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Death

> Philip Lynott did not die in Ireland, he died in England

> He also did not died from an overdose it was the results of using drugs over a long period! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.236.117.2 (talk) 11:27, 30 December 2004 (UTC)

If those parts of the article are true, then you should edit the article instead of adding a discussion page... its ok to make corrections to article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madelinerock (talk • contribs) 02:04, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

>He died from a total body shut down. I was watching a documentary dvd and they had an interview about it with his mother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.135.45 (talk) 16:41, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Kew, is a suburb of Richmond, and is in Surrey. Lynott overdosed at his home, Pagoda House, which is virtually opposite the nearest pedestrian entrance to Kew Gardens if you arrive at Richmond Station. I have been to the house on many occasions.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Corbynz (talk • contribs) 17:45, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Kew is in the London Borough of Richmond, part of Greater London - just check the article. Got a source for Pagoda House? When Lynott bought it, 184 Kew Road was known as "Walled Cottage". What it's called now is not relevant to the article. Bretonbanquet (talk) 17:57, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I lived in Richmond for 25 years and although it is now technically a borough of Greater London virtually everybody there still refers to it as Richmond, Surrey. Also checkout your reference (4) on the main Wiki page which links to the BBC report of his death. It refers to his "home in Surrey" and also refers to "Richmond, Surrey".

http://www.guidetorichmond.co.uk/

http://www.a1tourism.com/uk/richmond-surrey.html

http://www.visitrichmond.co.uk/thedms.asp?dms=12&areaid=40&msg=browsing%24%24event%24events%24%24in%20Richmond

My source for Pagoda House, 184 Kew Rd, is that a friend of mine has owned it for the last 18 years and I have been there on more than 100 occasions. It is also a 4/5 Bed detached house, not a mansion, and there is a studio in the back garden which Lynott built for rehearsals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Corbynz (talk • contribs) 18:32, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, "technically" is what we're interested in as an encyclopedia, not what some people still refer to it as. Two of your three sources even clearly state "London Borough". It hasn't been part of Surrey since 1965, when the Municipal Borough of Richmond was abolished.
The BBC article is not mine by any means, and is inaccurate on a couple of things, not just in saying that Richmond is in Surrey, which it is not. It also says the house is a "mansion", which you have already established is misleading. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:58, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Eighteen years take us back to 1991, and we're talking about the first half of the 80s. The current name of the house is not relevant to Lynott in any way, and I have a book source to say that it was called "Walled Cottage" when Lynott bought it. The term "mansion" doesn't seem to apply, for sure, and the studio was indeed built by Lynott for demo recording and general rehearsal use. I suggest reverting to the previous version, without the "mansion" term being used. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:58, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
I've reverted for now, mainly since any discussion about the whereabouts of Richmond should take place at the relevant article talk pages, not here. If Kew is changed to suit your argument, likewise Richmond, London, then we can change it here too. Regarding the name of the house, I don't think it's particularly notable, but if a source for "Walled Cottage" is required, then I can add it as the name of the house at that time. I've kept out the "mansion" reference. Bretonbanquet (talk) 04:11, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Born?

Anyone no what hospital he was born in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fenian Swine (talk • contribs) 15:48, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Looks like it was Halham Hospital in West Bromwich, but the evidence is thin. --216.52.22.131 09:32, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Nationality?

My evidence is that he was born in England making him English.--Play Brian Moore 21:39, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

This is incorrect. Please read Irish nationality law. Demiurge 21:38, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
(S)so, should i (I) change Noel and Liam Gallagher, Wayne Rooney and Steven Gerrard as well?--Play Brian Moore 21:41, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
THATS SO DUMB HE WAS BORN OF AN IRISH MOTHER AND A BRAZILIAN FATHER NOW HOW THE HELL DOES THAT MAKE HIM ENGLISH? HE HAD NO ENGLISH IN HIM WHATS SO EVER

PLUS HE WAS ONLY IN ENGLAND FOR AWHILE AND WAS BROUGHT UP IN DUBLIN..AND IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HIM OR HIS MUSIC,SONG WRITING,YOU WOULD CLEARLY KNOW HE WAS A PROUD IRISH MAN AND SAYS SO OVER AND OVER...HE LOVED EVERTHING IRISH,THE HISTORY...THE FOLKLORE HE WAS AND IS IRISH END OFF...PROUD IRISH FENIAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.2.130 (talk) 00:38, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

(H)he was english if he was born in England. Although he may be a member of the Irish diaspora he is still English by birth and therefore this category should be removed.--Play Brian Moore 15:54, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
He is English if he is of English extraction and travelled on a British passport. If he is of Irish extraction and travelled on an Irish passport then he would generally be held to be Irish. --Sf 16:01, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
He might be English by birth but he is Irish by descent, as Demiurge has pointed out. Phil Lynott is an Irishman, give it a rest Fenian. And don't prattle on about IP users, we are more accountable than you logged in users lurking behind user names and aliases. If you have any capability with WHOIS, ARIN and RIPE you can track me down in 5 minutes, and you are welcome at my door bearing some Guinness. --81.79.235.12 16:48, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
WHere did i (I) prattle on about IP users?. You have just admitted (that) he is English by birth making him (E)english. None of your arguments make sense.--Play Brian Moore 17:25, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
You make the point beautifully with your own English link Fenian. If it's good enough for the football team, it's good enough for Lynott, a fine Irish musician. --81.76.56.140 05:41, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


Mine's a Guinness, let's drink to a damn fine Irish musician, pity he couldn't play football as well. --81.77.40.200 14:54, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

My cat, Mr Tibbs, is Irish too even though he was born in Liverpool. His grandcat/dad, Banjo, emigrated from Dublin with my mum in the 1980s. He can't play football or the bass guitar but is pretty good at catching mice and birds. Does he qualify for anything? I think he likes Guinness too. --213.2.186.82 15:53, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
Indeed he is: a Cat amongst Cats, the Spartacus of Cats. Unfortunately Mr Tibbs does not speak. He pledged a vow of silence in honour of his grandcat/dad Banjo who lost his voice whilst incarcerated in quarantine (without trial) by the British authorities. I admire his idealogical stand and support his right not to speak. I guess this rules him out of the position of lead vocalist as well? Anyway, when I watch his little whiskers as he mouths the words, I would say it is more of a 'Miyoiy' than a 'Meow'. OMG, does this mean his blood is tainted? --213.81.187.141 11:51, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
(S)so you are saying that technically (P)phil (L)lynott is, in fact, British. unsigned message by User:Fenian Swine
  • Mr Tibbs said no such thing Fenian. What worries me is that he (Mr Tibbs) may have some blood from the north and may have to be neutered after all. Does anyone know the international sign language for "your knackers have to be chopped off". It's only right that he knows in advance. --213.2.186.82 09:03, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't but he is english. Also(,) any more modern examples of Irish people wanting to be (E)english. unsigned message by User:Fenian Swine
I have just asked Mr Tibbs for his opinion. After he finished his mouse, I watched his tiny little whiskers twitch as he mouthed his reply and I detected the words "Phil was Irish". Looks like that's it then, end of story. I haven't had the heart to give him the bad news yet about his impending visit to the vet. --213.2.186.82 09:12, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
ChrisRed makes a good point. Does anybody know which passport Phil used when he was touring? Somebody could ask previous band members if they have any contacts. Just a thought. I agree though that he is quintessentially Irish and qualifies as such by descent. Mr Tibbs is right ;) --Meiers Twins 09:45, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Yep, how did Phil regard himself? I am sure he considered himself Irish, and he probably toured on an Irish passport. This whole discussion is redundant, Phil was Irish. --Meiers Twins 18:03, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
(I)in an english kind of way.--Play Brian Moore 16:09, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

What about the inclusion of Category:Irish British people at the bottom of the page. Other people on the list include Shane MacGowan and Terry Wogan.--Play Brian Moore 21:18, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Mr Tibbs thinks this is a bad idea and is idealogically appalled at the political U-Turn by Mr Fenian. Most of the people in that category have some ancestral Irish heritage, but remained in Britain and would generally be regarded as British. Phil did the opposite and embraced Ireland when he was young and he is generally regarded as Irish. Some of the names on the list are pretty tenous, but Mr Fenian is now saying that some remote Irish ancestry qualifies them as being Irish, but he argued against this for Phil. I can tell you that Mr Tibbs tiny little whiskers were going ten to the dozen as he told me this, and he has now gone to lie down. I have not told him the bad news yet about his visit to the vet. --213.2.186.82 08:16, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Lynott or Shane McGabhan are not Irish. Terry Wogan is. Although he is a gobshite and supports the enemy in the Eurovision song contest, he was still born in Ireland. Thin Lizzy are an Irish banned (band) formed in Dublin.--Play Brian Moore 19:13, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Just for the record, how do you pronounce it?...'Linn-ott' or 'Lye-nott'? 65.213.215.153

'Lye-nott'.--Play Brian Moore 19:09, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
No. I wanted an answer from somebody who knows. All you know about is third-rate Irish football teams, and 'facts' gained from watching a wildly-inaccurate 'hollywoodized' biopic of Michael ('Ooh, I love to wrestle my men') Collins. After reading through your contributions to Wikipedia so far, they suggest that you are in fact a politically-immature teenage boy, with a 'troll' mentality, and therefore have nothing to say.

Now...how do you pronounce it?.

Well, Mr Tibbs understands your opinion of Mr Swine (and privately agrees) but has asked that you refrain from personal attacks. He also told me that Phil's name is pronounced 'Lye-nott', and Mr Tibbs should know, being the world's smartest cat. I told him he would be going to the vet next week for his Asian bird flu vaccination. His whiskers immediately stopped twitching and his tiny little paws became quite clammy. Mr Tibbs would also like to congratulate Terry Wogan on his remarkable recovery after being still born. --80.58.3.172 12:40, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
Actually I have loads to say. Firstly (,) if there is a choice between Collins and 'Dev' then it will always be Collins. I have read up on the subject and deValera is what an immature teenage boy, with a 'troll' mentality, like myself, would called a giant hypocritical pussé (pussy). I'm wise beyond my years but I would'nt (wouldn't) expect some (somebody) in the mould of dev(a pussy), someone who hides behind different ip address' (I.P. addresses) every time they comment, to understand that. And for the record the Eircom League is the best league in the world. Your (You're) one of these people who dosen't (doesn't) bother going to (E)eircom (L)league matches, probably because your head is so far up your arse you would'nt (wouldn't) be able to see the match, or maybe you think watching other leagues is better. And finally it is pronounced 'Lye-nott'. Just because PL is british, (British) dosen't (doesn't) mean I don't like Irish band Thin Lizzy. I was at the statue (statue's) unveiling on Harry Street. I know more about Lizzy than you(,) you ignorant b*stard. --Play Brian Moore 02:02, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Who are you talking to Brian? Phil is Irish, the article correctly categorises him as an Irish Musician and that's the concensus in this discussion here. Learn to live with disappointment and accept that sometimes you are wrong, it's all part of growing up. And finally, please stop prattling on about IP users, as you seem to make quite a few anonymous edits yourself. --169.139.177.49 10:04, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Im talking to you. I never make anonymous edits. Your (You're) wrong. I accept that Phil is English and that this article is incorrect.--Play Brian Moore 00:02, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Looks to me like you are probably talking to 65.213.215.153 (talk · contribs) as amended by 80.43.32.133. I, and most of the other contriutors here, accept that Phil was Irish and the article is correct. --169.139.177.49 09:41, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Time to wrap this up I think. Looks to me like the general position that he is Irish and the cat should remain. --84.65.40.225 17:02, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

To 'Play Brian Moore' - Did you never go to school; or is English your second language?.
I apoligise that I'm not infallible. At least I'm right about British artist Phil Lye-nott Lynott. Born in England, he is English. Of course a bunch of Irish Lizzy fans are going to be bias(ed) and try and claim Phil as an Irishman. So it turns out your(you're) also uninfallible .--Play Brian Moore 23:57, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
I think us Irish like to think of Phil as Irish because we are proud to have him as a fellow Irishman. Similarly, we wish you were from Upper Bangoolooland. Mind how you go...... 65.213.215.153
Well tough, I'm not. I'm from the Republic of Ireland. I'm shocked to hear that all the inhabitants of Ireland want me to be from Upper Bangoolooland. Do you have stats to prove your assesment(assessment)? I'm actually Irish, while Lye-nott is not. Don't mind how you go......
No, really, mind how you go, young Tunney. Trust me. You live in the wrong place to go upsetting too many people. When you go to college tomorrow, look at the faces around you. Several do not like you - one has betrayed you.
I couldnt trust you in general. While we all know Tunney was all those trolls who I was fighting with, if that is what ur referring to.
You must view the world through stupid-coloured spectacles. Just check the edit history times. There is 'you', and there is 'Tunney', but never at the same time :-). I'll leave a space for you to post a reply to yourself.65.213.215.158


You really are an idiot. I bet you any amount of money I'm not Tunney. Get an administrator to check IP address' (addresses) if you wish and I will have your humble pie ready for you when you come back. I'm talking to Tunney on MSN messenger now. I'll get him to log in and prove you wrong.
Hah, if Mr "I may be wise beyond my years but I'm only 15 (just like Tunney), and always have to have the last word" Swine was born in Upper Bangoolooland to Irish parents he would be Irish .. stop, wait, hold on, no he wouldn't by his own flawed logic - he'd be Upper Bangooloolish. Where is that anyway, can't find the article. --72.3.248.68 17:18, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Aha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. You, my friend*, are a comedy legend. k(K)eep up the good work.--Play Brian Moore 23:44, 1 November 2005 (UTC) *not really
But I was your only friend Tunney, now you have none left, boo hoo. --72.3.248.68 08:13, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with "Play Brain Moore"(.) Philo counts himself as an Irishman and so do I.Tunney 23:36, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Ha. The Fenian was right yet again. I'm not tunney. Tunney, you know as well as I do , that he is British.--Play Brian Moore 23:38, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
One thing is sure: you have the same English "teacher" ;-) You used to get put away for going around talking to yourself, until the Bluetooth earphone came along. 65.213.215.158
(in a high pitched voice from stage left) "Yeah Brian, let me log back in to reply to us". This proves nothing, Fenian/Brian/Swine/Dave/Tunney are all the same person, clearly. Anyone can log out and back in with a new sock to post a new "contradictory" message with the same time stamp. I think Swine and Tunney need to have a spelling and grammar test, independantly verified for damning similarities:
i am appauled that St Dildo's has such poor standards in teaching spelling,puntuation,mising spaces,poor captelisation.you no what i mean,this is a rebuttle--211.19.237.121 12:31, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
211 - Nice one. More proof that wit is the highest form of sarcasm :-) 65.213.215.153
Nice one. All [of] your edit's [edits] since my last edit proove [prove] to me that you people are the most intelligent people wiki [Wiki] has ever seen. You're [Wow! he got one right!] also the most funny and mature. St. Dildo's college. [Eh!] I literally could'nt [couldn't] stop laughing after I read this. How do you guys come up with such original material. If you can't figure out that Tunney and I [me] are different people [,] then you should visit that big building in Dundrum and they will sort you out.--Play Brian Moore 00:30, 4 November 2005 (UTC) (or should I say Tunney <sarcasm>(the undoubted highest form of wit))
[Oh dear. The English teacher hasn't got any better, has he?]
Let's face it. Your maturity and your English fall well below the standard required to be either a coherent Irishman or a contributor to Wikipedia. I am a medium-sized employer near Dublin: If you wrote an application to me with your standard of literacy, you would be very lucky to get a job emptying the wheelie-bins Northside. Now go and play GTA on your X-Box instead. I know that if the name 'Tunney' and 'Goatstown' ever crosses my desk, the letter will never make it past the waste paper bin, and I'm wondering if I should put "St Dildo's" on the same blacklist if you are typical of its students. 80.43.43.89
Wait. You say you're from the Northside. That presumably means you own some sort of button factory meaning I wouldn't be going near it with a 10 foot pole. Your're more than welcome to throw letters from Tunney away because I am not him. PS2 is far better than xbox(for arguments sake) and finally, you will never stop me ediiting wiki and calling the British Empire's premier black singer, from the late 70's through to the early 80's, british because he is.
Glad you have had pleasure from St Dildo, Brian. We like to keep you and 'Dave' entertained, as you do us with your creative 'neo-futurist' use of English. Now, back to the point at hand, what is your cogent argument in response to the evidence in Irish nationality law that Phil was legally entitled to Irish nationality. Do you have any evidence that he did not embrace this option which was open to him, and if so would you like to present it here? If not, I suggest you do not post further distractions. --203.162.168.190 20:22, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

You never learn, do you. DO NOT FEED TROLLS!!!! The nerd wasn't born until years after Phil died, he has never mentioned anything about Phil other than where his Irish Mum happened to be when he decided to put in an appearance, and the acne-ridden ............. probably doesn't have a single Lizzy/Phil recording in his house. For Christ's sake just totally ignore him and he will go somewhere else. 212.139.44.41


I have lizzy (Lizzy) album's (albums). Thin Lizzy are an Irish band(formed in Dublin). Phil is not Irish. Born in England to a Brazillian (Brazilian) father. Also, get your facts right. I added the bit about the statue to this article. You are stupid and ignorant. I'm a Lizzy fan. PL was a great musician but he is not Irish. Get over it you stupid, thick gobshite.


Even a spotty teenaged one. More dry British humour. Where do you brits get off slagging Irish people. ("Fenian Swine/Tunney")


So, you are saying that Brian / Dave is in fact a PFY --209.68.139.10 06:51, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Jesus you people are stupid. Are two people who know each other in real life not both allowed to contribute to this site without being taunted and abused (?). We may agree on some subjects but not this one. You don't have a clue. Philo is Irish and he is a national hero(Look at our great statue for example). Tunney 15:13, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Tunney/Fenian/Moore - Sorry, but as you can see, further postings by you to this page are now pointless. You only troll to provoke a response, but you will get none. The Phil fans here have all 'sent you to Coventry'. Squeeze your spots, then go somewhere else. Well done everybody. 80.43.5.65

That comment makes f**k all sense. 'Send US to coventry', explain this comment you're all close-minded a**eholes. Tunney] 00:09, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Squeeze your spots. Brilliant. You're old. Go squeeze your prostate.--User:Fenian Swine 00:46, 6 November 2005 (UTC

Bran Philo is Irish "Get over it you stupid, thick gobshite." User:Davetunney 00:56, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Start stupid teenage formatting. Brian / Tunney / 81.76.56.140 / Byrne's Sister, will you just SHUT THE F*CK UP(shut the f*ck up). Brian, you are WRONG(wrong),(.) a(A)ccept it,(.) n(N)o amount of bleating, tantrum throwing and name calling will change that. And stop using your alter ego to fan the flames. This is boring so(.) SHUT THE F*CK UP(shut the fuck up).81.77.179.199 10:23, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

I am right. Irish Lizzy fans are clearly biased in relation to Phil's nationality. Anyone, because a general concencious has been met, I feel that this argument is pointless. It is basically just personal attacks at this stage. So, although it is wrong, I will not edit the article.--Play Brian Moore 22:14, 6 November 2005 (UTC)


Check the IP adresses, we are different people, we just know each other in real life! Anyway this is beside the point, I believe it has been comprehensively proven that Phil is Irish and a majority of us agree. Tunney 17:24, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Well said Tunney. Time to stop this ridiculous tit for tat conversation, Tunney is to be congratulated for his maturity here, let's move on people and find a new image for Phil. --Meiers Twins 18:43, 6 November 2005 (UTC)


Wait. Are you trying to say this guy is a huge hypocrite?--Play Brian Moore 22:14, 6 November 2005 (UTC)


WHY NOT, when discussing LYNOTT, listen to what Philo himself had to say on the subject. Search the archives of recorded interviews and similar for quotes as to how Phil described himself when it came to the issue of his nationality. One will find loads of references where he describes himself as Irish. I've never found a quote where he describes himself as anything other than Irish. I'm happy to take the man at his own words.

He was Irish, you horrible trolls! Just because a man was born in a stable does not make him a horse! Snappy56 21:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Should be where you were raised and where you learned your general values, not specifically where you were born (<not accountable for legal nationality, but true for national mentality)

He was raised in Britain and moved to Ireland. This makes him British-Irish, regardless of illogical laws of certain foreign countries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.41.79 (talk) 00:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

He was raised in Ireland, in fact, from the age of 4. He also had an Irish passport, though no doubt he was eligible for a British one. He identified as Irish and this is verifiable if necessary. That he was British or British-Irish would be, I suspect, very hard to verify reliably. Bretonbanquet (talk) 10:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


Where does it say that he moved to Ireland when he was 4? I can't find it anywhere on the net that says that. All it says is that he was raised in Manchester, and formed a band in Dublin. Could you please show me something that confirms that he was 4 when he moved to Ireland.

It does not matter what people consider themselves to be; people's individual opinions do not count as reliable wikipedia sources, even if it is the individual the article is about.

What we know is that he was born in Britain, raised in Britain for a considerable period of time and went to school in Britain. I also have this source here that considers him British. http://www.100greatblackbritons.com/bios/phil_lynot.html

These factors are pretty conclusive - he is indeed British-Irish, and the article should be corrected to address this fact.

In the book that Lynott's mother wrote - "My Boy: The Philip Lynott Story" - pp.47, after she explained why she decided to let her mother look after him in early 1954 - "I will never forget the morning I had to leave four-year-old Philip behind in Dublin, while I returned alone to Manchester." Hope this helps. So, what we know is that he lived in Manchester until he was four, and was from then on raised by the entirely Irish side of his family, in Dublin. He had no British blood at all, a very thick Irish accent, and did not leave Ireland for any great length of time until Thin Lizzy moved to London in the early 70s. Being born somewhere does not necessarily have any bearing on your nationality - after all, Cliff Richard is not Indian. If my mother had happened to be in France at the time of my birth, that would hardly make me any more French than I otherwise am.
The source you give is extremely weak. It says itself that Lynott had a Brazilian father and an Irish mother, and does not actually explain why it considers him to be British. Hence it is a very poor source for his Britishness. All that can be verified in that regard is that he was born in Britain, a fact which is not disputed. If you can provide a specific source to say that he is British-Irish, and more importantly why he might be British-Irish, we can discuss it. As I say, any number of sources can attribute to his Irishness, including the man himself, which is more of a reliable source than you think. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:47, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Regardless of your opinion of certain countries' nationality law, you can be an Irish citizen by descent, i.e. if one or both of your parents is Irish, then you are (or can be) an Irish citizen, as explained here. Given that he was an Irish citizen, born in Britain, that's all we need to describe him as. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:52, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

As a Brazilian, I'm offended that you are all claiming this fine Brazilian musician as Irish or British. Phil Lynott was Brazilian, as per Brazilian nationality law. His father was Brazilian, therefore Phil was Brazilian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.183.201 (talk) 11:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

No need to be offended, if you're being serious. Lynott may well have qualified as a Brazilian citizen, but he certainly never became one. That is unless you can find a reference... Bretonbanquet (talk) 12:05, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

First of all, to the guy claiming him to be Brazilian - I am actually offended by that rubbish. Just because your paretns were of a certain nationality does NOT mean you are. Same goes if you have an Irish parent, that does NOT make you Irish.

What makes you the nationality that you are is where you were raised and what citizenship you ACTUALLY are. Because of that (and the fact that I've researched the source Bretonbanquet has given and it's true that he moved to Ireland when he was 4), he is indeed Irish.

But to the Brazilian - he was born in Britain, raised there for 4 years, and then immigrated to Ireland. He then lived there for the rest of his life, went to school there. Ireland (and to a small degree Britain) influenced every aspect of him, from his accent to his personality. It's the country that gave him a home, a job and a life. It's what he considered himself to be. Brazil had NOTHING to do with him throughout his entire life.

This is why certain aspects of certain nationality laws (eg. Brazil's, Ireland's) are disregarded by sensible people and are not considered. Brazil's and Ireland's nationality laws now conflict - hence why we ignore them. Remember, nationality is NOT ethnicity, it is NOT hereditary. It is not in the blood, it is not a physical thing like race.

So in conclusion, Ireland has a very strong claim on Lynot, Britain has a weak one, and Brazil has no claim whatsoever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.92.38 (talk) 17:14, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm Irish, but if he was born in the UK he was British?Jordan353 (talk) 17:00, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Birthplace hasn't necessarily got anything to do with nationality or citizenship. Bretonbanquet (talk) 17:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Going by this logic Joe Strummer was actually Turkish, seeing as he was born in Turkey... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.224.137.121 (talk) 02:22, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

If a pig is born in a stable, does it make it a horse? Norum 17:39, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

This is a really stupid discussion, his mother was born in Ireland which made him an Irish citizen by decent, he was perfectly legally entitled to call himself Irish, if he had an Irish passport it would have said "Irish/Éireannach" in the nationality field regardless of where he was born. Being born abroad did not change his Irish nationality. Along the same lines of nationality and birthplace being two separate things,children born in Ireland cant get Irish citizenship unless one of their parents is an Irish or has lived here for 3 years before the birth of the child this would have made him more "Irish" than many children born in Ireland to foreign parents. 109.125.41.58 (talk) 04:30, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Hendrix Movie?

ChrisRed previously wrote: A few months before he died, I remember reading (probably in the NME or Melody Maker) that Phil Lynott was once pencilled-in to appear in a possible biopic of Jimi Hendrix. The article remarked that Phil was second choice, as this role had already proven a 'poisoned chalice' to one other black musician, and sure enough a few months later Phil died too. Presumably the project was then abandoned, but does anybody have any record of this, and who was the other musician?

Could you please enlighten us with the info you got elsewhere Chris. Thanks. --Meiers Twins 09:02, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, oh well, never mind. --Meiers Twins 15:37, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Phil Movie!

American 'CSI' actor Gary Dourdan was interviewed by Steve Wright on BBC Radio 2 today, and he revealed that he is 'earmarked' to play Phil Lynott in a movie. He has already met Philomena, and gone for a tour of Phil's haunts in Ireland, so maybe we have a treat in store. Fingers crossed!. It's near the end of the show if you want to listen for yourself on the BBC 'Listen Again' site. About 2Hrs 35 into the show. ('Today' is Friday, by the way). You will be able to listen only until Thursday 10/11/05.ChrisRed 16:55, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

About 10 years ago Alan Parker (Director of 'The Commitments') was rumoured to be interested in the story for movie purposes. This was at a time when Irish-themed movies were getting the green light in Hollywood. My guess is that Parker saw the possibilities of getting the project up, given the success of his previous movie on the Dublin music scene. There was also talk of an option being purchased on Philomena's book 'My Boy' (not necessarily by Parker). Does anyone know who eventually purchased the option on 'My Boy' or know of anyone else developing a script? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.213.61.28 (talk) 17:18, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

??????

Yeah why was it deleted? Somebody put it back, it was a fine photo. Tunney 17:26, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
It didn't have any information on the source and thus couldn't be verified as free from copyright problems. Looks like it has been deleted by an Admin and will therefore not be recoverable or useable. Let's get a new one. --Meiers Twins 18:46, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Iv'e restored Phils photo. --Play Brian Moore 20:05, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Don't worry Red. You didn't ageree with me. You agreed with a troll. There is a huge difference between a troll and myself


Phil is Back in Town

Good to see Phil back on the main article page, well done Fenian. Do you have the source info so that some trigger happy admin doesn't come back and delete it again? If not can anyone else track it down? --Meiers Twins 15:38, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Location of statue

The statue is on Harry Street off Grafton Street, not Henry Street which is about a kilometer away on the other side of the Liffey. [1] Demiurge 09:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. :-S Rufous 14:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Just thought I'd mention that some scumbag inbreds stole the memorial stone that was paid for by Phils friends and placed on on his grave at St.Fintans cemetary. Lets hope all involved in the theft are bludgened to death with said object. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.251.237 (talk) 19:59, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Thin Lizzy playing together live for the first time in 19 years

Thin Lizzy have played regularly for years, the fact above is completely wrong.

I won't dispute your thought. John Sykes and Scott Gorham have been touring under the name Thin Lizzy for a long time. But your edit left behind half a sentence that is very confusing in respect to the rest of the paragraph. Perhaps if it said: The attending Thin Lizzy members paid tribute with a live performance....or something like that. At least it would give closure to the whole paragraph. Anger22 14:16, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Made the change. Also found this confusing. Tomtefarbror 00:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Phil's da

Ok, at present the article reads like this:

"some say the son of a black Brazilian father, named Parris ... "His father left his mother just three weeks after he was born and returned to his native Brazil ... His father was in fact Spanish"

and we have Phil's Spanish father returning to his native Brazil. I've never him told as Spanish before; seem to remember an album sleeve telling me he was Brazilian & unless someone can provide a citation, think this needs deleting. Either way the paragraph will need to be edited. Dave 01:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Philip's father was Brazilian. His name was Cecil Parris, I think. If his father had been Spanish, Philip wouldn't have been black. They did meet a few times in the late 70s, but I'm not sure they clicked particularly well. I don't have the source with me at the moment so I can't check it for sure. Bretonbanquet 10:45, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

You state: "If his father had been Spanish, Philip wouldn't have been black." Have you ever heard of the Moors - remember 'El Cid' the old cinema classic? Did you know you can see the African coast from Spain? Do you really expect the rest of us to believe that in the thousands of years of human occupation on both continents that no-one ever thought of sailing from one side to the other? Please read some Spanish history (while listening to Thin Lizzy, of course).

Phil's father was not Brazilian. He was Spanish. I am not at liberty to divulge my sources, but I know my information is correct and my informant reliable. You are free to go on believing what you want. Frankly, I don't care. But isn't it odd that, as Phil loved soccer so much, he never made much of his Brazilian parentage in interviews... nor did he mention Brazil much in his music, or sing any odd little bits of Portuguese. Now those of you who really know you're Lizzy/Lynott are already running off all the Spanish references in your head, aren't you? As for any "evidence" you think you saw on an album cover... album covers are written by publicists. They're not always true... In fact, if true stories about one's client start getting into print, one is not doing one's job as a publicist very well. Who knew he had problems when he was alive? It wasn't in the papers. But any time he was out and about at film openings or fashion shows, that sort of stuff did get in the papers - you know the kind of thing, pictures of Phil partying with some celebrity or model etc. It's the way the business works. It's about projecting an image. In fact, the gap between image and reality, and Phil's own attempts (I'm told by those close to him) to live up to his own rock-star image, are part of the compexity of his story. It's nice that you think rock stars are so honest on their album covers. Do you still believe the touring lead singer of the band when she or he tells you how much they love playing (insert the name of your city) and that you are the best audience ever? Aw, that's nice if you do. You live in a nice world. Being lead singer in a rock band is an act, a role that is being played by someone with all the "sincerity" they can muster. Publicists and journalists make up stories about famous people - it's all part of the game. The "Brazilian father" stuff is just such a myth. It served its purpose... no-one asked him much about it afterwards in interviews, swallowing it whole as a fact. But it just wasn't true.

Please sign your edits. I'm sure you won't be surprised if no-one places any value in your unsigned, unsourced and as such worthless comments, especially given your patronising tone. As for the Spanish / Moors, I am sure I've studied Spanish history for a lot longer than you have, having lived and studied there for several years. Whatever you learned from watching American films, rest assured that you are incorrect in your beliefs. Unlike you, I won't offend you by explaining it all - I guess you should just "read some Spanish history"... Bretonbanquet 21:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
and thanks for vandalising my user page - very adult of you. It got reverted before I even saw it, and now it's even more clear that you're clueless. Bretonbanquet 21:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/122200 See this link for references to Phil's Da, with sources that are attributed. It seems the Brazilian father stuff was just a myth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.185.36.213 (talk) 02:21, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

This is already in the article, and hopefully the various conflicting sources are explained as clearly as possible. It's impossible to please everyone though, as the disagreement is quite stark between Phil's mother and Cecil Parris's wife. I know who I'm inclined to believe, but Wikipedia dictates we have to include both views if they are sourced properly. It's a pain because one of them is clearly wrong :/ Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:28, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Marriage/children

"Also in 1980 he married Caroline, the daughter of British comedian, Leslie Crowther and they had a child, Sarah. That year she also gave birth to their second baby daughter, Cathleen." - two kids in obne year seems keen ? -- Beardo 05:10, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Sarah was born prior to 1980. After all, he wrote a song about her in 1979, so unless he was a clairvoyant, we can assume she was already born by then. The song he wrote for Cathleen was released in 1982, but I have a feeling she was born in 1981. Not sure though, so I edited the article to make sense till someone (or me) finds out for sure. Bretonbanquet 11:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Turns out he had a son too. http://www.independent.ie/national-news/lynott-sons-joy-as-phils-family-recognise-him-2272443.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.140.218.118 (talk) 14:41, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I've added that, after the bit about Caroline and the daughters, which probably isn't ideal. It would be better if there was a separate section for his personal life. Scolaire (talk) 18:58, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Pronounciation

Some-one added "Lie-net" - is there any way of finding a definitive sourced answer ? -- Beardo 16:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

That is more or less right. I recall reading somewhere a quote from Lynott, in which he said, "It's pronounced 'Loi-nott', because I tell no lois". I guess the point is that it's not "Linnot", which is a common mis-pronounciation. Not sure where you'd source it from though. Bretonbanquet 16:20, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
OK - Lie-nott perhaps, but Lie-net ? -- Beardo
Well, not with the 'e' of 'net' with its full sound. If it was pronounced unstressed and toneless (with a schwa sound) then maybe. But really we need a phonetic transcription, which I don't know how to do :o( Bretonbanquet 17:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Philip was asked this question and said 'Lynott as in If not, Why Not?'  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.55.8.36 (talk) 07:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Last words

I have added a small part to the end of Phil Lynotts death area. It pertains to the last words he spoke. I cannot find a site to citate for it. I do know he said that because on two DVD documentaries I own about him his mother talks about him and tells the viewer the last words Phil said.Satanical Eve 10:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

bass playing?

it would be nice if there was some information about his bass playing like the types of guitars he uses and so on and so forth. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Curefreak (talk • contribs) 19:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC).

There is information regarding his models of bass guitar, though none of it has been sourced. I'm wondering where, outside of video sources, one could find a definitive list. Fred.Pendleton (talk) 04:50, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

but the soft issues

I agree with the point above that Lynott played great bass guitar (dancing in the moonlight is just sublime - fender precision bass put through a phase pedal - probably boss - no I have no citations but having played bass for a long time that is what I think it is - there may even have been a chorus pedal too) - though - please get over all the previous arguments - understand what this man did for irish music even if he had been born in iceland - his place of birth doesnt matter - what matters is he appeared on the scene in irish music when the only way to progress as an Irish musician was to form a (bad) showband and tour in a transit van around bad english nightclubs doing covers of rubbish music and hoping to get noticed for the few of your original songs that the a&r men heard or playing "plastic Paddy diddly - i - di " rubbish". Lynott helped establish Ireland as a strong and inventive music base where people then started to come to so they could spot talent rather than the talent having to flog itself around the rest of the UK. Of course U2 without a doubt took it to massively higher heights but without Lizzy having set the intiial scene i doubt that they would have been the sucess that they currently (and I have to say justifably are) - at the end of the of the day Lynott decided to identify himself as an irish performer which then inspired a generation of great and on the other side too, rubbshily inspired people - I mean you could spend the next ten paragraphs arguing about the shape of his moustache - lets use this forum as a mean of communicating- understanding and inspiring more greatness. (going back to the tech bit I noticed the reference to his daughter "sarah" which was one of his great singles -this was an electric - I think 12 string through a chorus pedal - and I have to add one of the greatest love songs i have ever head "with your child like charms I hold you in my arms my sarah etc" ) - I think this disucssion page is turning into some of the George Best ones that were on the BBC web site - serving no purpose but spleen venting - the guy had flaws but did so much good and having grown up in Belfast as a (bad) aspiring musician he lifted me out of the pit I was in so stop scoring points and lets work out why he was so greatEricmakesthree 10:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

1984 or 1979

The chronology of the paragraph beginning "in 1984" and ending "in 1979" is not clear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.35.178 (talk) 01:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

59th greatest

"In 2006, he was named the 59th greatest metal singer by heavy metal magazine Hit Parader."

Is that what they call "damning with faint praise"?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.128.107 (talk) 04:01, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

It sure is! I have removed it. Scolaire (talk) 07:11, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Irish Mail source

The problem with the Irish Mail report is that it's almost certainly untrue. Every other reliable source disagrees with it, including Lynott's mother in her own book. Suggesting that the Irish Mail knows more about Lynott's mother's history than she does herself is ridiculous. Newspapers are not always reliable sources - they do print falsehoods and I suspect this to be one. I think it should be removed. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:04, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

The problem with the latest edit is that it says "multiple sources state..." without citing any source at all. The only citation is thin-lizzy.com, which is a dead link! The Mail interviewed Cecil Parris. How many of your "multiple sources" did that, or are they all relying on Phyllis Lynott's version? Scolaire (talk) 07:57, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Why should he be any more reliable than her? He has a lot more to gain from such a story than she does, and he had a lot more to gain from producing this story while Phil Lynott was alive, but he did not. This Mail story implies that Mrs Lynott disowned her own daughter, which is a hell of a thing to say, just on the basis of a 60 years-late story from a disgruntled ex-partner. Where is this sister of Phil's? Why, aged well into her 50s, has she never surfaced, despite having a famous brother? Why would Mrs Lynott not have had her daughter raised in the same way as Philip? A one-line note from an article that we can't read is unhelpful and misleading.
I did not know the link was dead, I didn't add it in the first place. I will add the multiple sources you want to see. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Link fixed. I found this article in the Daily Express [2], which if it is the same piece as appeared in the Irish Mail, does not interview Parris at all, but his wife. It mentioned two siblings given up for adoption, which is the aspect that no other source seems to mention. It is important to leave that clear. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:35, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I've expanded the whole section, leaving the Parris article in, although I've switched it to the Express source because it's a readable, online source. If the Irish Mail article differs from the Express piece, feel free to re-add the Irish Mail reference. I've clarified the various sources regarding Parris' country of origin - again if you feel that more sources are required, I can add them. It does seem odd that if the guy was from Guyana, that nobody ever mentioned it before. The main anomaly is the extra children - hopefully this is adequately covered now - if you have any further issues, please raise them. I aim to expand the rest of the article with more detail and refs soon. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:44, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
The re-write is fine, and the online reference is better than the other one. Both the articles were a bit ambiguous about the son - they didn't actually say that she had him for Parris - and that's why I left him out the first time. But yeah, well done on the re-write! Scolaire (talk) 08:08, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks :) If there's any other input you'd like to make, please do :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 16:10, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I have been privileged to access much material related to Phil. I have encountered several versions of the story of Phil's father. I do not believe the correct version is out there because I believe it is a family secret and deemed to be of no-one's concern. Phil put out his own version - or someone around him did - and it was a version that suited him. However, as Philomena has pointed out, she did not like that version because it showed her in a light she felt was not favourable to her. Besides, she figured, it was a bit cockamamy, a bit 'A Taste Of Honey'. Phyllis has explained her own version of events and, frankly, it does not sound happy. It was a tough time in her life. But she made good and so did her boy. It wouldn't be the first time a celebrity family has buried a secret or air-brushed some bits of the past. I'm content that she has her reasons and I believe deserves her privacy in this matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.174.141.95 (talk) 15:33, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey, guess what? The whole story was true! So much for the IP who was "very close friends with his daughters and his Mother among other bandmates etc" and knew it was all nonsense. Scolaire (talk) 12:30, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm amazed she's finally spoken out about it. I was a bit dubious about the Irish Mail story, but it was a lot more convincing than the IP... I'm really glad that the article is now balanced with proper input from Mrs Lynott, because as it stood, it looked like an ugly conflict of stories, and the reader was left wondering who was telling the truth (as I was!). Hopefully now this article will settle down a bit. Bretonbanquet (talk) 14:26, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Is there a reason why the external links include one to a fansite which is clearly not in compliance with our normal guidelines for external links? Since the page is locked, I cannot remove it myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.29 (talk) 03:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I suspect the reason was that nobody noticed it. Thanks for bringing it up. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 08:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Billy Corgan connection

In the live cover of "Dancing in the moonlight" by the Smashing Pumpkins, Billy claims to be related to Phil Lynott. Should that be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.76.65.246 (talk) 02:03, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Isn't that said in jest? That's how it sounds to me. But hey, who knows? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.174.141.95 (talk) 15:34, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Billy Corgan also claimed he was Gerard Way's dad. --86.44.103.61 (talk) 16:59, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Poetry

I put something about Phil's poetry books into the intro and it got removed, I have no problem with that but at some point in the article his poetry books should be mentioned, one was called songs for while I'm away I'l have to check for the other one, when I do I'l be putting something back up. Paul. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.157.1.184 (talk) 12:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't get it.

This page is in Wikiproject Belfast as top importance but I don't see anywhere in the article that he was associated with Belfast, only Dublin in the Republic of Ireland. --Τασουλα (Shalom!) (talk) 18:47, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

References go here!

References and sources of information belong here, not in the External links section. Please put possible sources here until they are used up. Then, you can just cross them off this list like this. Thanks, here is one. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 18:33, 11 December 2010 (UTC): Thin Lizzy documentary

Can't believe I'm having to move the External links here once more!!-- here are more. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 17:52, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Collapse and death

I remember reading at the time (in January 1986) that he had collapsed standing in the queue to some kind of charity, a soup kitchen or the like - which seemed an especially dreary end. It could have referred to some point between the collapse at his home and his death at the hospital - the collapse wouldn't coincide with his death - or it may just have been inaccurate reporting. Anyone else remember reading more about his final days? 83.254.151.33 (talk) 13:55, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Archiving

Does anyone object if I ask MiszaBot to start archiving this talk page? It's getting a bit lengthy.

On a totally unrelated note, the Putterford references I've added in could really do with being converted to shortened footnotes as they look nicer. I'll get round to it when I have time, but if anyone else wants to do it, I'm not going to stand in your way! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:49, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Go for it, good idea. A lot of this stuff is old, and some of it was just arguing anyway. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:33, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
Done. All discussions whose last reply was over a month ago will now be archived. The bot runs it sometime between 00:00 and 02:00 UTC. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:22, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Lead

RadicalRedRaccoon (talk · contribs) has removed Lynott's birth and death dates from the lead sentence, twice, which violates WP:MOSBIO ("The opening paragraph should have ... Dates of birth and death, if known") with the rationale "The DOB + DOB are already in the Infobox. No need for duplicate info". In my view, this is erroneous, as infoboxes augment prose, rather than replace it, particularly when doing so breaches a key guideline in the Manual of Style. Discuss. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:51, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

You are right, and the other editor has restored the dates. What's the score with the code that helped with pronouncing Lynott's name? That has currently gone missing. Bretonbanquet (talk) 18:16, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
I think that was taken out at the same time as the dates. What's the general consensus for that sort of thing? I don't mind it being put back. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:09, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
I agree, I think it was handy. The pronunciation is not all that obvious – you do hear "Linnot" quite a bit, so it might be useful to people. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:17, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

instruments & gear section

is sadly short on detail. besides that, as any rickenbacker enthusiast will point out, the instrument lynott is seen with in e.g. this clip is a 4000, not a 4001. so I've fixed it.

(Redacted)

duncanrmi (talk) 17:15, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

@Duncanrmi: Are you sure about that? This page says he used a 4001, and the picture there seems to have two-pick ups on it, which fits the description. (I've had a Fireglo 4003 for about 17 years). But please don't cite copyright violations on YouTube; we can't use them reliably as they may be pulled at any time. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:24, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

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