summarily states over 200 publications. Anything else should be carefully checked. Ok, going to save this now before I lose it all again... :-) --Randykitty (talk) 16:27, 23 January 2019 (UTC)